overpaid

Brea, CA

#42 Jun 11, 2011
I guess the starbucks, grocery stores, and gyms will go out of business if we eliminate firefighters. Sick and tired of seeing them drink coffee and sit at the tables for hours at a time.
lastoutlaw

Waipahu, HI

#43 Jun 11, 2011
overpaid wrote:
I guess the starbucks, grocery stores, and gyms will go out of business if we eliminate firefighters. Sick and tired of seeing them drink coffee and sit at the tables for hours at a time.
It's been my experience that they; like cops; get the coffee free. Snacks half price.
Expect to see former firefighters get jobs as baristas, locker room attendents and baggers.
Only the last one is union. For now.
Firefighter

Pasadena, CA

#44 Jun 12, 2011
Too much money wrote:
<quoted text> Your salaries and benefits are way too high. We can no longer afford them! The only way this is ever going to change is when we finally stop electing the politicians who make these agreements with the unions, and unfortunately I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Our salaries and benefits are not "way too high". It is not our problem that some of you can no longer pay your taxes to support necessary services. When you can't afford to pay your mortgage, the bank puts you on the street. When the economy improves, your salaries will go up and you won't feel so envious of our well earned paychecks.
lastoutlaw

Waipahu, HI

#45 Jun 12, 2011
Firefighter wrote:
<quoted text> Our salaries and benefits are not "way too high". It is not our problem that some of you can no longer pay your taxes to support necessary services. When you can't afford to pay your mortgage, the bank puts you on the street. When the economy improves, your salaries will go up and you won't feel so envious of our well earned paychecks.
What do you mean, some of us can no longer pay our taxes? Paying taxes is not optional; it's withheld from our paychecks - so taxes are paid before we receive the check. Same as yours.
I wonder - you state 'when you can't afford to pay your mortgage, the bank puts you on the street'. What happens, by extension, when the state can no longer pay your pensions? You putting the state out on the street?
Like to see that.
Bureaucratic Mess

Pasadena, CA

#46 Jun 13, 2011
The more the fireplugs post here about how they're "entitled" and "owed" for their "heroism," the more pathetic and ridiculous they look and the more sensible people expose them for the greedy union thugs that they really are. Love it.
Smokey

Pearland, TX

#47 Jun 13, 2011
What is the annual salary for LA Firefighter ?
old man

United States

#48 Jun 13, 2011
Smokey wrote:
What is the annual salary for LA Firefighter ?
too much!
Bureaucratic Mess

Pasadena, CA

#49 Jun 14, 2011
Smokey wrote:
What is the annual salary for LA Firefighter ?
The LA Times recently reported that several in El Segundo are earning nearly $200K per year for working a couple days a week and rarely getting called to a serious fire. If El Segundo firefighters are earning that, you can bet that many in other cities are earning the same or more.
Firefighter

Pasadena, CA

#50 Jun 14, 2011
lastoutlaw wrote:
<quoted text>What do you mean, some of us can no longer pay our taxes? Paying taxes is not optional; it's withheld from our paychecks - so taxes are paid before we receive the check. Same as yours.
I wonder - you state 'when you can't afford to pay your mortgage, the bank puts you on the street'. What happens, by extension, when the state can no longer pay your pensions? You putting the state out on the street?
Like to see that.
You can't pay your taxes when you lose your jobs. The State and the Federal Government will never go out of business. They have ways and means of raising funds to cover all of the contractual obligations that they have entered into.

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#51 Jun 14, 2011
Firefighter wrote:
<quoted text> You can't pay your taxes when you lose your jobs. The State and the Federal Government will never go out of business. They have ways and means of raising funds to cover all of the contractual obligations that they have entered into.
Without a tax base? How? Selling State Assets? Those assets belong to the public; selling them and leasing them out is an abuse of public trust beyond a specific and clearly delineated point.
And once the assets are sold; then what? I said it before; I'll say it again - when the well runs dry EVERYBODY goes thirsty. Contract be damned; you can't enforce a contract when you haven't the means to do so. And do you think a lawsuit will change that? Who do you jail? The taxpayers? Buddy; there aren't enough jail cells to hold 'em all and YOU will be one of the inmates yourself.
Your unions have extorted all they're going to. When the state defaults and there are no assets to claim; you will have to cut your losses. Just like the REAL people who've been screwed, blued and tattooed by the Union-owned Pols for decades.
Wake up and smell the coffee. While you can still afford to.
Juan

Pearland, TX

#52 Jun 14, 2011
Firefighter wrote:
<quoted text> You can't pay your taxes when you lose your jobs. The State and the Federal Government will never go out of business. They have ways and means of raising funds to cover all of the contractual obligations that they have entered into.
That's the same thinking the auto unions thought.
Irving

Cornersville, TN

#53 Jun 14, 2011
Firefighter wrote:
<quoted text> Our our our
Elsewhere you claim to be a "teacher". Why won't you acknowledge that?
Mary Simpson

Downey, CA

#54 Jun 15, 2011
Shampoo wrote:
Sweet!
Thanks to lucrative deals granted to the El Segundo Firefighters Association union by the City Council, firefighters must work only two of every six days.
Archambault's workweek is typical: During two consecutive days, amounting to 48 hours, he is paid to sleep for 16 hours, and some of his sleeping is paid as "overtime." He gets the next four days off and the cycle begins again. It's a beautiful government job.
Archambault did not return calls from L.A. Weekly seeking comment. But Robbins says, "He gets to spend most of his time hanging out at home. He drives down to El Segundo once a week, sleeps a big chunk of his working time, and leaves two days later."
WE voted for the Union Stooges who let the Unions write their own deals at the direct expense of our own children's future financial security.

Don't blame the Unions. The citizens voted to destroy our own children's future. We voted for them to be hopelss tax slaves in service to their fat cat Union masters.

The Unions won. Our State and our Children lost big time.
We saw the Dem Party morph into the Union stooge Party and enabled it every time we voted.
Fingers

Guadalupe, CA

#55 Jun 15, 2011
Bureaucratic Mess wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody forces you to do this job, Sparky. Freaking quit. There are thousands of dudes and chicks willing to do it for less than half your compensation -- and do it better. SCRAM, Norma Rae. I'm sick of greedy union slugs like you screwing up my government.
Don't get your panties is such a bunch. I am not a firefighter and I agree that this whole mess is just another injustice. But think about this; one of the root causes of our deteriorated economy is the fact that illegal migrant workers took our jobs for less than half of our compensation! Now look where that has brought us. Yes the firefighters have taken this to the extreme but, if you had the high degree of probability that you would die doing your job, wouldn't you be a little more demanding about your compensation? I know I would be if I had to risk my life for someone who thought I did not deserve what I got paid.

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#56 Jun 15, 2011
Fingers wrote:
<quoted text>Don't get your panties is such a bunch. I am not a firefighter and I agree that this whole mess is just another injustice. But think about this; one of the root causes of our deteriorated economy is the fact that illegal migrant workers took our jobs for less than half of our compensation! Now look where that has brought us. Yes the firefighters have taken this to the extreme but, if you had the high degree of probability that you would die doing your job, wouldn't you be a little more demanding about your compensation? I know I would be if I had to risk my life for someone who thought I did not deserve what I got paid.
Labor laws cover that; there are industry standards for pay in various occupations; including hazardous jobs such as police and fire. These laws vary from state to state; but THEY ARE LAWS! Unions helped impliment them many years ago. Since they're now set in stone; what more can the unions do? Nothing. You'd have the same compensation whether you were union or non-union. Your pay is established by law. Look it up; California Code of Regulations; Labor Laws. Easy enough to verify. So what purposes, what functions do the unions serve other than become a back-room fundraising arm of the Democratic Party? None that anybody has been able to find out.
You? Bitching about illegals? Then instead of supporting the political party which is pandering to them, why not side with the ones that want the government to enforce the laws and do something about them? Liberals support the illegal invasion of our country and the granting of amnesty to them. It's their future voting base; just like unions. You stay with the Libs for union support; you end up supporting the illegals who are taking away jobs (even yours someday) by default.
Get with the program. Get away from the illegal invasion supporters, get away from the union supporters and start backing those who will restore your jobs and enforce the laws instead if interpreting them for the benefit of special interest groups.
Otherwise; you're only hurting yourself and you have nobody to blame but yourself. Personal accountability. Something liberals know nothing about but which will be brought home to them shortly.
They're in for a rude awakening.
Fingers

Guadalupe, CA

#57 Jun 15, 2011
old man wrote:
Fingers, citizens do try to help (I be one of them ) BUT we get turned away because "we don't have the training" yeah we do whinne but that's only because soon enough the cities will be overburden with pensions that no matter what ,the need for HIGHER TAXES will be implemented ,I'm with Costa mesa to outsource the jobs to private companies that will eliminate the burden of pensions on the TAX PAYERS,... further more ,you chose you're line of work and risking you're life for us whinners was in the contract .......yeah yeah I can't spell worth a crap grammar is bad ,but I think I get my point across
I am not a firefighter. The citizens who try to help and get turned away because of the lack of training can attain the proper training and be part of the volunteer firefighters.
We are overburdened with higher taxes to pay for the firefighters but, if we outsource to private companies, who will pay for their wages? If they are truely private then you will receive the enormous invoice after they rescue you in your time of need. If you don't not pay your bill and you become delinquent then, the next time you call for help they can simply deny you because of your failure to pay for services rendered. If this occurs, there will be no course of action for you, no legal remedies, nothing.
I think the better course would be to lobby our government to reduce the cost's of services and bring into fruition the balance we all seek.

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#58 Jun 15, 2011
Fingers wrote:
<quoted text>I am not a firefighter. The citizens who try to help and get turned away because of the lack of training can attain the proper training and be part of the volunteer firefighters.
We are overburdened with higher taxes to pay for the firefighters but, if we outsource to private companies, who will pay for their wages? If they are truely private then you will receive the enormous invoice after they rescue you in your time of need. If you don't not pay your bill and you become delinquent then, the next time you call for help they can simply deny you because of your failure to pay for services rendered. If this occurs, there will be no course of action for you, no legal remedies, nothing.
I think the better course would be to lobby our government to reduce the cost's of services and bring into fruition the balance we all seek.
Please accept my apologies; I thought I was responding to 'firefighter'. Not enough coffee this A.M. I guess.
Regarding the outsourcing to private companies - I read somewhere and don't remember where or I'd post a link - about several communities right here in California what have a private company provide these services. I believe the costs range from $25.00 to $50.00 a months and goes into a 'pool'- like insurance. You're a member - you're covered. The bigger the community; the larger the pool. If you're not a member; the payment recourse is through homeowners and / or renter's insurance; though the cost is far more expensive and there are limitations as to what and how the coverage works.
But overall; it's cheaper than the current 'Public Service System' which will NEVER be reduced in cost - only in service. Lobbying the government would do no good; the unions have more money and more people with no lives other than to get their few bucks a day to act as mouth pieces, sign holders and agitators on their behalf. The rest of us have lives to lead, jobs to perform and that hobbles us right there.
Back to the private service - yes; if you're not a member and you can't show (somehow) the responders that you have adequate insurance to pay for the service - they'll let your house burn. This has happened. Those present and upon realizing WHY the house was left to burn - signed up for the policies the next day, so it wouldn't happen to them.
This is one way to get out from under a government controlled (and union directed) service and into a private sector one. Add to that - response times will improve. The volunteers will come from the neighborhood they're protecting. They won't live 80 miles away. They'll know the people to whom they are giving aid. Community Spirit.
It's too bad. Public Service used to be better; which is why they were allowed to replace the volunteer services.
When was the last time you saw a fireman get a cat out of a tree (just to cite an example)? It still happens in rural areas; but in larger communities like Los Angeles? They can't be bothered.
A volunteer service; being locally staffed; would go back to doing this. It would be 'neighborly' of them. That; plus all too often, they're sitting around the station doing a whole lotta nothing. With the Union controlled system; this is the preferred - actually, this is the RULE - way of doing things. With private sector - anything to relieve the boredom. Days could go by with nothing to do and those big paychecks are unearned. Too big for the few times that they're called upon to work. Perhaps the pay should be changed to reflect this. During the time spent sitting in the station playing cards; one pay rate. During the time they're on a call - a higher 'hazardous' pay rate. Log sheets - which are by law required to state the time and personnel involved in the response - would define the paycheck.
Implement that - all costs (labor, benefit, pension) costs would go down.
Food for thought.

“Hold on to my waist ”

Since: Jun 11

And push and pull

#59 Jun 15, 2011
I think they get paid under what they should, but on the other hand some don't do what most do , but you get that in any field. so pay the wage and quite think they don't do anything..
Fingers

Guadalupe, CA

#60 Jun 15, 2011
lastoutlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Please accept my apologies; I thought I was responding to 'firefighter'. Not enough coffee this A.M. I guess.
Regarding the outsourcing to private companies - I read somewhere and don't remember where or I'd post a link - about several communities right here in California what have a private company provide these services. I believe the costs range from $25.00 to $50.00 a months and goes into a 'pool'- like insurance. You're a member - you're covered. The bigger the community; the larger the pool. If you're not a member; the payment recourse is through homeowners and / or renter's insurance; though the cost is far more expensive and there are limitations as to what and how the coverage works.
But overall; it's cheaper than the current 'Public Service System' which will NEVER be reduced in cost - only in service. Lobbying the government would do no good; the unions have more money and more people with no lives other than to get their few bucks a day to act as mouth pieces, sign holders and agitators on their behalf. The rest of us have lives to lead, jobs to perform and that hobbles us right there.
Back to the private service - yes; if you're not a member and you can't show (somehow) the responders that you have adequate insurance to pay for the service - they'll let your house burn. This has happened. Those present and upon realizing WHY the house was left to burn - signed up for the policies the next day, so it wouldn't happen to them.
This is one way to get out from under a government controlled (and union directed) service and into a private sector one. Add to that - response times will improve. The volunteers will come from the neighborhood they're protecting. They won't live 80 miles away. They'll know the people to whom they are giving aid. Community Spirit.
It's too bad. Public Service used to be better; which is why they were allowed to replace the volunteer services.
When was the last time you saw a fireman get a cat out of a tree (just to cite an example)? It still happens in rural areas; but in larger communities like Los Angeles? They can't be bothered.
A volunteer service; being locally staffed; would go back to doing this. It would be 'neighborly' of them. That; plus all too often, they're sitting around the station doing a whole lotta nothing. With the Union controlled system; this is the preferred - actually, this is the RULE - way of doing things. With private sector - anything to relieve the boredom. Days could go by with nothing to do and those big paychecks are unearned. Too big for the few times that they're called upon to work. Perhaps the pay should be changed to reflect this. During the time spent sitting in the station playing cards; one pay rate. During the time they're on a call - a higher 'hazardous' pay rate. Log sheets - which are by law required to state the time and personnel involved in the response - would define the paycheck.
Implement that - all costs (labor, benefit, pension) costs would go down.
Food for thought.
Apology accepted but not necessary. I think we are on the same page. The sooner we can get out from under as much government the better. Your idea is a good idea; regular pay for living at the station and hazard pay for actually doing the work.
Firefighter

Pasadena, CA

#61 Jun 15, 2011
thatguy93550 wrote:
I think they get paid under what they should, but on the other hand some don't do what most do , but you get that in any field. so pay the wage and quite think they don't do anything..
Yes we should be paid more, but our unions got the best deal they could for us. We are really not complaining.

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