Casino groups in tiff over e-mail

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The citizens' group that backs plans for an Adams County casino is questioning the methods of an opposition group that's trying to influence state legislators in reforming Pennsylvania gambling laws.

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Jeff Klein

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Dec 21, 2009
 
Not only do we have the email that is mentioned above, we also have a direct copy of Mrs. Paddock's NCG Facebook page that has NCG members coaching Non-Pennsylvania residents to claim Pa state residency. Mrs. Paddock's statement: "I don't think anybody has ever told anybody to do that," Paddock said." in this article is contrary to what was posted on Facebook. She created the Facebook page and doesn't know what is being posted? Don't let this small group influence what Adams County can use. People need quality jobs, a stronger tax base and to see an increase in tourism. This county needs the economic/business boost and this project will provide.

Adams County residents deserve better than this. Don't let "your" local elected officials be persuaded by those that are not even residents of the state or even the country. We know the economy, the crime rates, the traffic, the job losses/gains, the wage rate, the tax rates/hikes...etc. Bottom line, they don't.

Join us, Pro Casino Adams County: pcac.2006@yahoo.com and on Facebook. For a better future.
ex tourist

Philadelphia, PA

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Dec 21, 2009
 

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Spoken like a well trained sheep.
Facts

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Dec 21, 2009
 
I see Tallman has changed his tune. Last week, it was 80 percent of his constituents. Now it's 80 percent of his e-mails. This guy is so in over his head.
NoCasino

Baltimore, MD

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Dec 21, 2009
 
Even if Mr. Klein is from biglerville or bendersville. He should have a right to support No casino in Gettysburg. Gettysburg's battlefields belong to all americans. And americans should protect it.
Biglerville resident

York, PA

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Dec 21, 2009
 
First, I support the casino (am not a gambler). All the posts in the various articles, clearly indicate people what jobs and tax relief. NCG clearly seems to be comprised of mostly people who don't work (retired)because they stated they have spent time going to Harrisburg, PA. I can't I work full time, take care of my children, and my terminally ill parent. If NCG opposes gambling which also has been made clear (which just might help with jobs and tax relief)- here's a thought, why don't NCG put that energy in luring other businesses in the area that would also provide jobs and more tax revenue say Target, Lowe's, Sears, etc. Then maybe more locals would be incline to keep their dollars here in Adams County instead of having to travel to Hanover, Carlisle, or Chambersburg to shop. Why can't NCG because part of the solution?
Biglerville resident

York, PA

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Dec 21, 2009
 
Sorry - I'm typing this at work and I'm rushed. The correct word is become - Why can't NCG BECOME part of the solution?
no casino

Harrisburg, PA

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Dec 21, 2009
 
I'm local, and I do NOT want a casino in Gettysburg. I have let my legislators know as much, and I think they are listening to their constituents. It is you, Jeff Klein and others of like ilk, who do not want to listen to the constituents.
Biglerville resident

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Dec 21, 2009
 
no casino wrote:
I'm local, and I do NOT want a casino in Gettysburg. I have let my legislators know as much, and I think they are listening to their constituents. It is you, Jeff Klein and others of like ilk, who do not want to listen to the constituents.
I repeat - Can't you become part of the solution. If the casino is acceptable to you, then encourage other businesses to come into the area that better suits you.
SnoBrd

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Dec 21, 2009
 
Come on already. And get real If you oppose the casino so what no one will stand out front and drag you in. You can just stay home and sit on your butts and enjoy the benefits the money from this casino will bring to the county. Who cares where the money comes from if it helps in this low economy. I say you go Mr. LeVan and Ms. Paddock get a hobby besides bitching about everything. I am a Adams Co. Resident born and raised.
Hanoverian

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Dec 21, 2009
 
no casino wrote:
I'm local, and I do NOT want a casino in Gettysburg. I have let my legislators know as much, and I think they are listening to their constituents. It is you, Jeff Klein and others of like ilk, who do not want to listen to the constituents.
I'm local, and I DO want a casino in Gettysburg. I have also let my legislators know as much, and I DON'T think they are listening to their constituents. I think you (and our legislators) would be surprised to find the number of people in the area who support the casino is fairly large. If the supporters are not letting their legislators know then it may be a losing battle. But seeing people like Tallman post false information doesn't make it the truth. He was contacted by numerous out-of-town people masquerading as his constituents. He has now even begun to change his story to cover himself (first it was "80% of my constituents oppose the casino" and now it's "80% of the emails I received oppose the casino").

So Tallman, Paddock, and others can post blatantly false information, yet NCG blindly uses it to support their stance?

And the NCG crowd has been calling the PCAC crowd "sheep" ......
Casino Free in Fairfield

Biglerville, PA

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Dec 21, 2009
 
Playing fair Mr. Klein would not be selectively quoting what was on NCG's website which told outsiders to identify themselves as historical tourists. Because tourists themselves were not attached to a local representative they were advised to select one so that their voice could be heard.

The very first time a Gettysburg battlefield tour took place, the tourists mattered and they are what all of us even Mr. LeVan in both his casino and biker rally count on. To assume that their voice should not be heard means that you are excluding their hard earned dollars too!

Your misleading quotes do nothing to speak to the credibility of the pro casino crew and maybe this is why Mr. LeVan & partner are really having so many problems... corruption seems rife.
Pam

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Dec 21, 2009
 
This casino issue is just a perfect example of some people trying to tell everyone what is best for them. They want to dictate how everyone should live their lives, according to them. What ever happened to free will and the freedom to choose what you want to do, as long as it is legal?
Casino Free in Fairfield

Biglerville, PA

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Dec 21, 2009
 
Oh and to the quote about NGC'ers being retired, Ms. Star Paddock does have a job and I commute two hours one way to my employer, so stick to facts and not speculative demographic comments... talk about being out of their league or over their head... yeesh!
Casino Free in Fairfield

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Dec 21, 2009
 
Oh and check teh facts on how helpful casinos are:
10% of the town of Chester, WV laid of from Mountaineer, WV in the span of 1-2 months.
77 people laid off from Wheeling, WV.
And are you daft? The amount of resources we will be forced to aim towards the casino crew will exceed the 1 million that LeVan promised.
People read the facts, study the studies and learn the mistakes of other towns that fell for this flytrap!
NoCasino

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Dec 21, 2009
 
Can anyone answer why they don't call themselves pro casino Gettysburg? Just wondering?
Hanoverian

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Dec 21, 2009
 
NoCasino wrote:
Can anyone answer why they don't call themselves pro casino Gettysburg? Just wondering?
I don't have any inside information, this is just my personal hunch.

Unlike NCG they are not latching onto the "Gettysburg" name. NONE of the 3 LeVan casino rumors/proposals were going to be located in Gettysburg (at least not within Gettysburg Borough or the Town Limits, although 2 of them would have been within the postal boundaries): Crossroads was proposed for Straban Township, the rumored "racino" would have been in the Littlestown area, and this proposal is in Cumberland Township. NCG knew adding the "Gettysburg" name would help invoke people's emotions to support their cause. Maybe PCAC knows this as well and wanted to avoid it, or maybe they are just being more truthful than NCG (since all the proposal would have in fact been located in Adams County).

Again, this is just my personal guess. Maybe Jeff Klein or Tommy Gilbert will answer in this thread to explain their choice of the name.
Casino Free in Fairfield

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They wanted to keep their options open to place a casino racino in any part of Adams County!

Maybe they can put it in Hanover... that would make me quiet happy and apparently Hanoverian too!
Born-n-raised-n- Gburg

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First off, gambling is wrong so I do not support a casino here for this very reason alone. I have two young children and a third on the way, so I want to preserve this simple-living, family-oriented town that I plan to spend the rest of my life in.
Secondly, why in the world would someone put a casino in a town that doesn't even have a Super Walmart, Target, Best Buy, Lowes, and/or Home Depot? This town is obviously not the right size for a casino project. A casino in York, Lancaster, Frederick, or Westminster would make a whole lot more sense than one in a small town like Gettysburg.
Thirdly, Gettysburg is a town that is so serious about preservation that they tore down a perfectly functional monument (The Gettysburg Tower) even though the majority of taxpayers did not want it torn down. How in the world would such a town allow a casino to be built next to Hallowed ground?
Lastly, why don't we put this particular issue to a vote by all of the taxpayers in the Gettysburg area. This would eliminate any wasted time, effort, and money and would get to the bottom of the issue. If there is over 50% support, then so be it. But I can tell you that I don't know of a single family or friend of mine that wants a casino in this town.
We need to start thinking about future generations and the morals and values we are imparting to them. There are exponentially more "cons" than "pros" for a casino that can be devastating both emotionally, economically, and morally. Let's find another way to balance the budget, not by condoning immoral behavior. Our great-grandparents made it work and so can we.
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I find it amusing that so many people are up in arms about the casino. If they feel gambling is so wrong, why are they not at your local 7-11s, Rutters, etc. demanding that they stop selling lottery tickets? Why are they not at fire halls or churches demanding they quit having Bingo night? These too are forms of gambling and are just as addictive to some people as a slot machine is to others. I am for the casino. I love going to casinos, but I am responsible enough to limit what I spend. It is no different if I go and spend $50 at the casino or if I go out to dinner and a movie and spend $50. You spend your money the way you choose to for entertainment and I'll spend my money the way I choose to for entertainment. And get off the battlefield crap. If the battlefield was such hallowed ground, so many people wouldn't be profiting off of it.
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Your point about the lottery is well taken. Society is certainly far from moral as it is, but we don't need to make it worse with another form of gambling that tends to breed crime. I'm all for outlawing the lottery as I haven't bought a lottery ticket in my life and never plan to. You'd be much better off donating the money to a food bank than throwing it away into a wild, selfish lottery.

Bingo gambling at churches, come on I don't know what church you speak of but it obviously isn't a God-fearing church. Bingo without betting money just for fun, that's a different story and is called a "game". We all should know what gambling really is and what it isn't.

And, no one seems to address the fact that the town is not big enough for a casino. The outlets are barely scraping by and my parents retail business of over 35 years is the slowest its ever been. Some days they open up the store and there are absolutely no customers all day long. All aspects of this proposal point to the wrong location, the wrong time, and the wrong population base. It doesn't take a skilled business person (which I am not) to realize that this proposal is completely out-of-line.

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