Manhattan Beach cancels police, fire open houses

Full story: Daily Breeze

In perhaps the first public casualty of Manhattan Beach's budget woes, the city has canceled its annual invitation to residents to get an inside look at its public safety facilities.
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TotheBiodome

Los Angeles, CA

#1 May 7, 2009
I would not feel safe having the MBFD as my first response. Regardless, this cost saving genius idea will not save anyone's overpaid job. Might as well let the kids climb around the trucks and serve some pancakes.
Not a Fireman

Glendale, CA

#2 May 8, 2009
TotheBiodome wrote:
I would not feel safe having the MBFD as my first response. Regardless, this cost saving genius idea will not save anyone's overpaid job. Might as well let the kids climb around the trucks and serve some pancakes.
Overpaid job? Why, because you can't qualift for it? Amazing how when you need them, they are invaluable, but when you want to find someone to complain about, cops and firemen are overpaid. No problem, you can take a stand.....don't call 911 when you need one of them. That will show them!
ESS

AOL

#3 May 8, 2009
Oh yeah, police and firefighters are just raking in the cash... get real, buddy! Next time you have an emergency, do us all a favor and call 912. It's a special number, for people just like you. The South Bay is lucky to have wonderful teams that are well trained and ready to respond to all sorts of emergencies, a big THANKS to all of them!
MBer

Manhattan Beach, CA

#4 May 8, 2009
Can't afford an open house? Doesn't make sense to me unless they want to get paid to show up. I think this is another attempt to get an increase in staff and salary after the Marriott fire didn't work.
MB Truth

Woodland Hills, CA

#6 May 8, 2009
Call me cynical, but this cancellation appears more like political grandstanding and less like a prudent business decision. The police chief's comment that "it doesn't seem right to be celebrating" sounds kind of high school.

The event could have been easily scaled back, perhaps to the level of what other cities normally offer, and still maintain that necessary community contact without accompanying skateboard, bike, or jaws-of-life demonstrations. But in M.B., I guess if you can't do something over the top, you might as well not do it at all.
Bad Business

Los Angeles, CA

#7 May 8, 2009
The reason they can't afford the event is because the city lowered the downtown parking meter rates due to pressure from the greedy downtown business owners (most of whom aren't MB residents). Shame on you Mayor! You can't have your cake and eat it too.
George

Moreno Valley, CA

#8 May 8, 2009
Another example of how the city of Manhattan Beach is going down the tubes.Pedestrians robbed in the street,cars getting broken into,and forgeries everywhere. Now,the city can't even afford popcorn and pancakes!? Give me a break! I see in the story that LA city and county, ES,RB and Torrance have no problem continuing the open houses. This may sound trivial, but the open house is a great opportunity for the officers and nossle heads to impress the community and tell us what they do. If many ways, the open house helps you more than anyone. I'm moving to South Redondo.
Opinionated one

Long Beach, CA

#9 May 8, 2009
George wrote:
Another example of how the city of Manhattan Beach is going down the tubes.Pedestrians robbed in the street,cars getting broken into,and forgeries everywhere. Now,the city can't even afford popcorn and pancakes!? Give me a break! I see in the story that LA city and county, ES,RB and Torrance have no problem continuing the open houses. This may sound trivial, but the open house is a great opportunity for the officers and nossle heads to impress the community and tell us what they do. If many ways, the open house helps you more than anyone. I'm moving to South Redondo.
1. What's a 'nossle head'? Do you mean NOZZLE head? Oh I get it. A junior-high level nick name for the firefighter. And when did you say you're moving to So. Redondo?

“Go BRUINS ”

Since: Jan 09

Manhattan Beach CA

#10 May 8, 2009
George wrote:
Another example of how the city of Manhattan Beach is going down the tubes.Pedestrians robbed in the street,cars getting broken into,and forgeries everywhere. Now,the city can't even afford popcorn and pancakes!? Give me a break! I see in the story that LA city and county, ES,RB and Torrance have no problem continuing the open houses. This may sound trivial, but the open house is a great opportunity for the officers and nossle heads to impress the community and tell us what they do. If many ways, the open house helps you more than anyone. I'm moving to South Redondo.
goodbye
Unlax

Woodland Hills, CA

#11 May 8, 2009
Opinionated one wrote:
<quoted text>1. What's a 'nossle head'? Do you mean NOZZLE head? Oh I get it. A junior-high level nick name for the firefighter. And when did you say you're moving to So. Redondo?
1. I think you are being a bit harsh. So the guy misspelled a word. I believe he was actually using the term with affection. Nozzlehead, by the way, is a recurring character used in Fire and Rescue magazine (among with, I expect, other frequent usage within the corps). So I doubt firefighters take offense with the usage (or even with George's misspelling).

2. I missed your "2." Perhaps that was overlooked in your haste to blast George on his misspelling.
Illegals are ILLEGAL

Glendora, CA

#12 May 8, 2009
This story sounds very fishy, open houses dont really cost anything, unless everyone involved wants overtime... the are already at the station. The best way to get a look at a firestation is by having a birthday party there, at least at the one in san pedro... the kids had a blast and it was free.
Real Cutbacks Required

AOL

#15 May 8, 2009
Oh, the drama. First the City reverses policy to charge event fees to nonprofits, and now the cancellation of public safety open house events ... each saving a whopping 20 grand or so.

Newsflash: the gaping budget deficit won't be closed with such political posturing, Mr. City Manager, and your oh-so-predictable next step of proposing to increase revenues by additional taxation of the residents will only draw the fury of anyone still troubling themselves to pay attention to your gamesmanship.

City Council, it's time to finally and forcefully take back the reins of leadership and direct staff to make some serious cutbacks.
Lee

Los Angeles, CA

#16 May 8, 2009
A retired Division Chief from the city of Torrance fire dept. now makes $180,000 a year in retirement. The money these "heroes" make is SICK SICK SICK and then add on the insurance and benefits, it is a generous salary. Do they deserve it? subject for another debate.
But if the city does need to cut back couldn't the "extra" manpower needed for this be covered by some of these "heroes" actually volunteering a few hours of just one of their precious 20 days a month off?.... oh wait, volunteer, do something in the true spirit of helping your fellow man without being concern for compensation.....that's for regular folks who give freely of their time when a public service agency needs volunteers. That is a hero.
Never Cease to be Amazed

Gardena, CA

#17 May 8, 2009
Illegals are ILLEGAL wrote:
This story sounds very fishy, open houses dont really cost anything, unless everyone involved wants overtime... they are already at the station.
Of course everyone involved wants overtime ... are you kidding me? These guys even want to be paid to show up dressed for work. Our heroes.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/05...
Haircut

Los Angeles, CA

#18 May 8, 2009
Real Cutbacks Required wrote:
Oh, the drama. First the City reverses policy to charge event fees to nonprofits, and now the cancellation of public safety open house events ... each saving a whopping 20 grand or so.
Newsflash: the gaping budget deficit won't be closed with such political posturing, Mr. City Manager, and your oh-so-predictable next step of proposing to increase revenues by additional taxation of the residents will only draw the fury of anyone still troubling themselves to pay attention to your gamesmanship.
City Council, it's time to finally and forcefully take back the reins of leadership and direct staff to make some serious cutbacks.
The City Manager and his department heads need to cut their exhorbitant salaries. Same with the Police/Fire departments. And lose the expensive overtime, it aint necessary!
el redondo

United States

#19 May 8, 2009
When I visiting the east coast I was surprised to learn that many communities there have volunteer fire departments.
Hey Clueless

Los Angeles, CA

#20 May 8, 2009
MBer wrote:
Can't afford an open house? Doesn't make sense to me unless they want to get paid to show up. I think this is another attempt to get an increase in staff and salary after the Marriott fire didn't work.
In order to have firemen available to show the spoiled Manhattan children and their self entitled parents around the firehouse, it would require having firemen there on overtime as the other on-duty firemen would need to be available for calls for service. Your comment shows how little the general public knows about emergency services and how little respect you have for them.....unless you need them!
Amazed

Los Angeles, CA

#21 May 8, 2009
Illegals are ILLEGAL wrote:
This story sounds very fishy, open houses dont really cost anything, unless everyone involved wants overtime... the are already at the station. The best way to get a look at a firestation is by having a birthday party there, at least at the one in san pedro... the kids had a blast and it was free.
You always talk out of the wrong end of your body. Right....so the guys who have been on duty for 12 plus hours are going to show people around the house, then quickly usher the visitors out of the house when a call comes in?! Another person who knows little about what they post about.
Illegals are ILLEGAL

Glendora, CA

#22 May 8, 2009
Amazed wrote:
<quoted text>
You always talk out of the wrong end of your body. Right....so the guys who have been on duty for 12 plus hours are going to show people around the house, then quickly usher the visitors out of the house when a call comes in?! Another person who knows little about what they post about.
It doesnt have to be active duty personel ushering. I think there are a few retired officers that would come down and show people around, for nothing. The city has managed to conduct the open houses in the past, it can be done now.
The Truth Hurts

United States

#23 May 8, 2009
Lee wrote:
A retired Division Chief from the city of Torrance fire dept. now makes $180,000 a year in retirement. The money these "heroes" make is SICK SICK SICK and then add on the insurance and benefits, it is a generous salary. Do they deserve it? subject for another debate.
But if the city does need to cut back couldn't the "extra" manpower needed for this be covered by some of these "heroes" actually volunteering a few hours of just one of their precious 20 days a month off?.... oh wait, volunteer, do something in the true spirit of helping your fellow man without being concern for compensation.....that's for regular folks who give freely of their time when a public service agency needs volunteers. That is a hero.
Gee, no replies to this comment from you lovers of public safety? Can't find a justifiable answer to the 200 thousand plus retirement pay? Your tax dollars? Your hard earned wages? Nothing?

Wow, seems it is okay to tell someone that if they don't love the police or firefighters to go to hades and don't call 911. But when it comes to an opinion of their retirement benefits, suddenly the voice is silent.

This cancellation further demonstrates the selfish manner of these individuals. The only time they had the opportunity to have us, the ones that pay their wages, come to their house and say thank you, they rather cancel than actually have the decency to dip into their own pockets for the measly amount of money needed.

School teachers that earn a lot, a lot less, buy school supplies for their students because they actually care. If you think these fine upstanding examples of our firefighters and police forces actually care about you, keep telling yourself that and take it to your grave.

They care less about you, your children, your city, your money. They care only of themselves, socialize only with their kind and separate themselves from the rest of the community and proudly call themselves heroes.

It sickens me when they all pat themselves on the back and give themselves these so-called valor medals, like to the two El Segundo officers who got themselves shot for their poor judgement for not searching a suspect.

Oh, they cared. They opened fire back at him in a crowded theatre setting, couldn't give a darn about anyone that happen to be in the path of their bullets.

Call it what you want. These people are selfish, demanding, immature and these you call our heroes. Tightwads would be a better definition.

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