Binghamton Livestock ordinance

Binghamton Livestock ordinance

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Geoff

Windsor, NY

#1 Jul 17, 2012
Apparently Binghamton City Council is reluctant to allow livestock within the city limits.

City Council is forgetting that Mayor Ryan and his cronies like Tarik Abdelazim, Lea Webb, Andy Block and Luke Day spend a lot of time choking the chicken, so its unlikely they would give those up.

Let's keep in mind the Irish have a long history of keeping domestic animals, livestock.in their homes. After a little whiskey those sheep and chicken look pretty good, don't they, Matt!

Given the rise of the rat population since Ryan took office city council might need to address that issue sooon.
Free Ranger

Bath, NY

#2 Aug 5, 2012
Farm animals are a part of our local history. Everyone used to have some livestock and a back yard garden. This is no big deal.
Michael

Horseheads, NY

#3 Aug 5, 2012
Geoff wrote:
spend a lot of time choking the chicken
Another post that provides insight into the though processes of Preston's supporters...

Seriously - are you trying to ruin her chances... or do you truly believe so many folks in Broome County believe such disgusting statements are clever - that you think you're helping her ?!
Hopeful

Bath, NY

#4 Aug 18, 2012
Nothing like fresh eggs in the morning. I hope city council approves the necessary changes.
Michael

Painted Post, NY

#5 Aug 18, 2012
Hopeful wrote:
Nothing like fresh eggs in the morning. I hope city council approves the necessary changes.
While I'm down the road in Elmira i.e. not in Binghamton... we have the same sort of ordinances... and I've actually run afoul ( lol ) of them myself in the past...

It wasn't chickens though... it was an ordinance that was put on the books here and many other places back in the 70's about keeping bees... the fear was that bees would become Africanized and create a total mess of things in towns / cities - so all over NY they passed regs saying you couldn't keep them within town limits...

Fortunately the panic has died down and the powers that be around our state have started to recognize that the cold weather cycle we have up here is more than enough defense... and quite a number of cities are now removing the bans...

I did also have a friend right outside of town that kepts a few chickens / hens... fresh eggs and such when they wanted and was thinking of doing it myself... but again there were restrictions...

My answer to that - to my council members - has been to jokingly tell them that I will be buying several hundred chicks and let them loose in the neighboorhood ( we have a park )... that is - since we couldn't keep them in our yards we would just create a population of "free range" chickens of our own... lol !
Jake

Owego, NY

#6 Aug 18, 2012
Chicken feed isn't chicken feed anymore, it's more like these city slicker's want them for pet's and have fresh egg's at the same time, if that's the case then the price of feeding them would be a pleasure in both way's, the dropping's from the hen's can also be used around veggie's and flower's after it's air dryed, i don't see this to be a problem in the city but there is alway's the NIMBY's.
Bird man of Binghamton

Corning, NY

#7 Aug 20, 2012
I would rather have chickens than those damn Binghamton Unversity students.
Sustainability Matters

Corning, NY

#8 Sep 9, 2012
We need urban farming now. All restrictions against animals and plants must b abolished.
Jake

Apalachin, NY

#9 Sep 10, 2012
Regulation's will have to be put in place to allow chickens roaming around in the backyard's of the city, chickens are very dirty, Hen's carry many type's of diseases that could spread fast into other yard's with chickens and can also affect the health of Human's.
Michael

Painted Post, NY

#10 Sep 10, 2012
Jake wrote:
Regulation's will have to be put in place to allow chickens roaming around in the backyard's of the city, chickens are very dirty, Hen's carry many type's of diseases that could spread fast into other yard's with chickens and can also affect the health of Human's.
I can agree with that and think requiring a coop and well defined area e.g. a fenced in area for the chickens would be reasonable...

For items such as not maintaining e.g. cleaning the coop and similar... I would think that existing regs would probably work... and a quick call to code / threat of being cited would fix things up...
Jake

Apalachin, NY

#11 Sep 10, 2012
What's up with the judging on your comment with common sense and code's being put in place Michael? those people don't have any more brain's then a chicken.
Michael

Painted Post, NY

#12 Sep 10, 2012
What's really weird is that the person marked both of them as "racy"... and all that makes me think is - I hope they don't feel that's it is necessary to share what it is about chickens that gives them "racy" thoughts... lol !

Anyway...

One other reg they would have to put into place would be restrictions on the number of chickens that a person could have... because you know there would be some idiot that would run out and try to turn their entire back yard into giant coop / pen filled to overflowing...

Of course...

The reality is that an average family ( 4 people ) could easily get by with about 6 hens... which would give every person - with moderate egg laying - about an egg every single day of the year... and maybe let it get up to a dozen during the warmer months so they could cull / clean / freeze half the stock or so for meals during the winter months ( when you're stuck paying for / using just feed )...
Wag the Debbie

Montréal, Canada

#13 Sep 10, 2012
Michael wrote:
What's really weird is that the person marked both of them as "racy"... and all that makes me think is - I hope they don't feel that's it is necessary to share what it is about chickens that gives them "racy" thoughts... lol !
Anyway...
One other reg they would have to put into place would be restrictions on the number of chickens that a person could have... because you know there would be some idiot that would run out and try to turn their entire back yard into giant coop / pen filled to overflowing...
Of course...
The reality is that an average family ( 4 people ) could easily get by with about 6 hens... which would give every person - with moderate egg laying - about an egg every single day of the year... and maybe let it get up to a dozen during the warmer months so they could cull / clean / freeze half the stock or so for meals during the winter months ( when you're stuck paying for / using just feed )...
I'm completely naive tot his subject. Is this even cost effective for the typical family?
Michael

Painted Post, NY

#14 Sep 10, 2012
Wag the Debbie wrote:
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I'm completely naive tot his subject. Is this even cost effective for the typical family?
Depends...

So right now you can go to somewhere like Tractor Supply and get a 50 lb bag of feed for about $15... you can get it cheaper at some places but that a decent middle value / cost for that size bag...

Now the next part is that each hen is going to eat on average about a quarter pound a day... so for the half dozen chickens I was talking about... that bag would last you a bit over a month if you are feeding them exclusively from bagged feed... but we will count it as 1 month's worth and the extra feed ( less cost ) figure will be spent on bedding i.e. straw and other odds and ends...

Something else - instead of straw you can use hay... it's actually cheaper these days since a lot of straw is being bought up by the oil companies ( for use in soil retention and such )... and it has the added benefit of being the seed tops of the stalks i.e. the chickens will use it as bedding AND as part of their food source...

With all that in mind a ( low ) estimate would be that you should get an egg from each hen about every day to day and a half... that is - about a 60% chance each day that any given chicken will drop an egg... so that should be something like 9 dozen eggs per month... which considering eggs alone would leave you about $4 in the whole each month at the current prices...

BUT...

If you raise extra - which admittedly will increase the amount of feed etc. needed... you do get the added bonus of being able to slaughter / store those extras... which can bring down the price...

Also if you have a decent size garden... all the droppings can get mulched and used... as long as it's mulched for several months... and you can do that i.e. mulching it - by simply mixing it with old straw bedding, leaves, grass cuttings, or shredded wood from your local landfill if they have that option... then you can say forget it to needed commercial fertizers...

In the end and using those numbers...

You would probably break even or maybe save a few dollars here and there... with the main thing being that you would be getting a bit more of self sufficiency... and you'd know exactly what was going into your food e.g. none of those bloated water injected chicken breasts like so many stores sell these days !

BUT...

Yeah there is another but and this one is a negative... don't forget that they need a coop... and a pen... so you're going to be out the time and money to build those... but if you're inventive - you could probably keep the costs way down... one example being from a friend of mine that built their coop etc. mostly from lumber / slats taken from wood pallets that they got for free from a local business...

I know I know... its a LONG post... just remember though - you did ask !!!

;-)
Wag the Debbie

Tampa, FL

#15 Sep 10, 2012
Michael wrote:
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Depends...
So right now you can go to somewhere like Tractor Supply and get a 50 lb bag of feed for about $15... you can get it cheaper at some places but that a decent middle value / cost for that size bag...
Now the next part is that each hen is going to eat on average about a quarter pound a day... so for the half dozen chickens I was talking about... that bag would last you a bit over a month if you are feeding them exclusively from bagged feed... but we will count it as 1 month's worth and the extra feed ( less cost ) figure will be spent on bedding i.e. straw and other odds and ends...
Something else - instead of straw you can use hay... it's actually cheaper these days since a lot of straw is being bought up by the oil companies ( for use in soil retention and such )... and it has the added benefit of being the seed tops of the stalks i.e. the chickens will use it as bedding AND as part of their food source...
With all that in mind a ( low ) estimate would be that you should get an egg from each hen about every day to day and a half... that is - about a 60% chance each day that any given chicken will drop an egg... so that should be something like 9 dozen eggs per month... which considering eggs alone would leave you about $4 in the whole each month at the current prices...
BUT...
If you raise extra - which admittedly will increase the amount of feed etc. needed... you do get the added bonus of being able to slaughter / store those extras... which can bring down the price...
Also if you have a decent size garden... all the droppings can get mulched and used... as long as it's mulched for several months... and you can do that i.e. mulching it - by simply mixing it with old straw bedding, leaves, grass cuttings, or shredded wood from your local landfill if they have that option... then you can say forget it to needed commercial fertizers...
In the end and using those numbers...
You would probably break even or maybe save a few dollars here and there... with the main thing being that you would be getting a bit more of self sufficiency... and you'd know exactly what was going into your food e.g. none of those bloated water injected chicken breasts like so many stores sell these days !
BUT...
Yeah there is another but and this one is a negative... don't forget that they need a coop... and a pen... so you're going to be out the time and money to build those... but if you're inventive - you could probably keep the costs way down... one example being from a friend of mine that built their coop etc. mostly from lumber / slats taken from wood pallets that they got for free from a local business...
I know I know... its a LONG post... just remember though - you did ask !!!
;-)
Thank you! It is very appreciated. You made a good point about the water injected meats on the market nowadays. I bought 90% lean ground beef from one of the local chain markets the other day and made burgers. Considering how much they shrunk up, I would say 75% it was water weight. I suspect they are adding water (and a little coloring) to the typical 80% lean so that they can call it 90% and charging more for it.
Michael

Painted Post, NY

#16 Sep 11, 2012
Wag the Debbie wrote:
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Thank you! It is very appreciated. You made a good point about the water injected meats on the market nowadays. I bought 90% lean ground beef from one of the local chain markets the other day and made burgers. Considering how much they shrunk up, I would say 75% it was water weight. I suspect they are adding water (and a little coloring) to the typical 80% lean so that they can call it 90% and charging more for it.
I noticed something similar...

It was with a brand of ground beef that the stores sell already packaged in a tug... which I kind of liked because for making quick burgers - I could get it close to freezing and make patties out of it really quickly... but over the years the burgers started getting smaller and smaller as they cooked down even though I always bought the same brand / percentage fat and cut the patties the same thickness...

Like I said though...

The one that really irks me is the chicken because we eat more of that than anything else... boneless chicken breast in particular... and I'm at the point that I almost always buy the bone in ones now... because it looks like they don't do injection with those i.e. probably can't because it would be apparent if the meat were bloated up over / around the bone... and I get the benefit of the bones - being able to drop them in a pot with some veggies and boil them down to make stock that we freeze for later use...
Kerri G

Endicott, NY

#17 Sep 30, 2012
Now he is an expert on farming, who knew? Retarded?
Jack

Vienna, VA

#18 Sep 30, 2012
Kerri G wrote:
Now he is an expert on farming, who knew? Retarded?
I wouldn't call him a poultry expert, and I don't think he would call himself a poultry expert. What he did do was a little research, estimated the resources needed, estmated the cost of said resources and applied some common sense.
Jake

Apalachin, NY

#19 Sep 30, 2012
Jake wrote:
Chicken feed isn't chicken feed anymore, it's more like these city slicker's want them for pet's and have fresh egg's at the same time, if that's the case then the price of feeding them would be a pleasure in both way's, the dropping's from the hen's can also be used around veggie's and flower's after it's air dryed, i don't see this to be a problem in the city but there is alway's the NIMBY's.
I'm going to say it again, and whould also like to add that, if anybody want's to spend the time of cutting off the head's, hanging to drip, gut the inner's, heating a tub with hot water to pluck the feather's then go for it, you get more meat on the bone and better taste, but is it worth your time?
Jake

Apalachin, NY

#20 Sep 30, 2012
Kerri G wrote:
Now he is an expert on farming, who knew? Retarded?
now that you think your living off the land, you also have alot to learn and understand what other's are trying to tell you, you know nothing about utilizing your time and what's feasable.

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