Question about interview questions...

Question about interview questions...

Posted in the Binghamton Forum

Michael

Painted Post, NY

#1 Feb 28, 2013
I was just wondering... is it normal around this area for a company to ask - during a phone screening - about prior income / salary ?

Again...

I am talking about a phone screening... not even at the in person interview part of the process... just getting a call back and a chat about the position... and I am getting hit with these questions... 4 times now out of 5 call backs...

Not only have I never had this happen anywhere else before... it is extremely uncomfortable to be hit with those questionsones... as I end up having to try and tap dance around it telling them I understand we're in the Southern Tier and not on the west coast... and I explain its more important to me that they're a stable company and they're local... but they insist and I give in and tell them and then they get uncomfortable... one even audibly gasped - lol !

So again...

Is this something normal for companies to do in this area now or just the luck of the draw for the ones that I've sent resumes out to / gotten replies from...?
Geoff

Bainbridge, NY

#2 Feb 28, 2013
They might be fishing to see of they can afford you before they "waste" their time on a face to face interview?

It sounds pretty bogus to me.
Michael

Painted Post, NY

#3 Feb 28, 2013
Yeah but...

In my book the proper way to do that would be for them to throw out a salary range for that sort of position in the area... even if they just quote numbers from sites like salary.com / glassdoor / whatever...

THEN if the person starts talking about how much more they were paid in other areas... they'll know it won't work out...

BUT the thing is that if I were their HR person or whatever... I would expect the person applying to have already looked up / be aware of what the salary range is for the position in the area...

On a positive note...

At least it is better than last time I looked for a local position...

I had one that wanted to know what I would do if my manager told me to do something that would be wrong ( bad code / design )... where I was told bringing it up / ask for clarification during the design phase, bringing it up during weekly reviews, bringing it up to the architect, discussing it with anyone was not acceptable... and where the correct answer was evidently - keep your mouth shut...

Btw - I just turned down another opportunity to interview with that particular company because their recruiter couldn't assure me that the manager I spoke with before was no longer working for the company...

Then there was the company that - get this - told me 14 times between 8:30 and 12:00 including 5 times before I even began getting actually interviewed... that I wasn't a "match" for the job... then another 6 times of the same during lunch ( they took me out )...

That one was kind of fun...

What happened was after lunch they gave me a dumb debug problem for some bad code dealing with natural numbers... I figured out where the errors were ( today's development env do 90% of the work - its not hard ) then just scrolled back and forth but didn't fix the error... and told the guy in charge of that I didn't know... then the next one asked if I knew anything about bringing Linux up ( I've actually ported Linux to 3 different architectures ) and I just kept answering no to everything he asked... lol !

That might have been a bit immature but the truth is that by lunchtime - it was pretty clear that there were only a few people there that I would have meshed well with... the unfortunate part being that one of them was their CEO and another one of their lead scientists... so it would have been a miserable situation for me...

Ah well... such is life !:-)
Jake

Apalachin, NY

#4 Mar 1, 2013
Reminds me of that movie. Fun with Dick and Jane.

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Michael

Painted Post, NY

#7 Mar 1, 2013
I think my bunnies have gone cannabalistic... there were 7 of them up there but now...

Oh the horror of it all !!!
Jack

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Mar 1, 2013
Michael wrote:
I was just wondering... is it normal around this area for a company to ask - during a phone screening - about prior income / salary ?
Again...
I am talking about a phone screening... not even at the in person interview part of the process... just getting a call back and a chat about the position... and I am getting hit with these questions... 4 times now out of 5 call backs...
Not only have I never had this happen anywhere else before... it is extremely uncomfortable to be hit with those questionsones... as I end up having to try and tap dance around it telling them I understand we're in the Southern Tier and not on the west coast... and I explain its more important to me that they're a stable company and they're local... but they insist and I give in and tell them and then they get uncomfortable... one even audibly gasped - lol !
So again...
Is this something normal for companies to do in this area now or just the luck of the draw for the ones that I've sent resumes out to / gotten replies from...?
My spouse is currently looking for new employment and has been on a number of phone interviews. She has mentioned that each have asked specific questions regarding her salary history. Where historically, the hiring firm may provide a salary range for the open position, and then enquire if that range is accpetable to teh candidate.

I suspect hiring firms are being more aggressive, seeing that many people may have been out of work for some time,and are desperate and not in a position to walk away from the negotiation table.

“If you're happy & you know it”

Since: Feb 13

clap your hands!

#9 Mar 1, 2013
About your original question. Seems like the employers care more about what they're going to be paying someone than obtaining a quality employee. Sing of the "southern tier/greater Binghamton" mentality. Cheap cheap cheap. Who cares about quality?
Michael

Painted Post, NY

#10 Mar 1, 2013
One thing I just discovered today by searching for older salaries being paid by one of the companies... compared to about 6 years or so ago... their average salaries for the same position(s) seem to be about 20% lower now...

So while I think both of you are right... I have actually solid evidence for LOLz / ShadyBits opinion...

The sad part is though that when asked about desired salary range... I've been giving middle of the road numbers based on the current ( lower ) ones that they're now paying people... which makes me wonder if they're not trying to cut wages aeven further...

Oh well...

It's their companies and their choice... but it would make things much simpler if they just put a salary range down with the job advertisement... at least I think it would save everyone - both them and anyone thinking of applying - some time and aggravation...

The sad part is that if they did that... I actually might still apply... and my decision, if offered a job, would then still be based on the same criteria I use for any job... do I think the projects are interesting... do I think its a decent / stable company... do I like the folks that I would be working with... and so forth...
Geoffy

Pompano Beach, FL

#11 Mar 1, 2013
Jack wrote:
<quoted text>
My spouse is currently looking for new employment and has been on a number of phone interviews. She has mentioned that each have asked specific questions regarding her salary history. Where historically, the hiring firm may provide a salary range for the open position, and then enquire if that range is accpetable to teh candidate.
I suspect hiring firms are being more aggressive, seeing that many people may have been out of work for some time,and are desperate and not in a position to walk away from the negotiation table.
Obama
Michael

Painted Post, NY

#12 Mar 6, 2013
Geoff wrote:
They might be fishing to see of they can afford you before they "waste" their time on a face to face interview?
It sounds pretty bogus to me.
Short version of what was going on - at least at one place...

They are aware of Arzouian's threats to harass / do worse to anyone at any place I worked or consulted at including the fact that he previously said as much and published a list of my clients on a Gannett site...

The same goes for concerns about the area anti-gay hate group since the psychopath that started it did come back from overseas a while back... and despite recommendations from other engineers - I was told it seems HR was looking for a reason not to go any further with any interviewing and the "would probably want too much" gave them a legal excuse...

Btw...

That came from a kid I helped tutor / get him and his team through his ECE final at Cornell... he and his team had ( according to him ) done a "hire this guy" but HR came back to them with the "too much money" nonsense... only to overheard ( yesterday ) the HR folks discussing their concerns about the safety of the other employees if they hired me and the crazies showed up...

Seriously...

It always amazes me... how so many of the folks that shout the loudest about how they think the area is going downhill... are actually the ones helping it / driving the professionals out to other places where they can lead their lives in safety.
Michael

Painted Post, NY

#14 Mar 6, 2013
The real Kerri G wrote:
The pink mafia has spoken,
Yes...

If you mean those that have spent their own time and money to get new businesses - including internationally known companies - into the area w/o benefit to themselves - are the "pink mafia"...

If you mean those that volunteer their time to help / tutor kids trying to get through school and make a better life for themselves - are the "pink marfia"

If you just mean those that give a darn about the area and are trying to make things better - are the "pink mafia"...

Then heck yeah - that "pink mafia" has spoken...

It is sad thought that there are folks such as yourself that don't believe in such things... and would rather spend your time attacking others and doing harm to the area in general...

But as an American - it is your right and something I guess we all will just have to put up with... even if we disagree with you.
Geoff

Bainbridge, NY

#15 Mar 6, 2013
Please don't feed the troll ;-)
Michael

Painted Post, NY

#16 Mar 6, 2013
Geoff wrote:
Please don't feed the troll ;-)
I'll tell ya what...

When you have a psychotic Arzouian... or parts of a recognized hate group... or just randon nutcases joining in... on the local forums spamming it with dozens upon dozens of libelous comments... because of their delusions of conspiracies against them... or your race, nationality, orientation or whatever...

Then we'll talk...

Till them I'm slap the losers around as much as I can... since as my lawyer told me - they're so destitute they're not worth sueing over it.
Geoff

Bainbridge, NY

#17 Mar 6, 2013
Relax Michael. I mean you no harm.
Michael

Painted Post, NY

#18 Mar 6, 2013
Geoff wrote:
Relax Michael. I mean you no harm.
Lol... I know that... at least I hope I know that...:-P

Seriously though...

They are psychos that have been going at it for years now... and while we might slap nutcases like the trolls on this site down... I and the kids and folks I know have been harassed and accosted online for years now... and it does become annoying because the folks doing it to us are the slum dwellers, the plea bargainers ( hey Arzouian - get a high priced lawyer why don't ya cause I've got the documents ), the child molesters and quite simply - the filth of the earth that have been doing it...

Yes... I... and you... and other folks on this and other sites - including those that heck - I could see sitting in a bar over beers arguing our different ideologies with each other... can agree to smack them down and point out the reality of the situation to them...

BUT...

The gotcha is that they're the scum of the earth... and other than the few that have tried to make their point up close and personal and been taught a lesson... the only alternative is to take them to court and sue them for libel and similar...

BUT...

As we all know... they're renters and welfare cases and dependent on family or friend and such... and any dime I take from them - in the very few instances where they have even a dime of their own... isn't worth the time or money...

SO...

If I get a bit "loud" slapping them around for their years of stalking and antagonism... especially since I only do this every half year or so... I kindly ask that ya just bear with me...

Having said all of that... and some of it for the second, third or whatever time...

I am still extremely saddened that there exist local companies that would rather harm themselves in the short term... all to appease a handful of individuals that would instead be doing society a much greater service if they were incarcerated as they should be / should have been...

:-)
LOLz

Netherlands

#19 Mar 6, 2013
Geoff wrote:
Relax Michael. I mean you no harm.
He's a drama queen. He enjoys the attention

“If you're happy & you know it”

Since: Feb 13

clap your hands!

#20 Mar 7, 2013
LOLz wrote:
<quoted text>
He's a drama queen. He enjoys the attention
...says the drama queen who uses my old screen name hoping to get a rise out of me becuase they need attention.
Geoff

Bainbridge, NY

#21 Mar 7, 2013
Ed is so poor he can't afford his own screen name.

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