'Concerned Citizens' question police ...

'Concerned Citizens' question police spending

There are 34 comments on the Evening Sun story from Jul 27, 2010, titled 'Concerned Citizens' question police spending. In it, Evening Sun reports that:

The Concerned Citizens of Cumberland Township raised issue with the number of vehicles leased by the township police department during the board of supervisors meeting Tuesday.

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Edx

Since: Mar 10

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#1 Jul 28, 2010
I'm considering living in my home just four days a week.

That way it'll be worth more when I sell it.

Who on earth is voting for those moronic Cumberland Township officials?
Ace

Newville, PA

#2 Jul 28, 2010
They need those extra vehicles so that they can harrass teens. They nearly yanked my little sister, a passenger, out of her friends car after claiming her friend tossed a carton of cigarettes out their window. Her friend has never smoked. The cops just didn't have grounds to pull them over, so they made something up.
Whoa Bus Driver

Harrisburg, PA

#3 Jul 28, 2010
Nice job by the Chief throwing his counterparts under the bus. Too bad he just couldn't state his case with evidence about his department rather than note what other departments are doing and throwing them under the bus.

So if the other departments do it, then it must be OK - sorry Chief - that doesn't work for us.

Get Levan to buy you guys some cars. Your department seems to do whatever he wants for Bike Week, etc. anyway.
Do you really care

Shippensburg, PA

#4 Jul 28, 2010
And the first time one of the Departments can't respond to assist you or your family members during an emergency...because they didn't have the proper equipment you'll be whining about that! Get a life....or better yet get a job so we can come and tell you how to do it.
Saxon

Loysville, PA

#5 Jul 28, 2010
Isn't this Concerned Citizens group supporting Paddock and her followers?
Rob H

Hanover, PA

#6 Jul 28, 2010
If this is a pretty standard practice there should be some study or documentation illustrating/justifying the value.
its not on the park

Belleville, PA

#7 Jul 28, 2010
Saxon wrote:
Isn't this Concerned Citizens group supporting Paddock and her followers?
Yes, they are.
sunny

Lebanon, PA

#8 Jul 28, 2010
I believe & trust Chief Boehs, that he is doing an excellent job. This is based on people in cumberland twp that I have spoken with & my own observations. Get a Life, find something to do & volunteer your time to a worthy cause. Furthermore, Chief Boehs was talking about vehicle milage & saving the township money in the long run, How the hell does that compare to a house???? Why does most people buy a second vehicle<<to keep milage down so when they sell it the trade is better. Second Levan has nothing to do with Bike Week. It is a committee of people that run it!!! So if your gonna knock the police department get your facts straight. Chief Boehs knows what he's doing let him do his job!!!!!
Nuff Said

Scranton, PA

#9 Jul 28, 2010
It would be nice if the chief had the numbers to prove that it was cheaper in the long run. I wonder if each car is equiped with all the same equipment. Equipment that could be moved from one car to another when one isn't in use. I'm glad there's a citizens group asking questions. I would hope the township officials have the numbers to back up their claims. We need to keep a close eye on these people.
Hmmmmmm

Newville, PA

#10 Jul 28, 2010
The Chief has provided the numbers to the Board of Supervisors AND the Concerned Citizens of Cumberland Township that justify the number of vehicles in their fleet. It just seems that no one is listening! In all actuality, and through factual research by various credible law enforcement organizations (Chiefs of Police Association, Police Magazine, Police Fleet Magazine, Police Chief Magazine, etc), the township would save more money if each officer had a vehicle specifically assigned to them. It has been proven that a vehicle could be left in service for an additional 5 years if each officer were responsible for his own vehicle.
As far as insurance goes, I believe that with a fleet policy, it doesn't matter whether you have 1 vehicle or 25 vehicles, the premiums are the same.
It just seems that the people complaining have nothing better to bitch about!
Let the Chief do his job! That's what he was hired for. It just amazes me that everyone else knows his job better than he does! I don't tell my plumber how he should do his job! He's the pro. Jeez...
My advice would be to get ALL THE FACTS before you start looking for things to whine about.
Fire Marshal Bill

Lancaster, PA

#11 Jul 28, 2010
Hmmmmmm wrote:
The Chief has provided the numbers to the Board of Supervisors AND the Concerned Citizens of Cumberland Township that justify the number of vehicles in their fleet. It just seems that no one is listening! In all actuality, and through factual research by various credible law enforcement organizations (Chiefs of Police Association, Police Magazine, Police Fleet Magazine, Police Chief Magazine, etc), the township would save more money if each officer had a vehicle specifically assigned to them. It has been proven that a vehicle could be left in service for an additional 5 years if each officer were responsible for his own vehicle.
As far as insurance goes, I believe that with a fleet policy, it doesn't matter whether you have 1 vehicle or 25 vehicles, the premiums are the same.
It just seems that the people complaining have nothing better to **** about!
Let the Chief do his job! That's what he was hired for. It just amazes me that everyone else knows his job better than he does! I don't tell my plumber how he should do his job! He's the pro. Jeez...
My advice would be to get ALL THE FACTS before you start looking for things to whine about.
Well said. Now I'm not saying government doesn't need some oversight, but it amazes me as you said how some people want to tell others how to do their job.

You talked about telling the plumber how to do his job. I have a friend who is a plumber and says he enjoys that kind of person. He first tries to explain why he is doing what he is doing. If they still disagree with him he does it their way. He knows fully well that their idea will not work and either he will get called back to correct the problem or maybe someone else.

But if the customer knows better let them pay twice for a job that could have been done correctly the first time.
yea-but

Carlisle, PA

#12 Jul 28, 2010
Fire Marshal Bill wrote:
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Well said. Now I'm not saying government doesn't need some oversight, but it amazes me as you said how some people want to tell others how to do their job.
You talked about telling the plumber how to do his job. I have a friend who is a plumber and says he enjoys that kind of person. He first tries to explain why he is doing what he is doing. If they still disagree with him he does it their way. He knows fully well that their idea will not work and either he will get called back to correct the problem or maybe someone else.
But if the customer knows better let them pay twice for a job that could have been done correctly the first time.
What you are saying is correct but...the idiot telling the plumber what to do is only harming himself not 7,000 citizens and setting a professional police department back so that they are playing catch up. These "Concened Citizens" are few in number and big on complaining. If it is correct that the "Fleet Insurance" covers from 1-25 cars than what is the big deal? If they would sell cars then it would be their oldest and it is probably paid for!
If the CTPD put 15,000 miles on 8 cars that is roughly 1,875 miles per car. If they reduce the fleet to 5 cars it would be 3,000 miles per car...roughly DOUBLE the mileage! That means that a new car would be worn out in HALF the time. Anyone with a brain knows that a new car loses $1000 value when you drive it off the lot because it is now USED.
If the police cars last longer that saves money in the long run. I'm no fleet manager or big wig but this seems simple to me. I do have a college education though so maybe that helps me see the light??
Still local

Gettysburg, PA

#13 Jul 28, 2010
As a Cumberland Township resident and property owner, I am more concerned about the Concerned Citizens than I am about how the township and police department is run. If the Concerned Citizens are so good at running things they should run for office so the rest of us can then tell THEM what they should and should not do.
about time

Brogue, PA

#14 Jul 28, 2010
Lets see you pay 25000 dollars each for 3 extra cars and that makes up for what less they get for them for high mileage? Where did this guy go to school! Wasnt the school of common sense! And he's protecting you? Ah I forgot officer Big Ones can drive 3 cars at once! Just like east berlin, "CHIEF" Grim must be able to drive two cars at once! What nonsense!
What

Hanover, PA

#15 Jul 28, 2010
Police always want more of everything, of course at taxpayers expense. Too many cars for the size department. Just say no.
Twp Resident

Gettysburg, PA

#16 Jul 28, 2010
To everyone who thinks the CTPD gets everything they want and at taxpayer's expense, ask yourself: Do you put on a bullet proof vest and go to work everyday? Do you work holidays, your kids' birthdays, the midnight shifts? Are you required to show up for work even if there is two feet of snow already on the ground and its still snowing? I think its high time we stop critizing our police and fire departments. Everytime a city, boro, twp, or county needs to cut costs, the first thing they look at are the police and fire departments; the same people who put their lives on the line everyday and dont even expect a "thank you". How about looking at cutting some of the bureacrats first. Leave the police depts alone. Until you're the chief and you put your life on the line, assume that maybe, just maybe, he might know what is best for everyone.
Leonardo

Chambersburg, PA

#17 Jul 28, 2010
Who cares? Is Tim Preudente and employee of the Concerned Cumberland Township Citizens? They are a group that has NO CREDIBILITY.

Since: Jan 09

Hanover

#18 Jul 28, 2010
yea-but wrote:
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Anyone with a brain knows that a new car loses $1000 value when you drive it off the lot because it is now USED.
10 or 20 years ago, that figure of $1000 was much more true for the average vehicle. Today, it would have to be a very inexpensive car to only lose $1000 when you drive it off the lot. Some vehicles today lose $5000,$10000, or even $20000 when they leave the dealers lot.

Don't even ask me how I know! It's a sore subject.
new to this game

Gettysburg, PA

#19 Jul 28, 2010
Twp Resident wrote:
To everyone who thinks the CTPD gets everything they want and at taxpayer's expense, ask yourself: Do you put on a bullet proof vest and go to work everyday? Do you work holidays, your kids' birthdays, the midnight shifts? Are you required to show up for work even if there is two feet of snow already on the ground and its still snowing? I think its high time we stop critizing our police and fire departments. Everytime a city, boro, twp, or county needs to cut costs, the first thing they look at are the police and fire departments; the same people who put their lives on the line everyday and dont even expect a "thank you". How about looking at cutting some of the bureacrats first. Leave the police depts alone. Until you're the chief and you put your life on the line, assume that maybe, just maybe, he might know what is best for everyone.
It would be cheaper to just give up the police department and call the state police whom you are already paying for and not getting their services. Oh I can see the posts now==God forbid Cumberland should take the sensible way out. It is not state law that every township have their own police department. So why does Cumberland have their own department? Lets see==someone made that decision about 10 years ago and now they are going to hang on to this bad idea forever. Looks as though the taxpayers in Cumberland just don't care about how much money they spend to keep themselves going backwards instead of forward.

Since: Jan 09

Hanover

#20 Jul 28, 2010
new to this game wrote:
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It would be cheaper to just give up the police department and call the state police whom you are already paying for and not getting their services. Oh I can see the posts now==God forbid Cumberland should take the sensible way out. It is not state law that every township have their own police department. So why does Cumberland have their own department? Lets see==someone made that decision about 10 years ago and now they are going to hang on to this bad idea forever. Looks as though the taxpayers in Cumberland just don't care about how much money they spend to keep themselves going backwards instead of forward.
It was much longer than 10 years ago. I worked on equipment in their police cars more than 20 years ago.

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