CUSD wants pay cut for teachers

[No Place to Hide]

No idea wrote:

You have no idea how it works.
Jo was fired this year. She had tenure.

Then please tell me how it works. Are you a teacher? Please, by all means, teach me.

[82500 answers]

No Place to Hide wrote:

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Have you ever ran a sucessful business? Name one successful business that pays its employees 50% of its gross revenues. Have you ever heard of overhead costs? Operating costs? Payroll taxes? Depreciation? Who is to answer the phones? Who is to run the cafeteria? Who is to drive the busses? Who is to do the accounting? Who is to manage? Seems your little formula is missing a number of crucial variables.

Perhaps you went through Chico schools and were unable to pick the question out of my post:
Where TF does the other $82500 go?
Operating Costs?
NO rent.
Depreciation?
Non-cash. doesn't count.

Multiply $165,000 by 20 classrooms in a 600-student school.
Add it up.
It doesn't add up.
WHERE is the money going???????

[No Idea]

Schools Chief Jack O'Connell Joins Educators in Recognition
of Record Number of Teachers Receiving Layoff Notices March 14, 2009
PASADENA — State Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell today joined educators at a news conference in Pasadena to acknowledge the growing the tally of teachers receiving pink slips or potential layoff notices. More than 26,590 teachers and other school staff have received the pink slips as of March 14, which is one day before the annual March 15 statutory deadline for districts to issue layoff notices for the coming school year.

Districts are handing out the notices of potential layoff to teachers and other staff in response to the state budget crisis. The recently enacted state budget included $11.6 billion in cuts to public education budget over the next 15 months.

"School districts up and down this state are sending out pink slips to tens of thousands of hard-working, dedicated teachers, administrators, and school staff," O'Connell said. "Cuts of this magnitude will have devastating effects in our classrooms across the state."

The recently enacted budget cuts come on top of several years of reduced support in the state budget for public education. Last year, roughly 10,000 teachers received pink slips and an estimated 5,000 ultimately lost their jobs.

"Before the current cuts were enacted, California already ranked 47th in the nation in per-pupil spending," O'Connell said. "These current cuts are sure to push us further down the scale. Our future depends on our ability to prepare the next generation for success in the hyper-competitive global economy. The budget crisis and the teacher layoffs we are now witnessing makes that challenge much, much harder. In order to deliver the quality education our students need we must get off this budget roller coaster and find a stable, long-term solution to education funding. Our future depends on it."

[Mom of Three]

Are the administrators going to take a pay cut, too?

[Hates Teachers]

No Place to Hide wrote:

A simple question for the teachers. For the most part, teacher love their tenure, They will argue tirelessly and aggressively how reasonable, fair and just the system is. Why then don't the same teachers grade their students based on the same ste of parameters? Why aren't students grades based soley on attendanct and years of participation? Why should a third grader who works his/her rear end off in an attempt to excell his/her studies receive an "A" or "Outstanding" grade while a seventh grader who simply shows up, disrupts other classmetes and basically screws around (not completing class requirements) gets a "D"? Both attended class. The seventh grader has been attending class for four more years than the third grader. Isn't the seventh grader, based on the rules of your beloved "tenure" entitled to the higher grade? Why wouldn't this grading system be fair and just? "That's different". Exactly.

Great analogy. It's the old do as I say not as I do. What fabulous role models we have in public education.

[stephens1949]

It is a shame the honorable position of teaching has fallen do to liberal government management, greedy selfish administrators, a weak and confused school board and their own greedy unions. But they have. Even the tenure system had good intentions but has become also rotten as well.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I say it is time to make a turn to the right, ASAP!
I think the same can be said for a great deal of our civil service, governing bodies and public safety organizations. Particularly Fire fighters.

[WOW]

Principal Coruppt wrote:

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Hey MORON tenured teachers get FIRED every year. If you want that grading system the get expelled and go to FAIR VIEW or any alternative school where you get A's for attending.

hey principal m o r o n very few get fired, and once they get tenure, as long as they don't steal, cheat, lie, or molest a boy/girl they are there for life no consequences. tenure has to go along with the bloated salaries. and yes before you b i t c h i think the admin needs to go also.

[WOW]

No Idea wrote:

Schools Chief Jack O'Connell Joins Educators in Recognition
of Record Number of Teachers Receiving Layoff Notices March 14, 2009
PASADENA — State Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell today joined educators at a news conference in Pasadena to acknowledge the growing the tally of teachers receiving pink slips or potential layoff notices. More than 26,590 teachers and other school staff have received the pink slips as of March 14, which is one day before the annual March 15 statutory deadline for districts to issue layoff notices for the coming school year.
Districts are handing out the notices of potential layoff to teachers and other staff in response to the state budget crisis. The recently enacted state budget included $11.6 billion in cuts to public education budget over the next 15 months.
"School districts up and down this state are sending out pink slips to tens of thousands of hard-working, dedicated teachers, administrators, and school staff," O'Connell said. "Cuts of this magnitude will have devastating effects in our classrooms across the state."
The recently enacted budget cuts come on top of several years of reduced support in the state budget for public education. Last year, roughly 10,000 teachers received pink slips and an estimated 5,000 ultimately lost their jobs.
"Before the current cuts were enacted, California already ranked 47th in the nation in per-pupil spending," O'Connell said. "These current cuts are sure to push us further down the scale. Our future depends on our ability to prepare the next generation for success in the hyper-competitive global economy. The budget crisis and the teacher layoffs we are now witnessing makes that challenge much, much harder. In order to deliver the quality education our students need we must get off this budget roller coaster and find a stable, long-term solution to education funding. Our future depends on it."

not once in your Liam excuse of a post does it say anything about tenure, but i don't doubt that tenured teacher could get laid off[ I'm not saying fired ]but when jobs open has the right to come back, fired you can't

[Country-Boy]

In my opinion education in the US started declining in the 70's after the free-love generation started teaching, by the time the 80's hit and all the "GI-Bill" instructor had retired education was in a total free-fall.

I graduated from CSHS in the late 70's and had these wonderful ex-GI teachers my entire life who had lives before they taught and they brought that to the classroom. My 2nd grade teacher carried the flag in the Durham parade every year, a former WAC/WASP and that makes a kid proud. Now I see kids graduate high school at 17-18, go to college, get their degree, and start teaching at 22-23. They haven't lived what they are teaching so they don't know what they missing or why it is important. I have heard college math professors tell their engineering students they will never use a certain method that is the mainstay of Mechanical Engineering.

I went all the way to a BA/BS/MS/Ph.D/Post-Doc and now teach at the one of the most prestigious universities in the US. I teach graduating seniors engineering design. Besides my education I worked for over 10 years in industry. What I see today is a system of pass the buck, pass them along. Students want to learn and they want to be challenged but we think that things are too hard for them so we water it down.

I see professors saying we should do projects that I did as a junior high student and they think it is rigorous enough. I see kids who have A's in high school calculus that end up testing into Algebra on the entrance exam. I see kids who know how to work the system and get professors to change grades for them to maintain their 4.0's. Grade inflation is still a major problem and it starts in the elementary schools. Pride in their work and competition is missing. We treat them all as sheep and filter out the wolves it them.

Why do I have to be the bad guys and tell 22 years old graduating seniors that their math instructors lied to them? Why do I have to flunk students who can't draw a sine wave without a calculator? Why do I have to fix the problems of their education?-- My students are going to design cars and airplanes some day and I don't want to die because some math teacher doesn't think logic or rigor mattered at the high school level.

Some teachers are great but the system is broke and I am getting tired of trying to fix it at my end.

[ted]

my wife is a teacher working full time as well as compleating her masters degree. Teachers pay raises at her school has been frozen to give an administrator a $32,000 raise. Already teachers make very little for thier education. Not to mention all CA teachers are walking on glass because of the governers cuts to education beyond the ammount he stated that education would be allowed to be cut too many teachers are outta work already. It is bad enough that our k-12 education is failing as bad as our health care in comparison to other countries.

[Good Lord]

No Place to Hide wrote:

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Should we disect your above post grammatically?(hint: we shouldn't end sentences with prepositions. However, we all do it when writing informally). Are we working "to" improvement, ar "for" improvement?

Your posts are CHOCK FULL of errors. Even this one, you dope.

[stephens1949]

There seems to be a problem or there are a whole lot of nuts out there! Tenure, excessive retirement benefits, to many extra education classes like sports, dancing and music, top heavy administration, union demands, time out for flu shot propaganda teaching kids to sneeze and wash , fire fighter fear mongering demonstrations , sex classes, drug warning classes taught by the local public safety officer, art classes, theater classes,after school crapola groups,golf classes, field trips, insurance to bus volley ball, track baseball, hockey football. paid travel vacations..... where dose our tax dollars go?

[Good Lord]

stephens1949 wrote:

There seems to be a problem or there are a whole lot of nuts out there! Tenure, excessive retirement benefits, to many extra education classes like sports, dancing and music, top heavy administration, union demands, time out for flu shot propaganda teaching kids to sneeze and wash , fire fighter fear mongering demonstrations , sex classes, drug warning classes taught by the local public safety officer, art classes, theater classes,after school crapola groups,golf classes, field trips, insurance to bus volley ball, track baseball, hockey football. paid travel vacations..... where dose our tax dollars go?

You have the audacity to call out schools for how they spend money nowadays while you submit the above, nonsensical, trainwreck of a post? Clearly, if schools are flawed now, your post illustrates they've been that way for a LONG time.

[stephens1949]

Good Lord wrote:

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You have the audacity to call out schools for how they spend money nowadays while you submit the above, nonsensical, trainwreck of a post? Clearly, if schools are flawed now, your post illustrates they've been that way for a LONG time.

Exactly a very long time, thank you. That is one of the points that proves my case. Truancy laws are a crime against humanity, designed to control and brain wash the entire populaces equally. Passed into law for the making of profit and taxation. Possibly to suppress creativity and development of the human spirit! I am happy, I think I am one who slipped through the cracks.

[Good Lord]

stephens1949 wrote:

<quoted text>Exactly a very long time, thank you. That is one of the points that proves my case. Truancy laws are a crime against humanity, designed to control and brain wash the entire populaces equally. Passed into law for the making of profit and taxation. Possibly to suppress creativity and development of the human spirit! I am happy, I think I am one who slipped through the cracks.

You are nuckin' futs!

[Naols Erus]

PV member wrote:

There is something so disturbing when we realize that the same people who were irresponsible and incompetent managing a budget are the same people who continue to manage it, suggest the cuts, and make the changes. Bob Feaster and Kelly Staley are the Bernie Madoffs of CUSD and should live in the same place as they put Madoff. The board, which is made up of good people, made the mistake of deferring every decision to these people and look where it got us? That same board should step aside and allow some real experts to take over. I don't dislike the board, but I don't want to listen to a single opinion from them anymore. They also tend to point fingers to deflect attention from their own mistakes. Lots of things could be done without touching salaries. The district will make it sound like teachers are greedy and make it into a political struggle. Staley, Feaster, Coombs, and Jones should be immediately fired for incompetence.
Our schools have seen a dramatic decline in enrollment because of district decisions that have adversely affected student, parent, and staff satisfaction. That has led to a mass exedous to several charters. The closing of Nord, Forest Ranch, and J Partridge were mistakes. Nord and Forest Ranch showed us that they could operate in the black and gain students. That was something that our inept district office said was impossible. We have read enough about the dismantling of one junior high that has adversely affected enrollment and morale. We have experienced school boundary decisions that made no sense. We have experienced disaster curriculum changes that are contrary to our mission. Our leaders search desperately for the easy panacea and think that PLC is the next coming of Christ because it's the newest acronym on the bandwagon. Someone sent 150 teachers to Las Vegas to attend a conference on how to talk to each other. It is amazing to all of us how gullible education has become. Parents want simple things. They want quality education in a positive environment.
The board should release the upper management immediately, get rid of the "Bernie Madoffs" of our district, and then resign themselves and ask five new people to come in. I don't need to hear how we have to have experience on the board. The experience they mention has consistently made mistakes. The one board member (Lerner) who is one of the inexperienced has been the most forward thinking but gets voted down by "experienced" board members. Their track record has been abyssmal.
If teachers take a pay cut, no one will remember why it happened. Our district office is directly responsible for the "Fabulous 50" we call it. That stands for the 50 fabulously HORRIBLE decisions of mismanagement that have contributed to this financial disaster. Right now they are trying to protect their reputations and positions, when in reality, they should be dismissed and have others start to manage us out of this mess. God forbid we allow these same people to manage our finances and the education of our schools with the track record they have made. I will invest in "Bernie Madoff" no longer. Nor should our board or community.
They will bury this community with their plea for the teachers to bail them out. I urge this community to ask for their dismissal and someone else to come in who is capable of better performance.

Textbook Sales

[welfare mart]

stephens1949 wrote:

<quoted text>Exactly a very long time, thank you. That is one of the points that proves my case. Truancy laws are a crime against humanity, designed to control and brain wash the entire populaces equally. Passed into law for the making of profit and taxation. Possibly to suppress creativity and development of the human spirit! I am happy, I think I am one who slipped through the cracks.

Hey right on ,education ,commercials , propaganda ,what ever you want to call it are all pointed at the population at large for one reason--control .

[Ca Mon]

welfare mart wrote:

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Hey right on ,education ,commercials , propaganda ,what ever you want to call it are all pointed at the population at large for one reason--control .

The way this whole thread is constructed iI know that district administrators are injecting much of the postings in attempts to deflect criticism. Easy to tell who it is. They are stupid as posts (no pun intended).

[WOW]

Ca Mon wrote:

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The way this whole thread is constructed iI know that district administrators are injecting much of the postings in attempts to deflect criticism. Easy to tell who it is. They are stupid as posts (no pun intended).

if you actually read these post there is no respect for the admin in chico, we all want them gone to, there not the ones complaining about there astronomically high pay the teachers are. there are great teachers in chico, they are just way over paid. we don't want to get rid of the teachers just cut their pay to where it needs to be. that's what these post are about

[Mom of Three]

Have any administrators had pay cuts? Been let go?