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Tornadoes, flooding, snow, no snow - 2010 is likely to stick in the minds of Minnesota climatolog...

There are 58 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Dec 29, 2010, titled Tornadoes, flooding, snow, no snow - 2010 is likely to stick in the minds of Minnesota climatolog.... In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Interior view of the Mall of America Field, Metrodome, ripped and deflated, after Saturday's huge snow storm that hit the Twin Cities, on Sunday morning December 12, 2010.

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Blistream

Maple Grove, MN

#1 Dec 30, 2010
Driving around looking at the ice dams and icicles hanging dangerously from rooftops makes me think the roofing guys are going to be very busy this spring and ICE better be watching those that staff with illlegal workers.
Stabby McStab

Maple Grove, MN

#2 Dec 30, 2010
Let me guess- global warming?
KTF

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Dec 30, 2010
Yes the numbskulls with their junk science would have you believing that it's all do to global warming which we know is a bunch of crap and just another way for the looney left to dig even FURTHER in to your pockets.

The term global warming isn't working any more so now they are calling it "climate change" that way they can just cover every type of seasonal event that Mother Nature throw at us.

IT"S NATURE'S WHIMSIES!! THIS IS HOW THE EARTH WORKS!!

I recycle as much as the next guy so I am all for keeping the planet clean.
Owl Gore

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Dec 30, 2010
Scientist: Climate change to intensify winter weather

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2-wire/...



This weekend’s massive blizzard in the Northeast has fueled the fire of climate skepticism that's pervasive in many parts of the United States. If we’re still getting major winter storms, skeptics say, how can the planet be warming?

E2 Wire put that question to Tom Peterson, chief scientist at the National Atmospheric and Oceanic Administration’s National Climatic Data Center.

Peterson said the latest climate change data indicate increases in global temperature result in more intense weather events, including winter storms.

As the planet warms,“frequency of storms will stay the same, but the intensity will increase,” he said.

“Multiple peer-review papers indicate that strong storms are likely to increase. So the climate change is changing the probability of a strong storm occurring,” he said.

Peterson warned that you cannot determine whether climate change is occurring based on an individual weather event. Instead, scientists study climate trends over the course of thousands of years.

“Weather events are pixels in the climate picture. Some are indicative of changes we are experiencing; some simply reflect the variability of weather and climate. As the world continues to warm, heat waves are an example of the former,” he said, while adding that extreme winter weather events are “examples of the latter.”

Peterson also said it’s important to distinguish between weather and climate.

“Weather is one individual event and how that plays out, and climate is the interconnection of those events,” he said.

But, Peterson concluded,“People will use individual events to justify whatever opinion they have on the matter.”

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There is not one peep about colder winters in the IPCC 4th assessment, in fact they say quite the opposite.

Back in 2000, one of the chief scientists at East Anglia predicted that snow in the UK would become increasingly rare in future years due to global warming. Now they are saying just the opposite.
The bottom line is, whatever the weather does, it will be "climate change" that is at "fault."

As the planet warms, "frequency of storms will stay the same, but the intensity will increase," he said.

I guess that explains why we haven't had a Cat 5 hurricane in at least five years...and why the predictions from these wind wizards are always way too high.
Smartass

Saint Paul, MN

#5 Dec 30, 2010
KTF wrote:
Yes the numbskulls with their junk science would have you believing that it's all do to global warming which we know is a bunch of crap and just another way for the looney left to dig even FURTHER in to your pockets.
The term global warming isn't working any more so now they are calling it "climate change" that way they can just cover every type of seasonal event that Mother Nature throw at us.
IT"S NATURE'S WHIMSIES!! THIS IS HOW THE EARTH WORKS!!
I recycle as much as the next guy so I am all for keeping the planet clean.
When our founding fathers or mothers got the " Free Speech" included as a right, they assumed the nuts would be locked up. Did you break out or have the liberals decided to give you another chance at freedom ?
In five years 2010 weather will be about forgotten due to a lot worse climate change coming and not for the good.

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#6 Dec 30, 2010
Tornadoes, flooding, snow, no snow.. been happening forever. Sometimes more, sometimes less.

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#7 Dec 30, 2010
Smartass wrote:
<quoted text>
When our founding fathers or mothers got the " Free Speech" included as a right, they assumed the nuts would be locked up. Did you break out or have the liberals decided to give you another chance at freedom ?
In five years 2010 weather will be about forgotten due to a lot worse climate change coming and not for the good.
"they assumed the nuts would be locked"

Got a mirror? Sheesh.
El Rushbo Fan

Owatonna, MN

#8 Dec 30, 2010
Climate change is a bunch of bunk. It's much easier to believe that tens of thousands of scientists, who all became scientists to research and learn what TRUTH is in the natural world, have all decided that they'd rather perpetuate an incredible hoax on the masses, so that they could get funding, which results in paychecks for themselves. And the oil companies, and all the economic interests who have enourmous sums of money to lose if climate change is really happening, champions of truth that they are, are courageously trying to expose the vast liberal liberal conspiracy. And who sees through this diabolical plan to rule the world, who are spoonfed the so called "propaganda" from the energy companies and FOX news and take it in hook, line and sinker? The people who call themselves critical thinkers, of course! It all makes perfect sense to me!
George Jones

Ada, MN

#9 Dec 30, 2010
El Rushbo Fan wrote:
Climate change is a bunch of bunk. It's much easier to believe that tens of thousands of scientists, who all became scientists to research and learn what TRUTH is in the natural world, have all decided that they'd rather perpetuate an incredible hoax on the masses, so that they could get funding, which results in paychecks for themselves. And the oil companies, and all the economic interests who have enourmous sums of money to lose if climate change is really happening, champions of truth that they are, are courageously trying to expose the vast liberal liberal conspiracy. And who sees through this diabolical plan to rule the world, who are spoonfed the so called "propaganda" from the energy companies and FOX news and take it in hook, line and sinker? The people who call themselves critical thinkers, of course! It all makes perfect sense to me!
I have a few questions for you since you are obviously a "climate change" fan.

First of all, during the ice age, the ice was over a mile thick in the Red River Valley when the glaciers were present. What caused that ice to melt? What caused such tremedous global warming back then? So, the ice melted forming Lake Agassiz which covered several states and a chunck of Canada, millions of acres. Over time, 4,000 years, Lake Agassiz dried up. Can you imagine the global warming that took? My gosh! What caused that? ND had a tropical climate at one time. Dinosaurs lived there, what caused that and what caused the climate change to kill them off and make ND as cold as it is in the winter? Now, I do not know how old you are so you will have to google Gobal Cooling. In the 70s, that was all the rage, we were told we were headed for another ice age and it was our fault because of the aersol and air conditioniing products we were putting into the air and it was causing a hole in the ozone which would allow all the earths heat to escape. Well, then folks like you changed your tune when that did not happen to global warming and now finally climate change which will cover all your bases so whatever happens is our fault.

In conclusion, like another poster, I recycle all I can since it makes good common sense. I also do as little driving as possible and drive a car that gets 24-28 mpg. I do this to spend less money primarily. I do not throw trash out the window when I am driving and in fact, I volunteer on a ditch cleanup once a year as well as picking up any of the garbage you town folks throw out by my farm as you drive by on the way to your lake cabins. Also, in the fall when people get tired of their cute puppies and kittys and drop them off at my farm so they can have a good home, I humanely dispatch them in an efficient manner so they do not starve or become feral animals. So put that dream to a rest about them "being in the country where they belong anyway".

I look forward to your scientific answers to my questions. By the way, have you seen the latest polls of regular folks on who believes in climate change caused by humans? You might want to check them out.
Danno

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Dec 30, 2010
Smartass wrote:
<quoted text>
When our founding fathers or mothers got the " Free Speech" included as a right, they assumed the nuts would be locked up. Did you break out or have the liberals decided to give you another chance at freedom ?
In five years 2010 weather will be about forgotten due to a lot worse climate change coming and not for the good.
Oh please oh prophet do tell us what the weather IS going to do and tell us what it SHOULD be doing instead.

Since: Dec 10

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#11 Dec 30, 2010
Global Warming has become Climate Change.. why? Somewhere there's a glacier gaining on the thinking.
El Rushbo Fan NOT

Owatonna, MN

#12 Dec 30, 2010
George Jones wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a few questions for you since you are obviously a "climate change" fan.
First of all, during the ice age, the ice was over a mile thick in the Red River Valley when the glaciers were present. What caused that ice to melt? What caused such tremedous global warming back then? So, the ice melted forming Lake Agassiz which covered several states and a chunck of Canada, millions of acres. Over time, 4,000 years, Lake Agassiz dried up. Can you imagine the global warming that took? My gosh! What caused that? ND had a tropical climate at one time. Dinosaurs lived there, what caused that and what caused the climate change to kill them off and make ND as cold as it is in the winter? Now, I do not know how old you are so you will have to google Gobal Cooling. In the 70s, that was all the rage, we were told we were headed for another ice age and it was our fault because of the aersol and air conditioniing products we were putting into the air and it was causing **** in the ozone which would allow all the earths heat to escape. Well, then folks like you changed your tune when that did not happen to global warming and now finally climate change which will cover all your bases so whatever happens is our fault.
In conclusion, like another poster, I recycle all I can since it makes good common sense. I also do as little driving as possible and drive a car that gets 24-28 mpg. I do this to spend less money primarily. I do not throw trash out the window when I am driving and in fact, I volunteer on a ditch cleanup once a year as well as picking up any of the garbage you town folks throw out by my farm as you drive by on the way to your lake cabins. Also, in the fall when people get tired of their cute puppies and kittys and drop them off at my farm so they can have a good home, I humanely dispatch them in an efficient manner so they do not starve or become feral animals. So put that dream to a rest about them "being in the country where they belong anyway".
I look forward to your scientific answers to my questions. By the way, have you seen the latest polls of regular folks on who believes in climate change caused by humans? You might want to check them out.
Think about how many years it took for those changes to occur. Hundreds? Thousands? Certainly not the timeframe we're seeing in the past couple of decades. Since you brought up dinosaurs, that change happened 60 MILLION years ago. And the best theory we have about why that happened was an unusual event that came from outside of our climate system, which I'm sure you've heard of so I won't insult your intelligence by specifying what it was. The climate history you bring up was discovered by science, so how can you believe those changes occurred and ignore what a consensus of scientists are now saying? Yes, it is a consensus, no matter what you've heard from sources who have skin in the game. Global cooling in the 70s? All the rage? Sorry, a 2 page article in a popular news magazine (Newsweek) is NOT a scientific consensus. If you have evidence of reliable SCIENTIFIC sources who claimed the earth was cooling 35 years ago, I'd like to see it. But I know that you don't, because it doesn't exist. And that Newsweek article was NOT about ozone depletion. Ozone has NOTHING to do with greenhouse gases, which cause our atmosphere to warm. Ozone depletion causes more UV radiation from the sun to penetrate our atmosphere, which can't be denied has a harmful effect on life. I'm concerned that you seem to be paraphrasing all the talking points put out there by right wing media, which I would describe as highly inaccurate, to be polite. It's also good that you seem to believe in protecting our environment and wildlife, which you're right, it's good common sense. So why not do the common sense things, whether you believe climate change is real or not?

“REUNITE GONDWANALAND!”

Since: Jun 08

Woodbury

#13 Dec 30, 2010
Klaatu barada nikto wrote:
Global Warming has become Climate Change.. why? Somewhere there's a glacier gaining on the thinking.
Global warming is sometimes referred to as global climate change because the changes in our climate involve more than just warming: increasing frequency and intensity of storms, drought in some areas, flooding in others, tropical diseases spreading into what were once temperate zones, acidification of the oceans (CO2 acidifies water) resulting in massive extinctions of ocean life, more wild fires as a result of drought, as so on.

“REUNITE GONDWANALAND!”

Since: Jun 08

Woodbury

#14 Dec 30, 2010
George Jones wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a few questions for you since you are obviously a "climate change" fan.
First of all, during the ice age, the ice was over a mile thick in the Red River Valley when the glaciers were present. What caused that ice to melt?[truncated to leave room for a response]
I look forward to your scientific answers to my questions. By the way, have you seen the latest polls of regular folks on who believes in climate change caused by humans? You might want to check them out.
The ozone layer is a red herring in a discussion of climate change - the ozone layer protects us from potentially deadly radiation, it is not involved in climate change.
As for the ice age you describe, yes, there are natural cycles that effect climate, notably insolation (solar activity) and the Milankovitch Cycles, variations in how the earth orbits the sun (more elliptically or less so), the tilt of the earth's axis, and wobbling of the earth as it spins on its axis, all of which effect how much solar radiation reaches the earth. During the ice age, insolation was at a minimum and the Milankovitch Cycles reduced the amount of solar radiation reaching the earth - hence, the extreme cooling.
The difference now is that we have low insolation coupled with Milankovitch Cycles which would cause cooling, and yet, despite natural influences which would cause cooling, we actually have warming. The ONLY variable which could be causing that atypical warming is the rapid and dramatic increase in greenhouse gases in our atmosphere in the past few decades.
Here' a good explanation of Milankovitch Cycles:
http://www.homepage.montana.edu/~geol445/hype...

“Ahhhh hee ahw”

Since: Aug 09

Twin Cities

#15 Dec 30, 2010
What all you deniers don't understand is that theres more water in the atmosphere, leading to more extreme weather events and precipitation, and more fresh water. Which is apparently a bad thing.
Seemore

Tempe, AZ

#16 Dec 30, 2010
Darwinian wrote:
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Global warming is sometimes referred to as global climate change because the changes in our climate involve more than just warming: increasing frequency and intensity of storms, drought in some areas, flooding in others, tropical diseases spreading into what were once temperate zones, acidification of the oceans (CO2 acidifies water) resulting in massive extinctions of ocean life, more wild fires as a result of drought, as so on.
Can you point out the periods in the world's history when climate change was not occuring naturally? Or a period in which any of the conditions that you mentioned were not waning or increasing in some measure. Speculations on future conditions are just that, speculation, based on incomplete or manufactured evidence by individuals who pursue hidden goals.

Since: Dec 10

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#17 Dec 30, 2010
Darwinian wrote:
<quoted text>
Global warming is sometimes referred to as global climate change because the changes in our climate involve more than just warming: increasing frequency and intensity of storms, drought in some areas, flooding in others, tropical diseases spreading into what were once temperate zones, acidification of the oceans (CO2 acidifies water) resulting in massive extinctions of ocean life, more wild fires as a result of drought, as so on.
In other words Global Warming couldn't be used in as many circumstances and areas to advance the hoax.. hence Climate Change, thank you.

How many new species of ocean life have been discovered in the last 15 years?

Everything else you've mentioned has happened before, over and over again. Just curious.. do you actually believe none of it has ever happened before?

You might want to read up on water vapor and the part it plays with CO2 too.

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#18 Dec 30, 2010
Global Warming, a Mass Mania by Walter Starck

Throughout history episodic eruptions of mass manias have swept societies. These outbreaks embody the dissatisfaction's, fears and hopes of their times while offering a shining path to a bright new future. They are characterized by a millenarian nature, wherein threat of punishment for past sins is accompanied by promise of salvation through a new faith.

The power of mass manias is reinforced by severe disapproval of any questioning of their certain truth. Any doubt is seen not just as error needing correction but as conscious deliberate evil deserving expulsion or extermination. With adherents permitted only to support the established dogma, these movements tend to gather followers rapidly. But they also soon become afflicted with a growing disconnect from reality which they can neither acknowledge nor adjust for.

As no believer dares express anything other than certainty, social manias tend to persist for some time after their disconnect with reality has become obvious to all. In the face of such recalcitrant reality, leaders are forced to become ever more extreme in their proclamations. This then often leads to a zenith of zealotry and disconnect just before increasingly obvious reality finally forces them to make some small admission of error. The spell is then broken and the faith collapses.

“REUNITE GONDWANALAND!”

Since: Jun 08

Woodbury

#19 Dec 30, 2010
Seemore wrote:
<quoted text>Can you point out the periods in the world's history when climate change was not occuring naturally? Or a period in which any of the conditions that you mentioned were not waning or increasing in some measure. Speculations on future conditions are just that, speculation, based on incomplete or manufactured evidence by individuals who pursue hidden goals.
I can easily point to a period in the world's history when climate change was not occurring naturally - right now.

“REUNITE GONDWANALAND!”

Since: Jun 08

Woodbury

#20 Dec 30, 2010
sock wrote:
What all you deniers don't understand is that theres more water in the atmosphere, leading to more extreme weather events and precipitation, and more fresh water. Which is apparently a bad thing.
There is more water in the atmosphere because of warming - warm air causes more ocean surface evaporation, and warm air holds more moisture. Haven't you ever wondered why the humidity is higher in the summer than in the winter?

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