Museum's racist objects meant to stir meaningful exchange

Feb 23, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Detroit Free Press

Museum's racist objects meant to stir meaningful exchange Comments Daniel Hampton of Detroit looks at Jim Crow artifacts at the Wright museum.

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Paul R

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It was a different time in our country then. Some things are better today than they were then and some things are not. For those who took advantage of the opportunities the "Great Society" programs created for them things are better from both a class perspective as well as a race perspective. For those who did not, there appears to be value in continuing to look at the "sins of the past" so one can place blame on others for their lack of progress. This is more of a class issue than it is a race issue today. This period in America started to fade away almost 45 years ago. We need to let it go.
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Spoken as a true ignoramus fossil of out time.
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Paul R wrote:
It was a different time in our country then. Some things are better today than they were then and some things are not. For those who took advantage of the opportunities the "Great Society" programs created for them things are better from both a class perspective as well as a race perspective. For those who did not, there appears to be value in continuing to look at the "sins of the past" so one can place blame on others for their lack of progress. This is more of a class issue than it is a race issue today. This period in America started to fade away almost 45 years ago. We need to let it go.
You are clearly delusional. These are historical artifacts. They don't "fade away" any more than a colonial flag or Hitler's uniform. People have strong opinions about history, but nobody is holding a gun to your head to go to the museum for this exhibit. You are welcome to your own opinions. You are not welcome to your own facts.
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Dave wrote:
Spoken as a true ignoramus fossil of out time.
You dont know what you are talking about. People look into the past to explain their failures of today. The great society didnt work, nothing works but constant handouts doesnt it? We have a society of blame placing people who do little to help themselves. We have affirmative action and yet little changes, we give grants nothing changes, we turn over entire cities and throw cash at them and nothing changes, then they go bankrupt. It really does alot of good to look at Jim Crow artifacts and blame whity for your plight. You are an idiot and you will continue to live like a pauper because you've learned nothing.
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Tony wrote:
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You are clearly delusional. These are historical artifacts. They don't "fade away" any more than a colonial flag or Hitler's uniform. People have strong opinions about history, but nobody is holding a gun to your head to go to the museum for this exhibit. You are welcome to your own opinions. You are not welcome to your own facts.
They are historical artifacts better left unattended like the dead sea scrolls. Everyone who went to a real school or a church knows what they are and what they represent yet few people actually feel compelled to go see them live. People need to get over the past and make something of themselves regardless of where they come from and most people who look at that crap are looking for excuses to explain away part of their lives. That is a BS way to live and it holds people back.
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One could equate this in a way to the holocaust museum. All rational people know the holocaust took place, no one forgets yet Jewish people for the most part have not dwelled on that part of their history nor have they become fixated and immobile over that with their lives. There is little to discuss except as a way to educate other about what happened - not what continues to happen.
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Sol wrote:
One could equate this in a way to the holocaust museum. All rational people know the holocaust took place, no one forgets yet Jewish people for the most part have not dwelled on that part of their history nor have they become fixated and immobile over that with their lives. There is little to discuss except as a way to educate other about what happened - not what continues to happen.
I don't believe black racism can be equated to the holocaust. You may do that, but it doesn't mean blacks have to or should. There are an abundance of holocaust memorials around to. Indians have museums and receive huge tax incentives. They run the casinos for example. My neighbor is an American Indian and was diagnosed with acid reflux at U of M hospital. He was not improving and went to the Indian hospital at Sault Sainte Marie where they found a tumor in his stomach. Treatment was all free to him. The black situation is different and people have a right to their history regardless of your desire to repeal it or sweep it under the rug of time. For that matter, the racism exists right here and now. I could say I don't have a dog in this fight because I'm not black, but we are all in this boat together.
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I don't believe black racism can be equated to the holocaust. You may do that, but it doesn't mean blacks have to or should. There are an abundance of holocaust memorials around to. Indians have museums and receive huge tax incentives. They run the casinos for example. My neighbor is an American Indian and was diagnosed with acid reflux at U of M hospital. He was not improving and went to the Indian hospital at Sault Sainte Marie where they found a tumor in his stomach. Treatment was all free to him. The black situation is different and people have a right to their history regardless of your desire to repeal it or sweep it under the rug of time. For that matter, the racism exists right here and now. I could say I don't have a dog in this fight because I'm not black, but we are all in this boat together.
You are right the black situation is different - it isnt nearly as bad as the plight of the Indians in their own country or what the Jews faced in WW2 or continue to face every day in the middle east. I dont see your point - I dont care whether black people compare their persecution to that of American Indians or the Jewish people, they need to move beyond it. As far as racism is concerned, it goes both ways and continuing to have discussions over what happened in Grandpa's generation serves little purpose other than continued estrangement between us.
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<quoted text> You are right the black situation is different - it isnt nearly as bad as the plight of the Indians in their own country or what the Jews faced in WW2 or continue to face every day in the middle east. I dont see your point - I dont care whether black people compare their persecution to that of American Indians or the Jewish people, they need to move beyond it. As far as racism is concerned, it goes both ways and continuing to have discussions over what happened in Grandpa's generation serves little purpose other than continued estrangement between us.
When it's the Jews, I don't pay much attention. When it's the Indians, I don't care much. I'm not black either so it's easy to say "move on." The reality is that racism exists right here in River City. Of course a lot of blacks like to jump on the victim train for a ride, maybe too many in fact. I will not be held hostage to some 400 year old legacy guilt complex. However, simple observation shows that racism is still too common. Perhaps strangely enough, I believe that if racism were instantly eliminated, blacks would be under-performers for the foreseeable future for other reasons. I try not to confuse the two issues and don't feel threatened when there is a museum showing physical objects of historical content. I don't plan on visiting the museum either. I lived during some of these things and I don't feel safe going there anyway.
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Tony wrote:
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When it's the Jews, I don't pay much attention. When it's the Indians, I don't care much. I'm not black either so it's easy to say "move on." The reality is that racism exists right here in River City. Of course a lot of blacks like to jump on the victim train for a ride, maybe too many in fact. I will not be held hostage to some 400 year old legacy guilt complex. However, simple observation shows that racism is still too common. Perhaps strangely enough, I believe that if racism were instantly eliminated, blacks would be under-performers for the foreseeable future for other reasons. I try not to confuse the two issues and don't feel threatened when there is a museum showing physical objects of historical content. I don't plan on visiting the museum either. I lived during some of these things and I don't feel safe going there anyway.
Peace out!
same to you - good debate.

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