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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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#158612 Sep 9, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
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You people need to pick a story and stick with it.
First you tell us Regnerus used fraudulent data.
But that's now been disproven, hasn't it?
Not missing a beat, you now tell us he didn't actually study gay and lesbian parents and his study didn't actually include kids raised by same-sex parents.
Well, your latter claim may prove to be correct -- the problem is you people are neither qualified or in the peer-review loop.
Scott Rose is a homosexual blogger and activist. This alone disqualifies him from presenting an unbiased opinion -- but more than this, he is not a social scientist or scholar -- he has no credentials in anything in fact.
Worse still, it's now clear he besmirched Regnerus's reputation based on not a whit of evidence. Mind you, he accused Regnerus of "fraud." That's a serious indictment -- one that can get a person fired and ruin his career.
And Rose went to the media with his accusations of fraud. He created a national initiative to have Regnerus' study disowned by UT and removed from publication.
All this before the peer-review process even started. Indeed, doesn't it look like Rose and the LGBT community were trying to prevent the peer-review process from starting?
Did Regnerus compare:

1. Married gay parents to married straight parents.

2. Gay couples in long-term exclusive relationships to straight couples in same, regardless of marriage status?

3. Single straight parents to single gay parents?

4. Gay and straight couples in the same socio-economic levels?

5. straight blended families or divorced parents with gay parents in the same situation?

6. Would comparing children raised by gay couples back when being gay carried MUCH MUCH more stigma - to the point of illegality - with straight couples who had no such stigma would skew the results? And, as a result, would the study then have no bearing on children raised by married gay couples today?

How were all of these mitigating factors controlled for and accommodated in the study results? That would be a necessity to show that there is any cause and effect with a difference between the children raised by gay or straight parents, and the parenting skills those parents used.

Lets hear the answers.
Dude

Newark, DE

#158613 Sep 9, 2012
akpilot wrote:
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It might, if you actually were. But since there is no risk of that, I am doing just fine.
I guess the old saying is true. Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy it, my dear.

“Post-religious”

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#158615 Sep 9, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
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So what does Wright do? He hires a gay editor to trash the Regnerus study which gets his ass out of the hot-seat.
Where I come from we call that flying the yellow feather.
What do you call it where you come from, fella?
I call the post above a simple anti-gay rant.

Can't refute the substance of the editor's concerns or the auditor's findings? Let's just call out their sexual orientation! Hah! They're gay so they must be wrong! You state that he "trashes" the study, but you can't refute what he says aside from calling him gay.
jacques renault

Justice, IL

#158616 Sep 9, 2012
Jerald wrote:
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I call the post above a simple anti-gay rant.
Can't refute the substance of the editor's concerns or the auditor's findings? Let's just call out their sexual orientation! Hah! They're gay so they must be wrong! You state that he "trashes" the study, but you can't refute what he says aside from calling him gay.
he's lowering standards

has a prof ever had his or her official faculty photo in a bike uniform--and now it's in the Chronicle of Higher Ed LMAO he looks like the gay Bluto or part of the Village People

“Post-religious”

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#158618 Sep 9, 2012
jacques renault wrote:
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he's lowering standards
has a prof ever had his or her official faculty photo in a bike uniform--and now it's in the Chronicle of Higher Ed LMAO he looks like the gay Bluto or part of the Village People
Yeah, I guess if one can't refute what he says then one can comment on what he's wearing in the photo on his school webpage.(Where does it say that it's his "official faculty photo"?)
Becca

Barstow, CA

#158619 Sep 9, 2012
When is the driving to San Bernardino, California or Riverside?
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#158620 Sep 9, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
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Believe, Mr. Mona, sir, no one is concerned about how you have sex.
In fact, no one even wants to think about how a morbidly-obese, middle-aged cross-dresser like you has sex.
Then why do YOU keep bringing it up?
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#158622 Sep 9, 2012
KiMare wrote:
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If you read his study, you will find he made no conclusions about long term stable gay unions since there were very few.
Instead, he made conclusions about typical gay unions. Unstable, short-lived and more damaging to children than any other.
If they are unstable and short-lived, then how do you know the cause wasn't instability or short-life, instead of that they were gay?

Regnerus compared people raised by stable heterosexual couples, to those raised by unstable mixed-orientation couples, and then declared that “gay” parents have significantly worse child outcomes than do heterosexual parents, though his data does not support that conclusion.

For Regnerus’s comparison even to have begun to be valid, he would either have had to compare 1) stable same-sex-headed households to i) stable heterosexual-headed households, or 2) unstable heterosexual households to ii) unstable mixed-orientation-headed households.

There is no need for any further discussion as to whether Regnerus made a sociologically valid comparison; he did not. This issue alone is the beginning and the end of whether his published study is valid.
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#158623 Sep 9, 2012
icouldusesomehel p wrote:
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Good point. Why doesn't he just shut up and go away?
Because it's the only attention he gets.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#158625 Sep 9, 2012
Quest wrote:
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And it didn't, It also didn't answer any other questions about gay parents, either.
Apparently you are incapable of understanding it...

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#158629 Sep 9, 2012
"This new evidence is based on the data from the New Family Structures Study (NFSS) of the University of Texas, of which Regnerus was the lead investigator and which in 2011 surveyed 2,988 young adults for the specific purpose of collecting more reliable, nationally representative data about children from various family origins: intact biological families, late-divorced families, stepfamilies, single-parent families, adoptive families, families with a lesbian mother, families with a gay father, and other family types (such as families with a deceased parent or other combinations). The NFSS has already been acknowledged by critics to be “better situated than virtually all previous studies to detect differences between these groups in the population.”2"

http://www.familystructurestudies.com/summary

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#158633 Sep 9, 2012
KiMare wrote:
"This new evidence is based on the data from the New Family Structures Study (NFSS) of the University of Texas, of which Regnerus was the lead investigator and which in 2011 surveyed 2,988 young adults for the specific purpose of collecting more reliable, nationally representative data about children from various family origins: intact biological families, late-divorced families, stepfamilies, single-parent families, adoptive families, families with a lesbian mother, families with a gay father, and other family types (such as families with a deceased parent or other combinations). The NFSS has already been acknowledged by critics to be “better situated than virtually all previous studies to detect differences between these groups in the population.”2"
http://www.familystructurestudies.com/summary
Argument ad nauseum.

The Regnerus study doesn't include children who were actually raised by same-sex COUPLES.

FAIL.
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#158636 Sep 9, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Are you serious? Did you have lousy biological parents, whom you hated?
Lets hear the answer.
Absent of that, how can a sane person compare to biological parents, with a gay couple who adopts some other biological parent's child. All things being equal...
Well, scientifically, that would be how one would control for differences caused by sexual orientation. There is no scientific evidence that biological parents are any better or worse at parenting.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#158637 Sep 9, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
I was delighted when Obama flip-flopped on same-sex marriage because I knew he was sighing his own death warrant.
When Obama and Biden were in the Senate, they both supported the definition of marriage as one man and one woman. In fact, Biden helped enact DOMA into law. Now that they've left the Senate and no longer write our laws, they change their minds.

With friends like that, who needs homophobes?
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#158638 Sep 9, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, did he have to stretch to find unstable gays? Since, 91% of gays contemplate suicide and are diagnosed with a depressive disorder, then should he have sought to find the 9%.
Since, 80% of all the AIDS cases are gays, should he have also excluded them. Also, since transsexual is a gender identity disorder should all trans have been excluded.
Indeed, if Regnerus does not include the above, which is the gay norm, then he would not have made a sociologically valid comparison. That is like saying that Harry Hay, Harvey Milks, Oscar Wilde, etc. were gay, but excluding the fact that they were gay pedophiles.
Unless, a study says that no gays commit suicide, no gays were abused as children, no gays do drugs, no gays account for AIDS cases, no gays molest children, and all gays are well adjusted with doctorates and incomes over $250,000 a year, you will not be happy.
Oh puh-leez! Spare us the hyperbole and outright bullshit that you can't prove a word of.

Harry Hay, Harvey Milk and Oscar Wilde were NOT pedophiles and lying about it makes you look desperate.
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#158639 Sep 9, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, it does.
FAIL.
No it doesn't.

Read it for yourself: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#158641 Sep 9, 2012
Gate Keeper 1 wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, did he have to stretch to find unstable gays? Since, 91% of gays contemplate suicide and are diagnosed with a depressive disorder, then should he have sought to find the 9%.
Since, 80% of all the AIDS cases are gays, should he have also excluded them. Also, since transsexual is a gender identity disorder should all trans have been excluded.
Indeed, if Regnerus does not include the above, which is the gay norm, then he would not have made a sociologically valid comparison.
...yawn...

Try again after you read this:

http://www.socialresearchmethods.net/kb/intro...

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#158642 Sep 9, 2012
Jerald wrote:
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Argument ad nauseum.
The Regnerus study doesn't include children who were actually raised by same-sex COUPLES.
FAIL.
Denial ad nauseum.

Yes it did, the study says, "less than 2% lived with their parent and partner for all 18 years of childhood."
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#158643 Sep 9, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>When Obama and Biden were in the Senate, they both supported the definition of marriage as one man and one woman. In fact, Biden helped enact DOMA into law. Now that they've left the Senate and no longer write our laws, they change their minds.
With friends like that, who needs homophobes?
With posters like Brian_G, who needs the Sunday Comics?
Saint Peter

Covina, CA

#158649 Sep 9, 2012
Keep flapping.

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