Child drowns in Muskegon River in Big...

Child drowns in Muskegon River in Big Rapids

There are 16 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from May 19, 2008, titled Child drowns in Muskegon River in Big Rapids. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

Police say a 2 1/2-year-old boy drowned in the Muskegon River while visiting a park with his grandfather.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan.

Tracy

Grand Rapids, MI

#2 May 20, 2008
This is very sad, and could have been prevented. How a child this little was able to get that far is beyond me. My son is 11 and he is never out of my sight.( except school) Yes accidents happen, but come on this was just iresponsible!!
rynoman

Appleton, WI

#3 May 20, 2008
Inept Parents wrote:
"If nothing else, all of these parents need to watch out for each others' kids. If there would have been somebody else there who would have been watching they could have helped save him."
This is my favorite comment....I am not responsible for my own kids, everyone else is responsible to watch my own kids. No wonder she did not have custody.
If the grandparents would have been...oh, I don't know...WATCHING THE KID LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN instead of goin' through a pack of unfiltered Camels then this would not have happened.
They are all incometent and should have their reproductive organs removed to help strengthen the gene pool.
These people you so cold-heartedly criticise are my friends. I doubt you know what a friend is. My first thoughts upon reading your post were those of anger. But your words belie any spark of intellect on your part. You are to be pitied. If "strengthening the gene pool" leaves us only with people like you, God have mercy on us all.
rynoman

Appleton, WI

#4 May 20, 2008
Tracy wrote:
This is very sad, and could have been prevented. How a child this little was able to get that far is beyond me. My son is 11 and he is never out of my sight.( except school) Yes accidents happen, but come on this was just iresponsible!!
How easy it is to sit in judgement born of ignorance. Do you know the Porters? Were you there when this tragedy occured? Do you have some special insight into what happened other than what you have been given in a 60 second news report? Have you any idea at all what you are talking about? Do you really believe your comments are helpful? If one day you are unfortunate enough to have tragedy visit your door, my sincere hope is that people will show you the love, kindness and mercy that you - and others like you - have refused to extend to the Porters.
Sherrie

United States

#5 May 25, 2008
Do you have some special insight into what happened other than what you have been given in a 60 second news report?
Actually I do. It called OPEN YOU EYES AND KEEP THEM ON THE CHILD AT ALL TIME. You say we are un kind and judemental What about this poor child that is gone now. Who is speaking out for him. Its not about you, its the hard cold fact that this could have been prevented IF the grandfather was watching him. I have a 2 yr old grandbaby and I NEVER take my eyes off him when we are out. THAT IS COMMON SENSE!!! Yes this is a horrible thing to happen BUT common sen se could have saved him. As far as the gene pool goes maybe it would make us more intellegent and SAVE our specises.
Sherrie

United States

#6 May 25, 2008
Inept Parents wrote:
"If nothing else, all of these parents need to watch out for each others' kids. If there would have been somebody else there who would have been watching they could have helped save him."
This is my favorite comment....I am not responsible for my own kids, everyone else is responsible to watch my own kids. No wonder she did not have custody.
If the grandparents would have been...oh, I don't know...WATCHING THE KID LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN instead of goin' through a pack of unfiltered Camels then this would not have happened.
They are all incometent and should have their reproductive organs removed to help strengthen the gene pool.
I totally agree with you. I have an adorable 2yr old grandson and boy did this hit home. YOU NEVER TAKE YOUR EYES OFF A CHILD AT ANY AGE ESPECIALLY A 2 YR OLD BABY. Im sorry the fault run in NOT watching him and allowing to run off. This indeed breaks my heart. And from what I have read it was a while before they even relized he was gone. EXCUSE ME!! WHY THE HELL WAS HE NOT WATCHING HIM. It makes me want to slap him!!! This should be investigated for neglect!!!!! WHY didn't the mother have custody also???
GB JTP-neighbor

Big Rapids, MI

#7 May 28, 2008
You people really need to grow up and stop being so damn judgemental. It was an accident. Why do you people think you need to continue to give this father grief over the loss of his childre. THis was simply an accident. Let me tell you something I have two children 6 and 9 years old both of my children were 2 1/2 years old at one time. And they have escaped me as well. It doesnt matter how much or how little you watch your children accidents happen and children wander off no matter who is watching them. You can sit there and say you are experienced , but there is no such thing as experienced and accidents happen and you people are so freaking judgemental it makes me sick to my stomach. i dont even wish this stuff apon you and neither would tim and susan. And as for the mother not having custody is not your business. She insured that her children would have a great life with their grandparents. As for what happend you people werent even there. And if you were then you would know what happend. ughh.. i cant even begin to express my feelings .. you people are so freaking childish. you need to grow up and stop being so judgemental and jumping the gun about what happend and what did happen.
PROUD NEIGHBOR OF TIM AND SUSAN PORTER!!
rynoman

Oshkosh, WI

#8 May 30, 2008
GB JTP-neighbor wrote:
You people really need to grow up and stop being so damn judgemental. It was an accident. Why do you people think you need to continue to give this father grief over the loss of his childre. THis was simply an accident. Let me tell you something I have two children 6 and 9 years old both of my children were 2 1/2 years old at one time. And they have escaped me as well. It doesnt matter how much or how little you watch your children accidents happen and children wander off no matter who is watching them. You can sit there and say you are experienced , but there is no such thing as experienced and accidents happen and you people are so freaking judgemental it makes me sick to my stomach. i dont even wish this stuff apon you and neither would tim and susan. And as for the mother not having custody is not your business. She insured that her children would have a great life with their grandparents. As for what happend you people werent even there. And if you were then you would know what happend. ughh.. i cant even begin to express my feelings .. you people are so freaking childish. you need to grow up and stop being so judgemental and jumping the gun about what happend and what did happen.
PROUD NEIGHBOR OF TIM AND SUSAN PORTER!!
Thank you for your posting GB, and for trying to bring some sanity to this tragedy. I don't know what gets into people like those in the above posts. Maybe they feel that critcizing Tim and stating what great parents/grandparents they are to their own children and how they could never see how any of this could happen makes them feel better about themselves? Who knows. And nothing you or I say will ever change their minds or their hearts. As I said in an earlier posting, these people are to be pitied.

My wife and I have been friends with Tim and Sue through church for several years now. Anybody who knows them could never write such hateful, thoughtless, garbage as the previous respondents have done. But, all too often, ignorance rules the day.

I, too, am proud to have friends like Tim and Susan. God bless them and help them as they work through this sad time.

rynoman
Escanaba, MI
rynoman

Oshkosh, WI

#9 May 30, 2008
Sherrie wrote:
Do you have some special insight into what happened other than what you have been given in a 60 second news report?
Actually I do. It called OPEN YOU EYES AND KEEP THEM ON THE CHILD AT ALL TIME. You say we are un kind and judemental What about this poor child that is gone now. Who is speaking out for him. Its not about you, its the hard cold fact that this could have been prevented IF the grandfather was watching him. I have a 2 yr old grandbaby and I NEVER take my eyes off him when we are out. THAT IS COMMON SENSE!!! Yes this is a horrible thing to happen BUT common sen se could have saved him. As far as the gene pool goes maybe it would make us more intellegent and SAVE our specises.
Regardless of any efforts, I doubt your particular segment of the gene pool would see much intellectual improvement. Sad to say, but I believe you have peaked. Or does that statement go against your "common sen se" of your "specises"? Maybe it was too "judemental"? Please...
rynoman

Oshkosh, WI

#10 May 30, 2008
Sherrie wrote:
<quoted text>
I totally agree with you. I have an adorable 2yr old grandson and boy did this hit home. YOU NEVER TAKE YOUR EYES OFF A CHILD AT ANY AGE ESPECIALLY A 2 YR OLD BABY. Im sorry the fault run in NOT watching him and allowing to run off. This indeed breaks my heart. And from what I have read it was a while before they even relized he was gone. EXCUSE ME!! WHY THE HELL WAS HE NOT WATCHING HIM. It makes me want to slap him!!! This should be investigated for neglect!!!!! WHY didn't the mother have custody also???
Well, that last question proves your ignorance of the entire situation.

And your statement..."Im sorry the fault run in NOT watching him and allowing to run off."...would you put that in modern English so I - and other readers - have some idea what it is you are trying to say?

I'm not really trying to be mean here, but your vitriolic crap tends to raise my B.P. That, and I do not suffer fools well at all.
just me

United States

#11 Jun 2, 2008
wow it is crazy how so many people cast judgment without looking at the circumstances, i too know the Porters and i am so sorry that this has happened to them. Jacob was a doll and will be deeply missed.. His grandpa feels bad about what happened but we all know that Jacob doesn't blame him and either should other people. For the people that truly know the Porters know that they LOVED Jacob and in no way neglected him, he was well cared for and loved on a daily basis and he was given a wonderful life, we all know that his birth mother couldn't take care of him NOT the way that Tim and Susan did, there is no way!!! He lived a wonderful 2 1/2 years... accidents happen and unfortunately this is a tragic one.. Tim has worked on the Muskegon Water Safety Project since 2006 and believe me when i say he cared about safety, he did everything in his power to find Jacob but for those that KNOW Tim, know that with one leg running for help is out of the question but he sure the hell tried... again for those of you that don't know the Porters just pray for them don't judge them!
Rhonda

AOL

#12 Jun 5, 2008
Let me tell all the "naysayers" this. MAYBE, this child was autistic! It would probably have taken them another year or so to know that for sure, but if he was, then he could have been a "runner".

My grandson is, and let me tell you, he can be long gone in a blink of an eye! I ALWAYS have to have some extra eyes with us, when we are outside. Because he is so fast and moves so quickly!

For the naysayers information. I am in GEORGIA and I don't even know these people either!

God Bless this family!
Internet Troll

Holland, MI

#13 Jun 6, 2008
Sherrie wrote:
<quoted text>
I totally agree with you. I have an adorable 2yr old grandson and boy did this hit home. YOU NEVER TAKE YOUR EYES OFF A CHILD AT ANY AGE ESPECIALLY A 2 YR OLD BABY. Im sorry the fault run in NOT watching him and allowing to run off. This indeed breaks my heart. And from what I have read it was a while before they even relized he was gone. EXCUSE ME!! WHY THE HELL WAS HE NOT WATCHING HIM. It makes me want to slap him!!! This should be investigated for neglect!!!!! WHY didn't the mother have custody also???
Anyone that claims they watch a 2 year old and NEVER let them out of their sight is either lying or too stupid to realize that it only takes seconds for a kid to wander and accidents happen. Too stupid to realize that several times every day, their 2 year old could get away from them if they set their mind to it....and their only attachment to the truth is that this kind of tragedy has never happened to them.*whatever*

When I read the story I felt sad for the family. This grandfather was doing what great grandfathers do. Spending time with their grandson at the park while judgmental jerks sit their kids in front of the one eyed babysitter and claim to be raising their kids.

Accidents happen. It's an unfortunate part of life.

Unless you have some background knowledge of the situation and can claim you witnessed negligence, you are just being an @hole.
BR Resident

Bensenville, IL

#14 Jul 31, 2008
It doesn't really matter who is to blame or not blame is it? A baby is gone and a family is devistated. We need to keep the Porters in our prayers. Accidents happen. Do you not think that this will forever change this family? Maybe this can wake us up to go out and help our neighbors? But no we are too quick to judge and critize. Ever been to Walmart and see a mom with a little one screaming at the top of their lungs? What do you do? Give her a dirty look and wonder why she can't shut that kid up? I know it happens, it's happened to me! What about just offering a hand to that mom, or simply giving her the "hey I've been there too" statement. Trust me, she doesn't want that baby crying either. In no way did Tim leave his house that day and think or even wish that Jacob would not have been coming home with him that night. IT WAS A TERRIBLE TERRIBLE ACCIDENT!! SHOW SOME COMPASSION!!!

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#15 Jul 31, 2008
BR Resident wrote:
It doesn't really matter who is to blame or not blame is it? A baby is gone and a family is devistated. We need to keep the Porters in our prayers. Accidents happen. Do you not think that this will forever change this family? Maybe this can wake us up to go out and help our neighbors? But no we are too quick to judge and critize. Ever been to Walmart and see a mom with a little one screaming at the top of their lungs? What do you do? Give her a dirty look and wonder why she can't shut that kid up? I know it happens, it's happened to me! What about just offering a hand to that mom, or simply giving her the "hey I've been there too" statement. Trust me, she doesn't want that baby crying either. In no way did Tim leave his house that day and think or even wish that Jacob would not have been coming home with him that night. IT WAS A TERRIBLE TERRIBLE ACCIDENT!! SHOW SOME COMPASSION!!!
Right on target, BR. There is no way any of the adults involved in this tragedy did anything dumb or on purpose to hurt that child. Looks to me like they all loved him very much.

The childs mother said she wished everyone helped look after kids- I agree with her. I often find myself keeping an eye on the neighbor kids as well as my own and I certainly appreciate then keeping an eye on mine. It only takes a second for a playing child (anybodys) to dash into the street or run into deep water, imagine how good you'd feel if you saved a child? Any child?

Let's all have a little more compassion for this family.
Ca-ching

San Rafael, CA

#16 Aug 26, 2008
Sherrie wrote:
Do you have some special insight into what happened other than what you have been given in a 60 second news report?
I have a 2 yr old grandbaby and I NEVER take my eyes off him when we are out. THAT IS COMMON SENSE!!! Yes this is a horrible thing to happen BUT common sen se could have saved him. As far as the gene pool goes maybe it would make us more intellegent and SAVE our specises.
Don't be so harsh... I knew a perfectly responsible person whose grandchild ran behind her car and she backed into him.
mbc

Byron Center, MI

#17 Aug 26, 2008
Its called an ACCIDENT for a reason.
If it happened to any one of you judgemental people youd be crying "it was an ACCIDENT"

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