North Dakota higher education board opposing Fighting Sioux bill

North Dakota's Board of Higher Education has decided to oppose a bill that requires the University of North Dakota to keep its Fighting Sioux nickname. Full Story
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Civitas

Minneapolis, MN

#21 Mar 1, 2011
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You forgot to mention that 98% of UND Alumni polled want the name "Fighting Sioux" to remain. One of the two Sioux tribes has approved of keeping the name "Fighting Sioux", the other Sioux tribe just has not voted yes or no regarding this issue. Only the P.C. Crowd at the UND are still pushing the name change. "F" the NCAA, they don't dis-approve of other colleges with native american mascots! And last but not least you are " **** "uming UND/State will lose the lawsuit. "F" Political Correctness!!!!
I see nothing wrong with keeping the Fighting Sioux nickname. UND wants it, the alumni want it, the students want it, and the native tribes don't seem to have any strong objection. Let UND make its own decision--don't have it forced on them by the Legislature. The issue is who gets to decide. Legislators deciding in a right-wing anti-PC snit that the U may not change its name are acting like a bunch of children.

Yes, I am assuming UND would lose the suit (that thing with "a$$" uming--clever!!! I haven't seen anything that witty since third grade!). The NCAA is a private organization and, rightly or wrongly, gets to dictatae who participates in its activities. Frankly, I think the University has more important things to worry about than sports, but then, I must be one of those elitists who think a university is supposed to educate students.
Friendlyfan

Minneapolis, MN

#22 Mar 1, 2011
Perhaps it is time for the Senators and the Rep from North Dakota to start congressional investigations of the NCAA. A waiver of the name may come to the Fighting Sioux as quickly as it was given to the Seminoles.
Take away the NCAA tax status or charge them with anti-trust and watch them squirm. I am sure the creative people of North Dakota can find something about the NCAA that needs investigating.
Carbon Bigfoot

Barnesville, OH

#23 Mar 1, 2011
Civitas wrote:
What is wrong with letting the University decide what nickname it wants? This bill does not give them the option of choosing what they want their team to be called, they are ordered by the Legislature. You can argue the point all you want, but I thought the important thing was that a school should decide its name for itself. This is its own type of political correctness and it's as stupid as anything a lefty could dream up.
Oh, and don't forget the money that will be spent on a losing lawsuit against the NCAA. Is the name really that important that you want to go down in a pointless crash like that?
Yes, the school should be able to decide for itself what to call their team - without being blackmailed by the NCAA.

I'll rephrase your question from above: Is the NCAA all that important?
Marx Karl Dayton

Saint Paul, MN

#24 Mar 1, 2011
Headdress and tomahawk tax...
good grief

Denver, CO

#25 Mar 2, 2011
Civitas wrote:
What is wrong with letting the University decide what nickname it wants? This bill does not give them the option of choosing what they want their team to be called, they are ordered by the Legislature. You can argue the point all you want, but I thought the important thing was that a school should decide its name for itself. This is its own type of political correctness and it's as stupid as anything a lefty could dream up.
Oh, and don't forget the money that will be spent on a losing lawsuit against the NCAA. Is the name really that important that you want to go down in a pointless crash like that?
The University wasn't given the choice. The NCAA dictated several years ago which way this would go and they had no right in doing that. The NCAA is now telling other schools to basically boycott UND and other schools using these types of nicknames potentially costing them millions of dollars. It's a complete joke. The NCAA needs to shut up and worry about the student athlete, not the alleged political correctness of a university.
Civitas

Minneapolis, MN

#26 Mar 2, 2011
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The University wasn't given the choice. The NCAA dictated several years ago which way this would go and they had no right in doing that. The NCAA is now telling other schools to basically boycott UND and other schools using these types of nicknames potentially costing them millions of dollars. It's a complete joke. The NCAA needs to shut up and worry about the student athlete, not the alleged political correctness of a university.
The University needs to worry about the academics, not the athletics. This issue has taken on way too much importance.
Just a regular Lakota

Pierre, SD

#27 Mar 2, 2011
The term Sioux is the term that generated from the French mispronunciation of the the Ojibwe term for "enemy snakes" and it was meant to be derogatory for the Dakota, Lakota, and Nakota people. Dakota was the original tribe and language. Via splitting up to hunt and camp in the old days two different dialects of the Dakota language developed, Lakota and Nakota. There are three distinct people, but all under the same custom, spirituality, and way of life. Though history and many colonized D/L/Nakota people use the term Sioux to refer to themselves or the people, it is not even a word from the D/L/Nakota language, and thus a huge misnomer.

Any fight put forth by a non-Indian, or more specifically, a non-Lakota/Dakota/Nakota, is absolute garbage. Pre-Columbian numbers of all North American tribes number between 5 and 100 million souls. By 1900 there were only 200,000 Indians of all tribes left in the lands that became the United States. Add the treaty and racial violations, any non-Indian's argument is hollow or farcical at best.

I am saddened by any Lakota, Dakota, or Nakota person who will fight to have a name from a language outside of our own language(s). The mascot is a farcical "noble savage" created by an Ojibwe for the use of non-Indians. Hardly anything for a D/L/Nakota person to sellout their culture.
good grief

Denver, CO

#28 Mar 7, 2011
Civitas wrote:
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The University needs to worry about the academics, not the athletics. This issue has taken on way too much importance.
The University does worry about academics, being one of the top schools in the area let alone the country in fields such as aviation, nursing, law, medicine, and last but not least Native American studies. Athletics are a byproduct of the system, providing income for these institutions and need to be supported accordingly whether you like it or not. So once again, UND's hand was forced by the NCAA when the NCAA had no business doing so.

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