Typical Lupardo Flip-Flop

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#1 Mar 8, 2013
Typical Lupardo….

She was for fracking until she voted against it!!!!

Lupardo Statement On Drilling Moratorium Bill Passing

November 30, 2010

“I did not support the moratorium bill the Assembly passed last night because it is has unintended consequences and does not address the concerns that most New Yorkers have about high-volume hydraulic fracturing. It simply places a moratorium with an arbitrary date of May 15th on top of what is already a defacto moratorium. It also prohibits the DEC from issuing new permits for vertical drilling, which has been used to safely extract natural gas in New York State for decades. This will cost jobs in Upstate New York at a time when we can least afford it.”

In 2013 Lupardo voted for the moratorium, BILL: A05424A DATE: 03/06/2013 MOTION: YEA/NAY: 103/40 , LUPARDO YES.

No comment so far from her.

Can we now accept to lose jobs, Donna?

What changed since 2010?

Nothing except the political climate. If anything fracking is safer now than it was then. Lupardo’s earlier concerns about the moratorium are still valid but this time she ignored them.
Don The Snake Laprado

Windsor, NY

#2 Mar 9, 2013
Apparently NYS can now afford to lose jobs, if we use follow through on Lupardo's line of "logic".
Michael

Elmira, NY

#3 Mar 9, 2013
Lupardo's statement concerning the original moratorium:

"does not address the concerns that most New Yorkers have about high-volume hydraulic fracturing"

So concerns about horizontal fracking and...

"issuing new permits for vertical drilling"

Ok with the old technology which has proven itself i.e. deep well vertical fracking...

This additionally points out something many of us have beens saying... that the concern many folks have is the tech used in horizontal fracking has not been in use long term and has not proven itself safe...

From the new moratorium that Lupardo voted in favor of:

"natural gas extraction in low permeability natural as reservoirs such as the Marcellus and Utica shale formations"

That would again be in reference to the newer horizontal fracking... and the bill in question which can be found here:

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/...

The interesting part being that it does NOT prohibit new deep well horizontal fracking technologies which aren't used on Marcellus Shale and similar...

Thank you OP for helping highlight that, no matter how else you may disagree with her, Lupardo's stance has actually been consistent for the past several years... something one doesn't often see in a politician...

Bravo !!!
Michael

Elmira, NY

#4 Mar 9, 2013
D'oh...

"The interesting part being that it does NOT prohibit new deep well horizontal fracking technologies which aren't used on Marcellus Shale and similar..."

Should read:

The interesting part being that it does NOT prohibit new deep well VERTICAL fracking technologies which aren't used on Marcellus Shale and similar..."

Hazard of watching a movie ( albeit boring ) and posting at the same time... lol !
Jake

Vestal, NY

#5 Mar 9, 2013
I'm not Russian into all this but Irish it would get over with soon. both side need to come together and agree on what bills should be put in place and how regulation are going to be put in place without further delays. The spending of tax payers money.. and pending lawsuits in place is a just... and that's all it is, its just a just.. If frackings not safe.... then the Obama should take a good look at every hole being drilled instead of the little white balls he's trying to put into.
Michael

Elmira, NY

#6 Mar 10, 2013
I kind of hope they do get it over with soon and figure the whole thing out...

It may soon be too...

The thing is that industry has presented some safe frack chemical... including one that - if I'm not mistaken - is actually made from food grade chemicals... along with the ability to do chemical finger printing to track leaks and such in the well casings - which is so far the biggest problem found...

Now all we have to do is get the gas companies to start using that stuff... which they haven't so far except for "goodwill" promos - because it costs more and cuts into their profits...

On the other hand...

If they keep doing it the way they have been... then all we ( NY ) has to do is look at the states that did allow the horizontal fracking... most of them have experienced some problems and created laws, regulations and so forth to deal with them e.g. Penn with something like a half dozen new regs over the past year... and we could look at those and institute the ones that are working for them / the other states in NY...

Yes it puts us behind the curve a bit... but that gas isn't going anywhere... and personally I would rather see us err a bit on the side of caution so we get it right the first time around this time around...
George

Windsor, NY

#7 Mar 10, 2013
27 state are already fracking, the President called for more gas drilling, Lupardo herself said any moratorium would cost NY jobs.

It is all very straightforward but for the liberal media hype
Michael

Elmira, NY

#8 Mar 10, 2013
George wrote:
27 state are already fracking, the President called for more gas drilling, Lupardo herself said any moratorium would cost NY jobs.
It is all very straightforward but for the liberal media hype
It's amazing to watch you post your nonsense and have other users address it... and correct your errors e.g. in this thread it's already been shown that the original post contradicts your assertions as it shows that Lupardo clearly differentiated between vertical wells and horizontal fracking... and her votes have been consistently in favor of the former and for study into the safety of the latter...

It's almost like you're functionally illiterate... and are just cutting and pasting other people's words without even being able to comprehend what is being said...

I'm guessing that's how most of the other users view your posts too...
Jake

Vestal, NY

#9 Mar 10, 2013
John stossel will be on Fox news tonight to talk about fracing at 8PM but looking at my menu guide i dont see it taking place.
Don The Snake Laprado

Windsor, NY

#10 Mar 14, 2013
November 30, 2010
“I did not support the moratorium bill the Assembly passed last night because it is has unintended consequences and does not address the concerns that most New Yorkers have about high-volume hydraulic fracturing. It simply places a moratorium with an arbitrary date of May 15th on top of what is already a defacto moratorium. It also prohibits the DEC from issuing new permits for vertical drilling, which has been used to safely extract natural gas in New York State for decades. This will cost jobs in Upstate New York at a time when we can least afford it.”
-Assemblywoman Donna Lupardo.

Now Lupardo votes for the moratorium knowing it will cost jobs.
Michael

Elmira, NY

#11 Mar 14, 2013
Don The Snake Laprado wrote:
November 30, 2010
“I did not support the moratorium bill the Assembly passed last night because it is has unintended consequences and does not address the concerns that most New Yorkers have about high-volume hydraulic fracturing.
Already covered this multiple times...

Lupardo said she was ok with the vertical wells but concerned about horizontal fracking and so against the first moratorium that didn't properly differentiate and ok with the second one which did...

Again... he same stance held for years - as your first post helped highlight.

Btw...

http://www.wbng.com/news/local/Fracking-Fluid...

Are the loss of clean-up jobs when fracking spills at a rate of 800 gallons a minute what you're worried about losing ?!
Andy Blick

Windsor, NY

#12 Mar 16, 2013
So, if we are to believe your spin, Lupardo is for the type of drilling that won't help her district but against the drilling that will help her district!

Thank you for that clarifcation.


PS You are a liar because the bill does not differentiate between horizontal drilling and vertical drilling. It bans ALL DRILLING:

1 Section 1. There is hereby established a suspension of the issuance of
2 permits for the drilling of a well for natural gas extraction in low
3 permeability natural gas pools such as the Marcellus and Utica shale
4 formations.

Furthermore, the new bill itself states that it is similar to the 2010 bill Lupardo voted against:

Prior Legislative History: This is a new bill, but similar
legislation, A.11443-B - Rules (Sweeney), was vetoed in 2010.

If you can prove otherwise please do.......

As for spills, you can credit Binghamton Mayor Matthew T.Ryan with the biggest spill in local environmental history. Ryan's negligence sent 580,000 gallons of sewage into the Susquehanna River almost instantaneously. Ryan has done more environmental damage in Binghamton alone than fracking will do collectively in two states
Michael

Elmira, NY

#13 Mar 16, 2013
Andy Blick wrote:
PS You are a liar because the bill does not differentiate between horizontal drilling and vertical drilling. It bans ALL DRILLING:
1 Section 1. There is hereby established a suspension of the issuance of 2 permits for the drilling of a well for natural gas extraction in low 3 permeability natural gas pools such as the Marcellus and Utica shale 4 formations.

Furthermore, the new bill itself states that it is similar to the 2010 bill Lupardo voted against:
Prior Legislative History: This is a new bill, but similar
legislation, A.11443-B - Rules (Sweeney), was vetoed in 2010.
If you can prove otherwise please do.......
Once again - since you evidently didn't bother to read my other post - Lupardo's statement concerning the original moratorium:

"does not address the concerns that most New Yorkers have about high-volume hydraulic fracturing"

So concerns about horizontal fracking and wanted to continue...

"issuing new permits for vertical drilling"

Which means ok with the old technology which has proven itself i.e. deep wells and vertical fracking and not wanting that disrupted due to concerns with horizontal fracking...

The new bill - as you so kindly highlighted - is focused on just extracting natural gas in "low permeability natural gas pools such as the Marcellus and Utica shale formations" which requires fracking... horizontal fracking in particular because of the layout of the shale formations... as the older vertical technologies just don't work well with it...

So you can call folks liars all you want... but what you're really accomplishing it to highlight is that you are completely clueless about the different technologies and how and why they are used...

If that was your purpose... then congrats because mission accomplished !!!
As for spills, you can credit Binghamton Mayor Matthew T.Ryan with the biggest spill in local environmental history. Ryan's negligence sent 580,000 gallons of sewage into the Susquehanna River almost instantaneously. Ryan has done more environmental damage in Binghamton alone than fracking will do collectively in two states
I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up in fracking threads - especially when speaking with me - because:

a) I am in agreement and believe Ryan should have told the people that Bucci's phase 3 was a disaster and needed to be shut down, torn down and re-done... instead of hoping for the best once they found out all the issues that were compromising the structures integrity...

b) Are you really comparing as equal a sludge spill... which is bad enough but will naturally biodegrade... to spills of chemical cocktails that would require the removal and quarantine of affected soil ?!

c) There have been 100's upon 100's thousands of fracking fluid leaks / spills / etc. over the past half decade... and that's just in Pennsylvania... not only was there one that dumped a couple 100 thousand gallons just last week... but a review of the PA DEP documents ( link previously posted ) shows that there are hundreds of such albeit small individual leaks / improper storage / etc. documented by them... but to you that's no big deal ?!

Get a life you tool.
Michael

Elmira, NY

#14 Mar 16, 2013
Oh and I forgot the last item in the list...

d) Is your "argument" REALLY that since there was a leak at the sewage treatment plant occurred - that in your mind any / all pollution of any / all types is just A-Okay... because that seems to be what you're saying and that's just nonsensical...
Andy Blick

Windsor, NY

#15 Mar 16, 2013
So, just to be clear, the new moratorium, like the 2010 moratorium, bans all gas drilling in NYS.

So when you said the moratorium did not ban all gas drilling you were not telling the truth.

Furthermore, to be absolutely clear, Lupardo voted for the moratorium this time, even though the bill itself says it is the same bill as in 2010 which she voted against and that in 2010 Lupardo said the moratorium would cost the Southern Tier important jobs..

So, clearly, Lupardo flipped-flopped on the issue and is costing the Southern Tier important jobs, by her own acknowledgement.

PS Did you think nobody was going to look up your link or call your bluff? Please find any place dein th ebill that allows veritcal drillign.....
Michael

Elmira, NY

#16 Mar 16, 2013
I hate to triple post but...

I noticed I left off the word gallons in reference to the "100's upon 100's thousands of [ gallons of ] fracking fluid leaks / spills / etc. over the past half decade...

I mean...

It should be fairly obvious to most folks what I meant since I referenced the recent spill of a couple hundred thousand gallons of fluid last week in the next sentence... but I know that there is at least one person posting here / that I am replying to that has problems with English comprehension...
Michael

Elmira, NY

#17 Mar 16, 2013
Andy Blick wrote:
So, just to be clear, the new moratorium, like the 2010 moratorium, bans all gas drilling in NYS.
NO...

It bans fracking of the shale which it turns out the gas companies have used horizontal fracking on to almost an exclusion.
So when you said the moratorium did not ban all gas drilling you were not telling the truth.
NO...

Vertical wells and old tech are perfectly fine... of course Lupardo's original concern - as noted already and seen and quoted in a number of YOUR posts - was that the moratorium would affect those type of drilling and wells... which over the past several years has been proven NOT to be the situation...

Also please take note of:
Furthermore, to be absolutely clear, Lupardo voted for the moratorium this time, even though the bill itself says it is the same bill as in 2010 which she voted against and that in 2010 Lupardo said the moratorium would cost the Southern Tier important jobs..
They are SIMILAR bills i.e. direct from the text of the new bill:

"SAME AS No same as"

"Prior Legislative History: This is a new bill, but similar legislation, A.11443-B - Rules (Sweeney), was vetoed in 2010."

Here is the difference since you seem incapable of seeing for yourself... in the original bill that Lupardo voted against it stated:

"Gas drilling carries with it risks of accidents, including blow-outs and hazards related to gas seeping from wells."

THAT is where the concern was i.e. again - no differentiation between the different techs in that segment of the bill... it just says "gas drilling"... the new version of the moratorium does NOT have that wording in the justification.
So, clearly, Lupardo flipped-flopped on the issue and is costing the Southern Tier important jobs, by her own acknowledgement.
PS Did you think nobody was going to look up your link or call your bluff? Please find any place dein th ebill that allows veritcal drillign.....
OMG - this is like trying to have a discussion with a developmentally challenged child...

For those interested and having a better grasp of the English language... here is a link to the 2010 moratorium followed by a link to the newer one...

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/...

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/...
Michael

Elmira, NY

#18 Mar 16, 2013
To the person that keeps copying and pasting my replies to the nutcase's posts here onto BCVoice and anywhere else where he is spamming the same thing...

Would you mind letting people know you are doing it / copying my posts on your own... and properly attribute the posts to me...

The problem is that the way you're doing it now... one of the things you are accomplishing is to make it appear that I am insane as he is i.e. that am following him around to other sites like he has followed me around on many occasions...

Thanks in advance !
Jack Carney

Windsor, NY

#20 Mar 16, 2013
So, to be clear, the new moratorium does not allow vertical drilling as you first stated, does it.

Lupardo is for the type of drilling that won't help her district but against the drilling that will help her district!

And, of course, most New Yorkers are NOT against fracking, are they. No, they are not.

And of course, 27 other states are fracking.

And, of course the President of the United States said he wanted to make gas drilling permits EASIER to get not more difficult and he stated natural gas has BENEFITTED the environment:

"We produce more natural gas than ever before and nearly everyone's energy bill is lower because of it. And over the last four years, our emissions of the dangerous carbon pollution that threatens our planet have actually fallen. In the meantime, the natural gas boom has led to cleaner power and greater energy independence. That's why my Administration will keep cutting red tape and speeding up new oil and gas permits."

-President Barak Obama, State of the Union Feb. 10, 2013


Can it be any clearer:


"In the meantime, the natural gas boom has led to cleaner power and greater energy independence. "!!!!

Not my words but those of the Barack Hussein Obama
Michael

Elmira, NY

#21 Mar 16, 2013
Jack Carney wrote:
So, to be clear, the new moratorium does not allow vertical drilling as you first stated, does it.
From the bill itself:

"horizontal drilling and high-volume hydraulic fracturing"

In all seriousness...

I can understand your frustration with posting one thread after another with wild ( or just false ) claims and having other users point out the flaws in your "logic" for years now... but after you have other people do just that - you achieve nothing by reposting the same faulty nonsense over and over again for weeks...

Other than perhaps to make everyone question your sanity.

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