State set to cut funding for schools

State set to cut funding for schools

There are 20 comments on the Beacon News story from Feb 12, 2010, titled State set to cut funding for schools. In it, Beacon News reports that:

Current negotiations in Springfield could result in 10 percent cuts to the state's school funding foundation level, meaning millions less in state aid to local schools.

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KKML3

Westmont, IL

#1 Feb 14, 2010
This is affecting us NOW, the Oswego school board will be meeting on Feb. 22 7pm at OEHS Auditorium to vote on budget reductions and personnel cuts. go to www.oswego308.org and inform yourself. Oswego school district faces a 5.5 million deficit in school funding. Unfortunately, this is happening statewide but I question why the administration has decided to cut support staff the lower wage higher impact on students personnel? We are top heavy in this district and many Oswego families will face even harder econimic hardships as a result of these layoffs. Currently Dr. O'Donnell wants to keep salaries competative so this attracts and keeps quality staff. This onnly means he's not willing to give up the FREE paid by the district, Health insurance benefits. I ask what administrator is going to leave because they have to pay their fair share like the rest of the employees in the district and I would like to see them leave if they can and find another cush job with these types of jobs elsewhere...there isn't any! Voice the hell out of your concerns on Feb 22nd. The numbers in this layoff stands to greatly impact those who sit in front of your kids daily to help them learn. Scores will go down if you are short a teacher assistant, can an administrator impact a student directly? A resounding NO!
ilene

Angola, IN

#2 Feb 14, 2010
The only way this sort of financial situation will ever change in the long run is to fight the teachers union into accepting what all the rest of us have in the last two years.

That would include cuts in wages, paying for more of your benefits like insurance. Taking less time off for vacations etc.

Oh, and her is something different. How about working five days a week for 52 weeks a year?

Never happen. This is where the savings could be realized.
KKML3

Westmont, IL

#3 Feb 14, 2010
The teachers just renegotiated their contract this year and took a pay freeze along with other concessions. They will also face classroom sizes of up to 30 students without the help of support staff. Taking more from them at this point would be futile.

Administration HAS NO contract yet we have positions for everything that does not directly impact the students. Teachers and teacher assistants play the important role, not the higher up's that will still take home a cush paycheck and receive FREE medical benefits for their families while the rest struggle to pay a mortgage.

Students will feel a direct impact and learning will dramatically decrease as a result of these cuts.

By the way the teachers do pay for their insurance and they do work 5 days a week. I am not sure where you are obtaining your information. I want to make this clear so that when we make this count on Feb 22nd that it is not misguided and heads are in the right direction.
ilmomof4

Mundelein, IL

#4 Feb 14, 2010
i have heard 80 jobs will be cut....is that for next school year?
will these jobs be cut by attrition and not filling open positions?
or are we talking 80 people out of jobs? i'm ashamed to say i haven't kept myself very informed. i volunteer in my children's classrooms on a regular basis, the teachers i have observed are earning every penny. i couldn't do that day in and day out.
maybe if we cut out welfare for illegal aliens our state would have more money to teach our children (citizens). it's so frustrating, i feel like there is nothing we can do. our state is in sad shape.....
KKML3 wrote:
The teachers just renegotiated their contract this year and took a pay freeze along with other concessions. They will also face classroom sizes of up to 30 students without the help of support staff. Taking more from them at this point would be futile.
Administration HAS NO contract yet we have positions for everything that does not directly impact the students. Teachers and teacher assistants play the important role, not the higher up's that will still take home a cush paycheck and receive FREE medical benefits for their families while the rest struggle to pay a mortgage.
Students will feel a direct impact and learning will dramatically decrease as a result of these cuts.
By the way the teachers do pay for their insurance and they do work 5 days a week. I am not sure where you are obtaining your information. I want to make this clear so that when we make this count on Feb 22nd that it is not misguided and heads are in the right direction.
ilene

Angola, IN

#5 Feb 14, 2010
KKML3 wrote:
By the way the teachers do pay for their insurance and they do work 5 days a week. I am not sure where you are obtaining your information.
I don't know where you live but I don't know any teachers in this district who work 5 days a week all year long.
And just like everyone else they pay some portion of their insurance, not all of it.

Wouldn't you like several months off each year while drawing a good paycheck? All at a time when the country is in the midst of the worst recession in 70 years?
KKML3

Westmont, IL

#6 Feb 14, 2010
ilmomof4 wrote:
i have heard 80 jobs will be cut....is that for next school year?
will these jobs be cut by attrition and not filling open positions?
or are we talking 80 people out of jobs? i'm ashamed to say i haven't kept myself very informed. i volunteer in my children's classrooms on a regular basis, the teachers i have observed are earning every penny. i couldn't do that day in and day out.
maybe if we cut out welfare for illegal aliens our state would have more money to teach our children (citizens). it's so frustrating, i feel like there is nothing we can do. our state is in sad shape.....
<quoted text>
These are positions that will NOT be filled and the shortage will be felt in all the schools in the district. With you being an involved supportive parent in the schools, your testament to the jobs that support staff provide for the students is valuable.

Unfortunately, we cannot build Rome (fix legislation) in a day but we can address specific issues that are directly affecting us now in our own community.

That is why I ask that all who care be present to address directly to the school board and administration how they need to look specifically at other avenues INSTEAD of laying off, and it's more than 80 support staff personnel (approx 90). This can be done by reaching into their own pockets cutting things like central registration, 3+ more construction managers that were hired when all these schools were being built and renovated that are not happening now, excessive management positions. TRIM THE FAT!!!!

I ask that people join in acting instead of venting, words mean nothing unless it leads to a constructive impact for the betterment of our schools and children.
KKML3

Westmont, IL

#7 Feb 14, 2010
ilene wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know where you live but I don't know any teachers in this district who work 5 days a week all year long.
And just like everyone else they pay some portion of their insurance, not all of it.
Wouldn't you like several months off each year while drawing a good paycheck? All at a time when the country is in the midst of the worst recession in 70 years?
With all due respect, I have seen the type of man hours these teachers put in during the school year above and beyone, some if not most, prepare for classes as early as a month before they even see a student set foot inside their classrooms. They do this without being required to do so because they care about how they affect students learning progress in the classroom.

If what you are proposing is to lesson pay and make them pay full benefits, then they stand to make more at McDonald's down the street. I am curious to know why you feel the teachers need to make concessions who without would have severe consequences in the classroom as opposed to trimming the fat (higher ups). Besides this issues is dead...teachers contracts are defined and without a LONG process to reopen their contracts the school board would have taken away a huge chunk of support personnel.

Please think of who is really being affected directly students and the staff that sit across from them daily.

Thank you
fed up too

United States

#8 Feb 14, 2010
perhaps we should place the blame on those who are responsible for this shortfall of money.... the school board is guilty..... all they do is spend spend spend........
KKML3

Westmont, IL

#9 Feb 14, 2010
fed up too wrote:
perhaps we should place the blame on those who are responsible for this shortfall of money.... the school board is guilty..... all they do is spend spend spend........
Thanks fed up too, I was looking forward to hearing your view (no sarcasm intended). If you take a look on the oswego308 district website the budget reduction proposals are made for public viewing. The school board will see reductions in approx.$476,000 from what I call foo-foo perks, boo-hoo. All the cell phones, car expenses, food and travel expenses that are paid out boggles my mind and they have the audacity to look people in the eyes before they vote to cut jobs that affect Oswego children and families. I am sick about it. Below is directly from the proposed budget reductions posted on the district website;

Operation Reductions ($476,000)
 Reduce budget allotments for the Office of the
Superintendent, Board of Education, school
buildings (10%), transportation, and Hands on
Science department.$315,000
 Reduce meeting costs $100,000
 Reduce postage/printing expenses $61,000

Thanks for commenting...and listening to my rant. KKML3
KKML3

Westmont, IL

#10 Feb 15, 2010
Deadline to mention anything regarding the reduction of 80 support staff personel mostly made up of teacher assistants in the Ledger comment section is today at 5pm!!!!! Please make a difference, the school board and administration will see your views. Thank you!
Oswego Resident

Sugar Grove, IL

#11 Feb 16, 2010
What I don't understand is why would they want to build a third High School in Oswego if they can't afford to keep the employees they have now. I see each year my daughters class size keeps growing and growing. I think the teachers have done an excellent job and deserve to keep their pay and get raises. They are the ones teaching our children. They don't get the appreciation they deserve

Please don't cut jobs. Let's cut some programs that don't bring in any money but take money out. Some of the clubs in the high schools... Cut the pay for the Head Honchos.
KKML3

Westmont, IL

#12 Feb 16, 2010
Oswego Resident wrote:
What I don't understand is why would they want to build a third High School in Oswego if they can't afford to keep the employees they have now. I see each year my daughters class size keeps growing and growing. I think the teachers have done an excellent job and deserve to keep their pay and get raises. They are the ones teaching our children. They don't get the appreciation they deserve
Please don't cut jobs. Let's cut some programs that don't bring in any money but take money out. Some of the clubs in the high schools... Cut the pay for the Head Honchos.
I like your thinking...unfortunately the higher ups aren't willing to dig deep enough into their own pockets to keep our children's education a priority.

Imagine a classroom with numbers close to the thirty students and of those students; say some have learning disabilities, add some behavioral issues, possible a severe allergy as well. Can this teacher who previously relied on a teaching assistant to pull out students for maximum one on one learning, to make various trips to the copier on short notice, to handle behavioral issues when necessary and to assist students with physical well being can now be expected to do all of this without the support provided by a teacher assistant? How is this possible to achieve with an overcrowded classroom and efficiently meet the level of expectations on state ISATS? Scores will drop without question.

Most schools in the district that averaged 8-9 teaching assistants will now face having approx 4 per building. This shortage is going to be felt heavily on students, teachers and remaining staff that have to cover for loss of staff.

Please come on Monday night (Feb 22) and ask the board to reconsider the reduction of 80 support staff for the sake of our children.
fed up too

United States

#13 Feb 17, 2010
I am still under the thinking that the buildings are JUST buildings......Why do all the new schools have to look like they are trying to get on the front cover of a magazine......all the money they the board have pissed away on the "looks" of these buildings should have been put inside the schools..... with the arrogance of this board I am sure they are building these schools as a tribute to them........
Truth Hurts

Batavia, IL

#14 Mar 8, 2010
ilene wrote:
The only way this sort of financial situation will ever change in the long run is to fight the teachers union into accepting what all the rest of us have in the last two years.
That would include cuts in wages, paying for more of your benefits like insurance. Taking less time off for vacations etc.
Oh, and her is something different. How about working five days a week for 52 weeks a year?
Never happen. This is where the savings could be realized.
Another subjugate little slave in America.

Way to drop your pants and ask for more punishment for all, Sugar Grove! Good job being a sycophantic groveler.

Look at the market.

Look at the record corporate bonuses.

Look at the country who is scummy enough to destroy food while it's own children starve (all the food is to artificially bouy prices for the stock holders too!)

So you say, not: Let's take our country back from the elite who stole it from us" NO, you and most of our weak, spineless countrymen merely say: "Spread the pain around, blame, blame, blame!"

The problem is cowardly materialistic Americans who sat watching American Idol while thier country was sold out from under them.

The problem IS NOT teachers getting paid like real professionals.

HOW COME YOU WEAKLINGS NEVER SAY THAT FAT WHITE GUYS PUSHING NUMBERS AROUND SPREADSHEETS MAKE TOO MUCH?

I MEAN, REALLY!

HOW MANY FAT USELESS WHITE GUYS PUSHING STATS AROUND SPREADSHEETS DO WE NEED?...AND WHY DO YOU SPINELESS F@#$S LET THOSE VERY MEN RUN YOU?
Truth Hurts

Batavia, IL

#15 Mar 8, 2010
KKML3 wrote:
<quoted text>
With all due respect, I have seen the type of man hours these teachers put in during the school year above and beyone, some if not most, prepare for classes as early as a month before they even see a student set foot inside their classrooms. They do this without being required to do so because they care about how they affect students learning progress in the classroom.
If what you are proposing is to lesson pay and make them pay full benefits, then they stand to make more at McDonald's down the street. I am curious to know why you feel the teachers need to make concessions who without would have severe consequences in the classroom as opposed to trimming the fat (higher ups). Besides this issues is dead...teachers contracts are defined and without a LONG process to reopen their contracts the school board would have taken away a huge chunk of support personnel.
Please think of who is really being affected directly students and the staff that sit across from them daily.
Thank you
SWEEEET!

Someone with perspective about what is really going on, instead of merely reactionary ignorance!

GJ
Truth Hurts

Batavia, IL

#16 Mar 8, 2010
Problem is, KKML3, you forget the true nature of Americans these days.

They would rather see fellow countrymen hurt than say the top is too fat.

Fellow countrymen matter less than appearing "too left".

After all, idiolgy is more important than lives or children, right? Right righties?
ilene

Angola, IN

#18 Mar 17, 2010
You want to check out why your taxes are so high?
Check out the gold plated pensions that teachers get.
It is dramatic.Go to www.NTUI.org and look at hot topics and then click on Illinois top 100 Pension Payouts.
This is incredible. Why the hell are these pensions so out of line with the rest of us.
Please straighten this mess out before you dare to ask for higher taxes.
Check it out. Educate yourself on the teacher pension plan before you defend them without exception.
UNBELEIVABLE.
By retiring at age 55 with a salary of $100,000.00 per year the average Chicago suburban high school teacher will receive more than $3,000,000.00 in pension income plus free top of the line health care benefits.
Do you still wonder if teachers are not properly compensated.
Please, this is ridiculous.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Check out the web site yourself.

WWW.NTUI.org
kenny

Angola, IN

#19 Mar 18, 2010
ilene wrote:
You want to check out why your taxes are so high?
Check out the gold plated pensions that teachers get.
It is dramatic.Go to www.NTUI.org and look at hot topics and then click on Illinois top 100 Pension Payouts.
This is incredible. Why the hell are these pensions so out of line with the rest of us.
Please straighten this mess out before you dare to ask for higher taxes.
Check it out. Educate yourself on the teacher pension plan before you defend them without exception.
UNBELEIVABLE.
By retiring at age 55 with a salary of $100,000.00 per year the average Chicago suburban high school teacher will receive more than $3,000,000.00 in pension income plus free top of the line health care benefits.
Do you still wonder if teachers are not properly compensated.
Please, this is ridiculous.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Check out the web site yourself.
WWW.NTUI.org
You have got to be kidding. These pensions are $100,000.00 plus to nearly $400,000.00 yearly.

What the hell did these teachers do to deserve pensions of hundreds of thousands of dollars yearly? Plus free health insurance too??

WOW!!!!!
Mickey

Angola, IN

#20 Mar 22, 2010
ilene wrote:
You want to check out why your taxes are so high?
Check out the gold plated pensions that teachers get.
It is dramatic.Go to www.NTUI.org and look at hot topics and then click on Illinois top 100 Pension Payouts.
This is incredible. Why the hell are these pensions so out of line with the rest of us.
Please straighten this mess out before you dare to ask for higher taxes.
Check it out. Educate yourself on the teacher pension plan before you defend them without exception.
UNBELEIVABLE.
By retiring at age 55 with a salary of $100,000.00 per year the average Chicago suburban high school teacher will receive more than $3,000,000.00 in pension income plus free top of the line health care benefits.
Do you still wonder if teachers are not properly compensated.
Please, this is ridiculous.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Check out the web site yourself.
WWW.NTUI.org
VERY INTERESTING.
AND VERY OUT OF LINE PENSIONS.
POOR TEACHERS???
NOT THESE TEACHERS>
Calvin

Angola, IN

#22 Mar 31, 2010
kenny wrote:
<quoted text>
You have got to be kidding. These pensions are $100,000.00 plus to nearly $400,000.00 yearly.
What the hell did these teachers do to deserve pensions of hundreds of thousands of dollars yearly? Plus free health insurance too??
WOW!!!!!
You have got to be kidding?
This is a joke right?

Teachers pensions are outrageous.

What the hell is going on.

This is not right.

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