Whitman, Brown clash in final debate tonight

Oct 12, 2010 | Posted by: CitizenTopix | Full story: www.sfgate.com

The two major candidates for California governor head into their final televised showdown tonight with a "woman" problem dogging their campaigns - Republican Meg Whitman for her treatment of her undocumented maid, and Democrat Jerry Brown for a staffer's use of a sexist slur in referring to his opponent.

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Jerry Got It Right

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Whitless looked pretty tired during the last debate (more than usual). Guess she's not sleeping very well. Jerry definitely is not the best looking guy in the world BUT he beats her out hands down. His suit was sharp and so were his appropriate words and tone. Integrity. Honesty. Truth.

He is the person for the job.

She's looking ready for retirement before she even gets to actually vote for the first time in 28 years. Go retire far away from CA whitless. She looks too tired to even make it to the next day.

Go Jerry! You have my vote!
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Did final Meg Whitman-Jerry Brown debate change anything?
Tuesday's California gubernatorial debate between Meg Whitman and Jerry Brown was the last before the election, making it crucial for both candidates.
On the factual level,“Brown won,” says Barbara O’Connor, director of the Institute for Study of Politics and Media at California State University, Sacramento. She says Whitman petered out at the end and was “engaged but often not directly responsive to Brokaw’s questions … Brokaw fact-checked her twice.”
I agree... she was out of the loop for most questions. It was difficult to watch and listen to her. It was also so obvious she memorized what she felt were "key" points to reiterate over and over and over again. She just twisted and turned certain words to make it appear to be a different argument. Basically ALL she believes is that the richest among us deserve to keep more money in their already over inflated bank accounts. How stupid is that!?! Give back to the people what the people have given you rich people!!! Our money! Pay your taxes richest among us!!

Also, she can not debate. She lacked the ability to think on her feet and to debate points brought up by either Brown or Brokaw. How can anyone believe nutmeg? She will destroy CA and then try and blame someone else for her screw-ups.

Go Jerry!!!!!!!!!
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Oct 14, 2010
 
Oh, this is a good one from the Washington Times, Jerry Brown made his money from oil. I condensed the article.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/...
Pat Brown left the governorship in 1967. He was introduced to Indonesian generals that had just overthrown their government. The Junta nationalized the immense Royal Dutch Shell petroleum holdings.

Pat Brown helped them raise $12 billion thru a consortium of banks.

The generals set up two trading firms in Hong Kong and California to handle the oil exporting paperwork. Pat Brown was given 100 percent ownership in the California brokerage and half ownership in the Hong Kong office.

This clean Indonesian oil was the only oil clean enough for California’s clean-air standards for power plants.

While Jerry Brown was governor, Chevron had just opened up a new refinery in El Segundo to process Alaskan crude to compete against the Indonesians. Jerry Browns Air Resources Board passed a new air-quality standard that was too high for Chevron and the Alaska crude, retaining the Indonesian monopoly in California.
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Oct 14, 2010
 
Jerry Brown from 1995
http://biggovernment.com/mrichmond/2010/06/10...

The conventional viewpoint says we need a jobs program and we need to cut welfare. Just the opposite! We need more welfare and fewer jobs. Jobs for every American is doomed to failure because of modern automation and production. We ought to recognize it and create an income-maintenance system so every single American has the dignity and the wherewithal for shelter, basic food, and medical care. I’m talking about welfare for all. Without it, you’re going to have warfare for all. Without a universal health care like every other civilized country, without a minimum level of income, this country will explode. You can’t blame the guy at the bottom forever. At some point there’s a reaction and we’ll see that the real criminals are those calling the tune, making the rules, and walking to the bank. We have the money, we have the brain power. The United States now has the highest measured wealth of any nation ever in the history of the world. We could rebuild our cities, we could create the kind of buying power and community well-being that will provide for peace. The guaranteed income is one way. Another way is to have always the availability of work in a nonprofit, in community service. A third is to start giving people training to develop skills where they can be self-supporting. You could come up with a cash supplement. Even conservatives have suggested a negative income tax to cut out the bureaucracy. If we were smart, we’d get rid of welfare and give people a family assistance like they do in Europe…
The problem isn’t even a problem. Automation and technology would be a great boon if it were creative, if there were more leisure, more opportunity to engage in raising a family, providing guidance to the young, all the stuff we say we need. America will work if we’re all in it together. It’ll work when there’s a shared sense of destiny. It can be done! It’s all there! What isn’t there is the leadership to create the kind of social network, the safety net, the distribution that would truly create a just and equal society…
We have to restore power to the family, to the neighborhood, and the community with a non-market principle, a principle of equality, of charity, of let’s-take-care-of-one-another . That’s the creative challenge. First, expose relentlessly the big lie that comes over the tube every night-that if you just go out and find that job, and work harder, it’ll all be fine. It won’t! There’s not enough work to go around and a lot of the pay is not fair. Unless you totally yank up that system and create a better one, unless the spirit changes, unless the heart opens, unless we confront power with the truth of our own unarmed but absolute fearless truth, we’re not going to overcome it. Evil is too embedded to be overcome by anything other than a spiritual challenge.
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Oct 15, 2010
 
Whitman's words put spotlight on deeds
A lucrative Goldman Sachs deal, a Craigslist battle and personal investments raise questions.
May 11, 2010|By Evan Halper and Jack Dolan, Los Angeles Times
Reporting from Sacramento — Meg Whitman says she became one of the world's wealthiest CEOs by always asking, "What is the right thing to do?"
In her recently released autobiography, the front-runner for the GOP gubernatorial nomination disavows Wall Street "self-dealing and fraud" and rejects as myth the idea that successful executives must "step on people, stretch the truth ... and make heartless decisions based only on the bottom line."
Several of Whitman's actions while in corporate office and as an investor, however, raise questions about whether her conduct has squared with the image she has created in the book, on the stump and through tens of millions of dollars' worth of campaign commercials. Her ethical compass was tested repeatedly as she went from young Harvard M.B.A. to chief executive of the online auction giant EBay, and some shareholders, regulators and business partners found it wanting.
A lucrative deal that Whitman cut for herself with investment banking giant Goldman Sachs was called "corrupt" by the U.S. House of Representatives Financial Services Committee. The partnership she forged between EBay and online rival Craigslist landed in court and is still there; Craigslist has accused EBay of stealing trade secrets and fraudulent advertising. At another company, her dismissal of a subordinate executive resulted in an age-discrimination lawsuit and a secret court settlement.
As an investor, she put millions of dollars into private equity firms with a reputation for callous business practices. Subsidiaries of one of the "distressed asset" firms in which she identifies herself as a limited partner foreclosed on dozens of victims of Hurricane Katrina.
"It's nice to say if you just behave ethically, you will make profits," said Meier Statman, a professor of finance at Santa Clara University who focuses on ethics. "If that were true, life would be really easy. But … there are tradeoffs. And if you are a politician, you have to account for them."
Whitman declined to be interviewed, referring questions to her campaign staff.
Her business practices came under intense scrutiny in the fall of 2002, when congressional investigators identified her as one of a handful of corporate executives who had made self-serving deals with Wall Street firms at the expense of shareholders.
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California gubernatorial candidate, Meg Whitman, the former CEO of eBay, who seems intent on spending her way into the California statehouse with a whooping $125 million dollars of her own fortune is known to have hit/shoved/whatever an eBay employee who she settled with out of court for $200,000.

One of her sons faced felony charges of breaking a woman’s ankle after she told him “F**k your fraternity.” Despite eyewitnesses—and you can’t very well fake a broken ankle, either—the billionaire’s son escaped prison when the charges were mysteriously dismissed.

Her other son was booted from a tony Princeton private eating club for dropping the N-word all over the place.(Even though his mommy is Princeton’s biggest living donor, son Griff Harsch wasn’t allowed to walk with his graduating class! Classic).

Is any of this surprising? Of course it’s not, but what does the temperament of her children say about Whitman’s own temperament, not to mention her parenting skills?!?

How many of you reading this have ever been manhandled by your boss? How many of you reading this have ever hired a $1000 buck an hour lawyer to get your kid off the hook for a felony assault charge or said the N-word in a room full of people? A show of hands, please?

I don’t think I want the governor of my state to be a bullying billionaire who buys herself into office, with a first family including her sorry excuses for sons!

Just how far did these nuts fall from the f**king tree, you know? Anybody else in the Golden State feeling me on this one?

The sole surprising thing about the stories of obnoxious entitlement swirling around the drain of Meg and her boffoonish sons, Griff and WIl Harsh, is the fact that most of the media (with the admirable exception of Gawker) is timid about taking on the issue of this woman’s offspring and what their behavior (and her own) say about Whitman’s ability to govern the Great State of California? Nothing good, if you ask me. Nothing at all!

I know, I know, the children of the rich, famous and powerful are supposed to be off limits. But Whitman’s children are ADULTS. Adults who’ve been charged with a felony, on one hand, and ostracized by a club at an Ivy League school (that his mother endows with tens of millions of dollars) for saying the N-word, on the other. Give me a f**king break.

Had the Bush twins done either of these things, I guarantee you, the gloves would have been off!

Jerry Brown for Governor!

Billionaire Bad Boys Club: Meg Whitman’s Son’s Arrest for Beating Up a Girl (Gawker)
It Gets Worse: Meg Whitman’s Sons’ Racism and Entitlement Were Stuff of Legend (Gawker)

Meg has said she could not vote the last 28 years because she was raising her sons and husband.
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Founder of eBay Won’t Endorse Meg Whitman, Either

September 21, 2010 You know who hates Meg Whitman? Everybody who ever had to deal with her, that’s who. The Los Angeles Times reports:

Pierre Omidyar, who created EBay and hired Meg Whitman as his company’s chief executive, said Tuesday that he would not endorse her and would find it “difficult” to vote for her for governor if he still lived in California.

Read more at Wonkette: Founder of eBay Won’t Endorse Meg Whitman, Either
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Oct 15, 2010
 
I thought we had 6 candidates for governor?
why do only two get debate time?
I think we would benefit from hearing what they all have to say... and not just about the few areas that Meg & Jerry differ in.
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Oct 15, 2010
 
Thank you Stacy, Fox News lost me in 2008 when they refused to acknowledge Duncan Hunter. O’Reilly and Hannity refused to mention him on their radio shows. When Fox News dropped Hunter from the debate I lost all hope in them. You will see me everywhere exposing their hypocrisy.

I did a search on the Los Angeles Times and the Daily News and there was very little about our own homegrown candidate.

The fix was in.

I know I am the Party Pooper, When I intercede myself into a forum…it ends.

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/los-angeles...

http://www.topix.com/forum/state/ca/TAB9OKTAC...

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/los-angeles...

http://www.topix.com/forum/state/ca/TB794F43G...

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/los-angeles...
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Founder of eBay Won’t Endorse Meg Whitman, Either
by Ken Layne

9:00 pm September 21, 2010
You know who hates Meg Whitman? Everybody who ever had to deal with her, that’s who.
The Los Angeles Times reports:

Pierre Omidyar, who created EBay and hired Meg Whitman as his company’s chief executive, said Tuesday that he would not endorse her and would find it “difficult” to vote for her for governor if he still lived in California.
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Meg wrote:
California gubernatorial candidate, Meg Whitman, the former CEO of eBay, who seems intent on spending her way into the California statehouse with a whooping $125 million dollars of her own fortune is known to have hit/shoved/whatever an eBay employee who she settled with out of court for $200,000.
One of her sons faced felony charges of breaking a woman’s ankle after she told him “F**k your fraternity.” Despite eyewitnesses—and you can’t very well fake a broken ankle, either—the billionaire’s son escaped prison when the charges were mysteriously dismissed.
Her other son was booted from a tony Princeton private eating club for dropping the N-word all over the place.(Even though his mommy is Princeton’s biggest living donor, son Griff Harsch wasn’t allowed to walk with his graduating class! Classic).
Is any of this surprising? Of course it’s not, but what does the temperament of her children say about Whitman’s own temperament, not to mention her parenting skills?!?
How many of you reading this have ever been manhandled by your boss? How many of you reading this have ever hired a $1000 buck an hour lawyer to get your kid off the hook for a felony assault charge or said the N-word in a room full of people? A show of hands, please?
I don’t think I want the governor of my state to be a bullying billionaire who buys herself into office, with a first family including her sorry excuses for sons!
Just how far did these nuts fall from the f**king tree, you know? Anybody else in the Golden State feeling me on this one?
The sole surprising thing about the stories of obnoxious entitlement swirling around the drain of Meg and her boffoonish sons, Griff and WIl Harsh, is the fact that most of the media (with the admirable exception of Gawker) is timid about taking on the issue of this woman’s offspring and what their behavior (and her own) say about Whitman’s ability to govern the Great State of California? Nothing good, if you ask me. Nothing at all!
I know, I know, the children of the rich, famous and powerful are supposed to be off limits. But Whitman’s children are ADULTS. Adults who’ve been charged with a felony, on one hand, and ostracized by a club at an Ivy League school (that his mother endows with tens of millions of dollars) for saying the N-word, on the other. Give me a f**king break.
Had the Bush twins done either of these things, I guarantee you, the gloves would have been off!
Jerry Brown for Governor!
Billionaire Bad Boys Club: Meg Whitman’s Son’s Arrest for Beating Up a Girl (Gawker)
It Gets Worse: Meg Whitman’s Sons’ Racism and Entitlement Were Stuff of Legend (Gawker)
Meg has said she could not vote the last 28 years because she was raising her sons and husband.
ms nutmeg is just out for herself and other ultra rich corp. cronies. She is a close friend of Mitt Romney. This says it all. Do you think these super ultra rich moguls care about the middle class? They want all of the laws to work for the ultra rich,and screw the working people who are the back bones of this country. They got their wealth off the working class!
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Jerry Got It Right wrote:
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I agree... she was out of the loop for most questions. It was difficult to watch and listen to her. It was also so obvious she memorized what she felt were "key" points to reiterate over and over and over again. She just twisted and turned certain words to make it appear to be a different argument. Basically ALL she believes is that the richest among us deserve to keep more money in their already over inflated bank accounts. How stupid is that!?! Give back to the people what the people have given you rich people!!! Our money! Pay your taxes richest among us!!
Also, she can not debate. She lacked the ability to think on her feet and to debate points brought up by either Brown or Brokaw. How can anyone believe nutmeg? She will destroy CA and then try and blame someone else for her screw-ups.
Go Jerry!!!!!!!!!
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rlk wrote:
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ms nutmeg is just out for herself and other ultra rich corp. cronies. She is a close friend of Mitt Romney. This says it all. Do you think these super ultra rich moguls care about the middle class? They want all of the laws to work for the ultra rich,and screw the working people who are the back bones of this country. They got their wealth off the working class!
This is so true

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no one to vote for. moonbeam or ms.blockhead
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you people in california are a joke, you have nothing but New World Order idiots in office for decades, and now your tax dollars arent paying enough to feed your illegals, good people should move out and the rest of you can stay there in hopes your state floats out to sea
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Oct 18, 2010
 
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California Arnoldfornia= a lost cause sucd dry by illegals. best we could hope for is the fault to give out and that place to sink into the abyss
I'm whiiiite thing is some of california will be left a mountain range maybe small islands is there any salvation for those left behind? The North American Union(will fail)Americans.
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true wrote:
you people in california are a joke, you have nothing but New World Order idiots in office for decades, and now your tax dollars arent paying enough to feed your illegals, good people should move out and the rest of you can stay there in hopes your state floats out to sea
I need money in order to seek a new life else were?
home less in cali.
maybe I'll be an islander.
or a mountain man
a white one
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Oct 18, 2010
 
we should not bag on cali.after all its just dirt no dirty er then others we can blame former inhabitants we are people to money is the needed root of all evil.he who is with out sin cast the first stone,burning polatitions at the steak is inhuman.so homelessness it is.
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hmmmm!
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unwanted cali wrote:
we should not bag on cali.after all its just dirt no dirty er then others we can blame former inhabitants we are people to money is the needed root of all evil.he who is with out sin cast the first stone,burning polatitions at the steak is inhuman.so homelessness it is.
Its more humane than letting them produce carbon foot print

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