#61 Dec 12, 2008
Lived there. Moved here? We? Ridiculous!! Build the track. Most people want the track. WAKE UP!!
#62 Dec 16, 2008
I don't want it, my wife does not want it, my neighbors do not want it!! SURVEY SAYS: Maybe St. Clownd wants it.
#63 Dec 19, 2008
Hardly a joking matter.:(
#64 Dec 27, 2008
* property values already suck. if they go down. property taxes go down. If they go up, property taxes rise. Yet, if you don't plan on moving, does it matter?
* Oh, and 30 years ago you may have moved here for peace and quiet, but don't pretend we're rural. Your argument is ignorant and dumb to say that with the volume of traffic we currently have that we are a peaceful and quiet place to live
* Noise is an issue, so instead of fighting the entire complex. Lets all work to figure out the most effective noise reducing system. there are some that they have around current racetracks and airports that can make the noise almost non existent. Or, fight to have them soundproof your home.
* Traffic is a big concern 14, 25, and the local streets won't currently handle 100,000 people, however, there's no way in hell a new racetrack is going to get 100,000 people to a race. WHY? because Nascar needs a track to prove itself before it comes out and at best, Arca or ASA would be the biggest series to come through.
So, how do we pay for traffic fixes...well, if we DO have the 100,000 people in the city for 1 weekend and a greatly reduced number of people for the rest of the weekends. that's not only a HUGE piece of property that would be owing taxes but TONS of people to give money to the city via taxes of their own. This tax money would go to things like schools, law enforcement, transportation, etc.
* Real Life is not monopoly. If you say you want to develop a property, you don't just put money down and have a racetrack, 10 hotels, 30 restaurants, 30 bars, etc the next day. These things take time, but it would be constant rapid growth allowing for people to work at new jobs, and ultimately it would help our people. Our residents are hurting right now and we need jobs.
* To all you other residents of other towns. Don't pretend that Big Lake would be the only city to benefit from this track. You could possibly be set to benefit even more via not having to have any added expense in law enforcement, transportation, etc. but being able to get the people through your suffering towns. God knows Becker could use some kind of help. I'm pretty sure that town is nothin but a furniture store and some misc. gas stations/grocery.
* To the guy who said something about lights being irritating. Get better blinds, I'm fairly certain that's a singular issue not one for the masses.
* Also, the track is being built on 400 acres. It's not wiping the whole town out and taking it over. So, to the guy who said the refuge was in trouble and was going to be destroyed 20 miles away. Shut up.
* Irrational arguments are not going to have a place. There are a few people that will live right next to this thing. It is going to happen everywhere ya go. So, sound less ignorant and fight to get things such as a property tax abatement or compensation for your inconvenience rather than having to make up fantastic stories about how big lake is a one horse town that's suddenly overnight going to turn into Minneapolis/St. Paul...
To those of you rational people who can see big picture. Feel free to print this and use it to help your case...
#65 Dec 30, 2008
qwitchurbeachin I am sure glad you are so smart to speak for all us stupid folks. I now understand your opinion must be correct because you sound like one of those rational folks.
#66 Jan 6, 2009
Why would you consider yourself and others stupid? Then "now understand" opinion must be correct? This is serious you twit.
#67 Jan 16, 2009
Fight to have your home soundproofed??? Are you an imbecile?? I don't want my house soundproofed. I live on the river exactly 1.4 miles from the proposed site, and I am at a higher elevation than where the track will be, those of us on the opposite bank will get all the noise. I moved out to this area so I can keep my windows open all summer if I want, not to get my house soundproofed.
Since you're soooooo smart, maybe you can explain how Otsego will benefit from the track in Big Lake. Because Otsego residents are definitely going to get the noise, oh yea I forgot, our home values will go up, BS!!. When people have to pass through Monticello, is Big Lake going to provide the law enforcement or money for the required law enforcement??
I'm tired of people using the "it will bring money to the community" reasoning. Last time I checked Big Lake wasn't on the brink of Bankruptcy. It's a good thing someone is stepping up to save Big Lake from becoming a ghost town.
Try and justify it all you want. There are many many people will fight to the end!!
#68 Jan 19, 2009
I've lived in Big Lake since 1992. Over the years I've seen Corn feilds turn into developments and businesses flurish then turn to the worst. Have you read the local paper lately, there are over five to six pages of Public Notices of Forclosures. We have seen some great resturants and business go out of business. Like: Victory, Lakeside Drive In, The Legion, and Peterson's Amaco. Now If I remember right, Our Public school district is at a budget deficet and had to cut programs such as junior high sports, Arts, and many other things. With in the past year Fleet Farm approached the Big Lake City Council and wanted to build here in Big Lake. But they turned it down. So now monticello is going to get a Fleet Farm. My point is: If we don't get this race track to put Big Lake back on the map, the city is going to slowly die. I guess We're getting bypassed by HWY 10 anyways so what difference does it make. I'm all for the race track. As far as the noise, yes it might get a little noisey at times. But as you drive to the cities on 94 you see the big walls or sound barriers to block the road noise. Why can't we build those???? To all of you eviromentalist who are worried about the migratory birds and the wild life refuge... GET REAL!!!! a canadian goose or a swan isn't going to be effected by a race track and a drag strip... they will fly over it just like they do to your house development every year. And for the noise late at night and early to the morning... May I remind you of our CITY NOISE ORDINACE???? Plus... look at the Pricteton, MN and Montevideo, MN Race track, they have a noise ordinence saying that if they start a race any later than 10:00 PM they get a hefty fine.
As Far as what you other people wrote... hey NORTHSIDER.... YOU"RE A DUCHE BAG for even thinking that your value wouldn't go up... How often do you get to be in walking distance to a race track that has the potential to host a nascar event. Bringing millions of dollars to the community and communities around us... which in time will lower our proptery taxes which mean you won't have to pay as much and you can move and live with all the other tree hugger duche bags in an eco freindly community while the rest of the world is going to welcome the racetrack with open arms and let it happen!!!!
For all you people who have a problem with this Race Track.... Well... Trust your elected officals about making the right choice. I'm for it!!!! I say Bring on Nascar and the farmer's tan in the stands!!!!
Oh and another thing, This is going to be Privately funded, so we won't end up paying for it like we did for the new twins stadium and the U of M and the Metrodome back in the day... so quit complaining about that too!!!!!
have a great day... I know I will and I will also be waiting for RACE DAY!!!!
#69 Jan 19, 2009
oh and i forgot one thing.... This North Star Commuter Rail will help out the traffic and other crap you people are complaining about. I mean... We're spending millions to build it... might as well us it!!!!
#70 Jan 20, 2009
I like little Big Lake and I like it without the race track. If you think this isn't going to cost tax payers, you are ill informed. So, call me a "douche bag". I think you could use a thesaurus.
#71 Jan 21, 2009
ok.. yeah... mr. i'm from california... the amount of money that the local government is going to spend is going to be a little fraction of what they are going to make on sales tax and property taxes.... and let alone businesses.... and for one or two races a year... in the summer... ok so if you don't like it... plan your family vacation around that weekend... dumb ass
#72 Jan 22, 2009
The race track is a great thing that Big Lake needs. This will help lower taxes and will help out the schools.
#73 Jan 26, 2009
#74 Apr 8, 2009
I am pretty close to some of this information about the track.
I have followed its and other track developements for many years.
As in many cases the developer cannot or will not invest time and energy in an area that opposes such a development, for whatever reason.
I have attached information on Pre- construction for this project.
As well as the economic impact of other facilities from an article you can find on the web. NASCAR Economic Impact 2009.
The last article I have attached is from Last weeks West sherburne tribune, about No Jobs in the area, there are other articles on foreclosure.
I think that the community, the county and state should get behind this,
I really doubt if the New city council member who got himself elected to eliminate the race track can come up with an idea that would benefit the community as a whole as much as this would.
If he can, I for one would like him to bring forward.
I also remember the developer stating that they would not spend time and money on area that does not see the benefit.
Maybe the new council member can help make the house payments, pay our taxes, educate our children and or we can all go work for him.
I guess it is time to hear his big plan to save the town.
Make sure you email him to get his latest offerings, he has rquested that and you can get it from the city. Maybe a job rally at his quiet home. My home willbe quiet too, as there may not be anyone in it.
Total proposed cost not including land
Total man hours
Jobs created during construction
Three economic impact studies came out today, all from the Washington Economic Group (all reported on at Cup Scene Daily). They found that Nascar tracks continue to contribute significantly to national, state, and local economies. Martinsville Speedway (in Virginia) contributes $174 million in economic impact and 2,824 permanent jobs with two race weekends a year. Richmond International Raceway (Virginia) contributes $467 million in economic impact and 7,700 permanent jobs with two race weekends a year. Darlington Raceway (in South Carolina) contributes $54 million in economic impact and 874 jobs with one race weekend a year.
#75 Apr 8, 2009
Saturday, March 28, 2009
Economy stalls, opportunites dwindle
By Ken Francis
TIM JUHL OF BIG LAKE glances at a list of job openings at the Telcom Construction booth during Tuesdays job fair at Monticello High School.(Photo by Ken Francis.)
As the crowd gathered in the hallway at Monticello High School just before 1 p.m. Tuesday, it was reminiscent of a "going out of business" sale at a department store or big box store.
But what the crowd was eagerly waiting for was much more precious than a bargain price. It was the chance to find employment.
At precisely 1 p.m. the crowd was allowed to venture forth to visit any or all of the 35 companies represented at the fifth annual Central Minnesota Job Fair.
For many job seekers it was probably their best chance in a long time to meet face to face with someone who could offer them a job. Others, like Tim Juhl of Big Lake, were hoping there would be a lot more to choose from.
"I don't see anything here I'm looking for," said Juhl, who has worked as a welder for Eastey Enterprises in Rogers for 19 years.
Juhl is in the same situation as many long-time employees in manufacturing. A slowing economy has led to fewer orders for products and less need for workers. Juhl was laid off last July before being called back in August. He was laid off again at Thanksgiving.
"They brought me back again the first of the year for six weeks, then I got laid off again," he says. "They say they'll bring me back when it picks up, but..."
Juhl says he is open to other types of work.
"I wouldn't mind some security work," he says, "or something with on-the-job training. I don't have a problem trying to start over."
Out of Business
#76 Apr 8, 2009
But finding a company willing to train someone isn't as easy at it has been in the past. With the poor state of the economy, some businesses realize it's not going to get better anytime soon and have decided to cut their losses and close down.
John Wehmann of Becker worked in aluminum extrusion at Temroc Metals in Hamel for the past 21 years. Temroc was sold two years ago. After 47 years in business, the company closed its doors for good March 13.
"I'm looking for anything right now," Wehmann said as he browsed through the job fair brochure. "But I didn't see a ton of stuff for me. I'm just going to have to look around and see what's out there."
Wehmann says he worked in road construction for Hard drives just after high school. And he was willing to look at other types of work now. But it was going to be hard to match the wages he was making at Temroc.
"This throws you in a spot. I don't want to get two jobs. I have kids to worry about - and health insurance. I don't want to lose my house,"
he says. "It's pretty tough.
Hopefully, something will happen."
Just about everyone has been affected by the downturn in the economy. Over the past three years, the home construction industry has slowed to a standstill. That has sent thousands of builders and workers in the construction trades looking for other types of work.
"I do finish carpentry work and there is no carpentry work," says Mike Allen of Clearwater. "So I'm looking for anything I can do."
Finish carpentry was in demand a few years ago when new homes were going up weekly. But as the market dried up, so did the jobs.
"I managed to struggle through the last couple of years," says Allen. "But I haven't really done any carpentry work since the first of the year."
He says he has done temp work at Nahan Printing, handling mail, stacking and sorting.
"I can do factory work, and I see Spee-Dee is looking for package handlers," said Allen. " I'll get a couple of applications. I'll just check and see what options are out there."
There were a lot fewer options than there were just a year ago, when almost 70 businesses were represented at the job fair.
"No doubt, it's a smaller mix," says Tim Zipoy, business resource representative at Central Minnesota Jobs & Training Services. "It resonates with the times we're in. We certainly contacted those businesses that have been part of this job fair before, and we've heard a whole range of staff situations."
In fact, over 1,600 registration forms were sent out to businesses, says Brad Durfee business service specialist with the Workforce Center in Monticello.
Saint Paul, MN
#77 Apr 13, 2009
If those opposing this track are still feeling the same about it, WAKE UP!! Idiots. Go gripe about something that really doesn't effect the majority of people WANTING jobs and seeing something great being built without having to pay a damn dime for. Do NOT pass this wonderful opportunity. If you do, you deserve every bit of nothing. NOTHING !!!!!!
#78 Jun 3, 2009
I moved to Big Lake from the Twin cities for a quieter more nature friendly environment. i live near the sherburne wildlife refuge and I love it. Doesn't really jive, beautiful protected wildlife area and a race track.... What?!
#79 Jun 15, 2009
I am all for the track, I only live a few blocks away, while noise is a concern it will mostly only be on weekends, big lake has a higher foreclosure % than just about every town, not only will these houses sell, but it will bring a lot of income into the city, along with jobs, while I do believe there will be some noise i think it will be well worth it considering all the financial help this town will get that it ever so needs, if people are still unhappy, sell your home, I can assure you big lakes property value will rise.
#80 Jun 30, 2009
Big lake needs this track this is a great thing that well help the struggling economy and help the city face there budget issues and the school have more money to teach the kids
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