Casino debate goes national

Casino debate goes national

There are 236 comments on the Evening Sun story from Aug 13, 2010, titled Casino debate goes national. In it, Evening Sun reports that:

The debate over a proposed casino near Gettysburg reached a national audience Friday morning when an official for the nation's largest veterans' organization appeared on the Fox News Channel to speak out against the Mason-Dixon plan.

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Edx

Since: Mar 10

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#1 Aug 14, 2010
It has become tiresome to see non Adams County residents, like David La Torre, issue uneducated statements without comprehending the historic nature of Gettysburg and making pro casino arguments on the basis of money alone.
Why Not

Chambersburg, PA

#2 Aug 14, 2010
Mrs. Paddock better check her numbers Gettysburg has not seen 3 Million visitors at all this year. Tourism is way down and the town needs anything to get folks to come here. Stop being afraid of what you don't understand. Try visiting Penn National and seeing how fine of a business it really is.
Sensical

Carlisle, PA

#3 Aug 14, 2010
Why Not wrote:
Mrs. Paddock better check her numbers Gettysburg has not seen 3 Million visitors at all this year. Tourism is way down and the town needs anything to get folks to come here. Stop being afraid of what you don't understand. Try visiting Penn National and seeing how fine of a business it really is.
This is 100% false! As the owner of a tourism-based business in Gettysburg I assure you that heritage tourism is alive and well! Are the numbers down from 2009? Slightly...but nothing when you consider the world-wide economic crisis that is just now beginning to stabilize. Also, Gettysburg's 5-year patterns for tourism numbers are ridiculously easy to track and predict...the years of the 5 and 10 year battle anniversaries are always huge, with the interim years dropping and then gradually building up again to the next 5 year anniversary. 2010 should be a low year just based on this long standing trend, and is already performing ahead of where it was predicted to be.

I invite you to take a stroll on Baltimore or Steinwehr Avenue any night of the week this summer...the town is busy with happy heritage tourists staying at our hotels, eating at our restaurants, taking one of our many ghost walks or investigations, and finishing the evening with a drink at a pub or an ice cream cone for the kiddies. Folks who want to gamble can take the short ride down I-81 to Charlestown. They do not need or want a casino here, and neither does anyone with a shred of respect for the historic events that took place on this hallowed ground.

DON'T GAMBLE WITH GETTYSBURG!!!!!!!
Fire Marshal Bill

Lancaster, PA

#4 Aug 14, 2010
And to see people who have no vested interest in Adams County telling us how to live our lives. Mason Dixon wants to bring jobs to the county. They want to fix up a failing building and business. And some don't appreciate it.

Yet those same people welcome outsiders telling us how bad this is, and how it will harm us, using only their speculation, and that is acceptable.
Love Gettysburg as it Is

State College, PA

#5 Aug 14, 2010
This article doesn't mention the national Fox News Poll
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/americas-newsro... now 93% OPPOSED to the casino.
The nation doesn't share the views of LeVan and Lashinger that a casino is the right business for this area.
David La Torre

Harrisburg, PA

#6 Aug 14, 2010
According to the National Park Service website, slightly more than 1 million people visited GNMP a year ago, meaning more than 820,000 fewer people visited the park last year than in 2002. That’s a 45 percent drop in eight years.
CasiNO

Carlisle, PA

#7 Aug 14, 2010
It takes the issue of a casino coming to Gettysburg to make me agree with something on Faux News...will wonders never cease!
just me

Brogue, PA

#8 Aug 14, 2010
Suzy,Suzy,Suzy, Did all the locals that know the truth abandon you/ Now you gotta try and get outsiders on your side? GIVE IT UP WOMAN!!!!!
BTW

Hanover, PA

#9 Aug 14, 2010
It is amazing that this group would speak out that a casino with gambling is not appropriate in Gettysburg. Don't they have gambling in their private club - why then is this appropriate and not a casino that will be bring jobs and other benefits to the area as well as be open to all? Just wondering why it is good for one and not the other.
layed back

Carlisle, PA

#10 Aug 14, 2010
Sensical wrote:
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. Folks who want to gamble can take the short ride down I-81 to Charlestown. They do not need or want a casino here, and neither does anyone with a shred of respect for the historic events that took place on this hallowed ground.
DON'T GAMBLE WITH GETTYSBURG!!!!!!!
if you had any "shred of respect for the historic events that took place on this hallowed ground" --- you would move your tourist based business to the outskirts of town. I'm surprised you can sleep at night knowing your making $$$$ off the dead. practice what you preach.

Since: Jul 10

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#11 Aug 14, 2010
Sensical wrote:
<quoted text>
This is 100% false! As the owner of a tourism-based business in Gettysburg I assure you that heritage tourism is alive and well! Are the numbers down from 2009? Slightly...but nothing when you consider the world-wide economic crisis that is just now beginning to stabilize. Also, Gettysburg's 5-year patterns for tourism numbers are ridiculously easy to track and predict...the years of the 5 and 10 year battle anniversaries are always huge, with the interim years dropping and then gradually building up again to the next 5 year anniversary. 2010 should be a low year just based on this long standing trend, and is already performing ahead of where it was predicted to be.
I invite you to take a stroll on Baltimore or Steinwehr Avenue any night of the week this summer...the town is busy with happy heritage tourists staying at our hotels, eating at our restaurants, taking one of our many ghost walks or investigations, and finishing the evening with a drink at a pub or an ice cream cone for the kiddies. Folks who want to gamble can take the short ride down I-81 to Charlestown. They do not need or want a casino here, and neither does anyone with a shred of respect for the historic events that took place on this hallowed ground.
DON'T GAMBLE WITH GETTYSBURG!!!!!!!
I was in three different pubs in the last 7 days. I spoke to bar tenders that have worked here for years. They all said this has been a VERY off year for business in town. Are they experts at Heritage tourism... No. Do they see it every day..... Yes, and they are not happy with what they are seeing.
BTW

Hanover, PA

#12 Aug 14, 2010
layed back wrote:
<quoted text>
if you had any "shred of respect for the historic events that took place on this hallowed ground" --- you would move your tourist based business to the outskirts of town. I'm surprised you can sleep at night knowing your making $$$$ off the dead. practice what you preach.
How true!!! I am sure all the signs and business were not here in 1863 - they are putting this at an already existing building that has struggled for years to make it - I am sure the Mason Dixon group can revive this site into a thriving business with not only the casino but also the convention services and sports complex. And while they are at it can provide year round employment for those who work in the tourist industry - right now a hotel in peak season runs with approx 35 full time employees from mid March to the second week in November after that they go down to a staff of about 10 - take the approx 20 hotels in town and that is 500 people looking for work 4 months out of the year and that is just the hotels - I am sure those 500 people would love a chance at full time employment with benefits.
BTW

Hanover, PA

#13 Aug 14, 2010
David La Torre wrote:
According to the National Park Service website, slightly more than 1 million people visited GNMP a year ago, meaning more than 820,000 fewer people visited the park last year than in 2002. That’s a 45 percent drop in eight years.
It only takes a drive through town to see that these numbers are true. 10 Years ago you could not get through Gettysburg in peak season due to vehicles and foot traffic. Although I worked in the area I avoided downtown at all costs. Imagine my surprise when 4th of July weekend this year I not only went downtown but did not sit in traffic for hours. Why is it down because other than the new vistitor center nothing has changed or improved over the years. Everytime someone wants to do something to bring more tourists to the area people of the area fight it. Take the outlet mall that battle went on for almost 5 years and the fight was it would bring too much traffic and crime to the area - sound familiar?? They even fought the pool at the the hotel located there saying 60,000 gallons of water would put a strain on the water supply - well you only fill a pool completely once unless there is a maintenance issue. So the level of knowledge of people fighting these things are not real factual but rather use their imagined fights to get peoples attention.
Loring

Loysville, PA

#14 Aug 14, 2010
As a member of the Gettysburg VFW and American Legion the support for the casino is overwhelming from the members I have discussed the topic with.
Susan Paddock however seems to prefer the opinions of people that aren't from Gettysburg. She sounds sadly more and more like she is an outsider rather than being one of our neighbors.
OH NO

Newville, PA

#15 Aug 14, 2010
Where is the Gettysburg Legion located. Not even a 1/4 mile from the battlefield and right in the town of Gettysburg. Do they gamble at the legion, every day. Customers spend hundreds and (yearly) thousands of dollars on the punch bowl and beer/liquor. Yep they do. Sounds a little like a mini casino. His Gettysburg Legion, according to Ms Paddock, is disrespecting the soldiers and hallowed ground. I think the man spoke out very prematurely before thinking. He's probably a distance coustin or relative of a NCG'er.
Panama Jack

Gettysburg, PA

#16 Aug 14, 2010
Once again, a "small" radical group of "moral objectors" have "duped" yet another group into believing "they" know what is good for the residents of Adams County. Obviously Commander Hill of the American Legion is not aware of the number of troops who fought at Gettysburg who died with a pair of dice or a deck of cards in their pockets. Would also hope Commander Hill will now move to ban all forms of gambling, jars, wheels, raffles etc. from all posts around the country. Just another example of people outside the area taking a stand on something they know nothing about. Pathetic !

Since: Jul 10

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#17 Aug 14, 2010
Hypocracy at it's best. I feel sorry for the local chapter since they were not consulted. How wrong is that? I am sure the local chapter will be voicing their displeasure.
local

Gettysburg, PA

#18 Aug 14, 2010
We need this Casino and it is a local issue, if you don't live here it is non of your business, we don't go to your town and tell you how to manage your affairs...We locals don't just want this Casino, we NEED it....

Bill Kearney

Since: May 10

Philadelphia, PA

#19 Aug 14, 2010
Fire Marshal Bill wrote:
And to see people who have no vested interest in Adams County telling us how to live our lives. Mason Dixon wants to bring jobs to the county. They want to fix up a failing building and business. And some don't appreciate it.
Yet those same people welcome outsiders telling us how bad this is, and how it will harm us, using only their speculation, and that is acceptable.
Yo Billy the CASINO DOPE/PIMP, how's this for speculation!

Posted on Sat, Aug. 14, 2010

Bensalem sees pattern: Parents in casino, children left in car

By Kristin E. Holmes

Inquirer Staff Writer

Five times this summer, Bensalem police have been called to investigate reports that unattended children were sitting in cars outside the Parx Casino while their parents gambled inside.

Sharon Balek, 35, of Philadelphia, is the latest case, police said.

Balek was charged Thursday with child endangerment for leaving her daughters, 8 and 15, in the parking lot Aug. 1 while she played the slot machines - for six hours.

The teenager - stuck with a nonworking cell phone - flagged down a passerby about 12:30 a.m. and borrowed a phone to call her father.

"We've had calls through the years with kids left in shopping centers, but what's making this hot is that we've had five in just a two-month period," said Fred Harran, public safety director in Bensalem. "The gambling addiction, the glitter of it all - people go in to gamble and forget the kids. I just don't get it."

Balek could not be reached for comment. She was charged after police reviewed her player's card record and footage from casino surveillance cameras.

That night, Balek told police that she lost track of time, Harran said. He called that a "ridiculous" excuse that is routine in such cases.

Two other parents have been charged this summer with leaving their children unattended at Parx, Harran said.

In June, Donald Waige, 59, of Philadelphia, was charged with leaving his 15-month-old son inside his running Nissan Altima while he went inside to gamble, according to police records. Waige was in the casino for over three hours, according to an affidavit.

Waige could not be reached for comment.

In July, police charged the parent of an 11-year-old who remained unattended in a parked car until 1 a.m., Harran said.

In the two remaining cases, no one was charged, Harran said. In one case, a 14-year-old watched over two toddlers for 30 minutes before the parent returned, Harran said. In the other, the family departed before police arrived, he said.

Carrie Nork-Minelli, a Parx spokeswoman, said she could not comment on the specific cases. The casino has a no-tolerance policy for such incidents, she said, and works closely with police when they occur.
whomever

Philadelphia, PA

#20 Aug 14, 2010
BTW wrote:
<quoted text>Why is it (tourism) down because other than the new vistitor center nothing has changed or improved over the years.
Plenty has changed. It's known as the John Latschar effect. Even though that pornster is gone his damage will remain for many years to come. The deer have been all but wiped out, 100s of acres of trees have been ripped out, the hours have been shortened for half the year, far too many roads have been made one-way, and on and on. Nothing has changed? Try again.

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