Note to the Sundancers: there are rul...

Note to the Sundancers: there are rules in Park City - The Park Record

There are 28 comments on the Park Record story from Jan 7, 2011, titled Note to the Sundancers: there are rules in Park City - The Park Record. In it, Park Record reports that:

City Hall has posted on its website a wide-ranging rundown of municipal rules and regulations that are important to people preparing to hold activities during the upcoming Sundance Film Festival, an attempt to inform outsiders of what can be tight restrictions on a variety of goings-on during the festival.

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Steve

Layton, UT

#1 Jan 11, 2011
Does the website include any information on the rights of local residents? Highly unlikely huh?

Sorry, I forgot the politically correct Sundance crowd does not consider any rights that wouldn't either make headlines or make them feel better.

DUMP SUNDANCE!!
Townie

Ogden, UT

#2 Jan 11, 2011
What rights would those be, Steve? You seem to have unmentioned issues with Sundance. Or is it visitors/guests in general? You know, the people that help keep this town alive.
Steve

Layton, UT

#3 Jan 11, 2011
Sundance does not keep this town alive, skiing keeps this town alive. Sundance only supports the local bars, eating establishments & lodging, many of whom collect untaxed cash revenues during Sundance.

Sundance is a feel good ego booster for the politically correct liberals in the PC basin.

Sundance creates more of a problem to the local residents than any “extra” taxes collected. Much of that extra revenue is offset by extra municipal costs.

Having Sundance in the middle of ski season is more moronic because that creates even more added municipal costs. If the local residents must endure without any opportunity to vote on it's continuation, at least changing the dates to post-ski season makes more sense.

If Summit county residents were allowed to vote on Sundance, do you think the small few that benefit would win that vote? NOT. It's my guess you would propose that only old-town residents get a vote, that way the few can continue to benefit at the expense of the many.
Townie

Ogden, UT

#4 Jan 12, 2011
You still didn't answer my question. What rights do Sundance attendees have that you don't or what is being taken away from you? I had a very short response which you seemed not to be able to read. I asked if you had issues with Sundance or "visitors/guests in general". And the following sentence refering to the guests/visitors as "the people that help keep this town alive." There was no inference that Sundance keeps this town alive; it is clearly a statement that the visitors/guests do so. So yes, skiing in particular is what keeps this town alive.

The American Film Festival, which became Sundance, was started to help draw visitors (skiers) to Park City when not many people had heard of it. I agree that under present conditions, it is unfortunate that it happens during (a now popular) ski season. I think it would be really tough to change dates as the international film community gets pretty locked into dates.

If we are to put it to a hypothetical vote, I would guess that most Summit County residents don't care, a few benefit, a few like to see the films, a few like to see the stars (god knows why), a few will always complain. All those residents in Pinebrook, Jeremy, Summit Park, Silver Creek, Highland/Trailside, not to mention Coalville, Kamas and the rest of the eastern county really have to "endure" Sundance. Get a grip on reality.
curious

South Jordan, UT

#5 Jan 12, 2011
Steve wrote:
Sundance does not keep this town alive, skiing keeps this town alive. Sundance only supports the local bars, eating establishments & lodging, many of whom collect untaxed cash revenues during Sundance.
Sundance is a feel good ego booster for the politically correct liberals in the PC basin.
Sundance creates more of a problem to the local residents than any “extra” taxes collected. Much of that extra revenue is offset by extra municipal costs.
Having Sundance in the middle of ski season is more moronic because that creates even more added municipal costs. If the local residents must endure without any opportunity to vote on it's continuation, at least changing the dates to post-ski season makes more sense.
If Summit county residents were allowed to vote on Sundance, do you think the small few that benefit would win that vote? NOT. It's my guess you would propose that only old-town residents get a vote, that way the few can continue to benefit at the expense of the many.
How is it you are so dramatically affected if you don't live in Old Town? Incidentally, Sundance brings in direct revenues of $80 million plus annually into the PC economy. I have an idea, lets dump Steve.
Steve

Layton, UT

#6 Jan 13, 2011
"All those residents in Pinebrook, Jeremy, Summit Park, Silver Creek, Highland/Trailside, not to mention Coalville, Kamas and the rest of the eastern county really have to endure Sundance."
That sure sounds like the few can continue to benefit at the expense of the many. I guess that point was sure proven.

"I think it would be really tough to change dates as the international film community gets pretty locked into dates" - so they dictate to the Park City community when we can and can not do something in our community? That sounds fair - duh!

Curious - state your source of the "$80 million annual revenue" - without smoke & mirrors
curious

South Jordan, UT

#7 Jan 13, 2011
Steve wrote:
"All those residents in Pinebrook, Jeremy, Summit Park, Silver Creek, Highland/Trailside, not to mention Coalville, Kamas and the rest of the eastern county really have to endure Sundance."
That sure sounds like the few can continue to benefit at the expense of the many. I guess that point was sure proven.
"I think it would be really tough to change dates as the international film community gets pretty locked into dates" - so they dictate to the Park City community when we can and can not do something in our community? That sounds fair - duh!
Curious - state your source of the "$80 million annual revenue" - without smoke & mirrors
The University of Utah does an economic impact analysis of the festival yearly. It is sponsored by the Governors Office of Economic Development. Check it out, no smoke, no mirrors, just facts. Unlike your rhetoric.
Townie

South Jordan, UT

#8 Jan 14, 2011
Steve wrote:
"All those residents in Pinebrook, Jeremy, Summit Park, Silver Creek, Highland/Trailside, not to mention Coalville, Kamas and the rest of the eastern county really have to endure Sundance."
That sure sounds like the few can continue to benefit at the expense of the many. I guess that point was sure proven.
"I think it would be really tough to change dates as the international film community gets pretty locked into dates" - so they dictate to the Park City community when we can and can not do something in our community? That sounds fair - duh!
Curious - state your source of the "$80 million annual revenue" - without smoke & mirrors
I guess sarcasm is lost on you as well. In addition to not answering questions, you fail to state how everybody outside of Old Town is affected. should I have put a question mark after listing numerous subdivisions and other parts of the County?

And, yes, Sundance does get to dictate the schedule. If we don't like it, we don't have to renew the contract when it comes up next.
Steve

Layton, UT

#9 Jan 14, 2011
How is everyone outside Old Town effected? Are you kidding? You want a list? Traffic stopped all the way in to town (if it doesn't snow, in that case traffic stops on I-80). We can't go to the ski resorts, we can't get to WORK if we have to commute. We can't go to the stores to buy food, can't get to the post office and on and on and on.

It’s funny how the old town hypocrites think. On the one hand you’re opposed to a development dedicated to military families (I don’t understand that story and I don’t think anyone really knows what’s up there) because of the overcrowding, traffic and over development (and I agree in theory). But this development really will not affect old-town, right?

On the other hand your fanatically support Sundance which brings with it overcrowding, traffic congestion, added pollution, and (temporarily) decreases revenues to one of the counties main income sources, the ski resorts.

You don’t want the government investing millions, but you don’t mind Sundance wasting millions .... as long as the small few benefit.

The bottom line is I guess it all depends on who profits the most, and environmental and quality of living concerns are someone else’s problems as long as you profit.

That's reality.
Townie

Ogden, UT

#10 Jan 14, 2011
I didn't realize the entirety of the Snyderville Basin and Summit County drives on SR 224 (again, that is sarcasm). In spite of the moniker "Townie" I don't live in Old Town. The name is a reference to the movie "Breaking Away" where the residents were called "townies" or "cutters" by the itinerant university kids (much like our skier or Sundance visitors). I chose to work in the town that I live and find commuting abhorent. I have always been able to get to work, shop, go to the post office, and ski during Sundance. I don't "fanatically support Sundance" but I can live with it for 10 days out of 365. Since I know when it's coming, I could also leave for a vacation to skip it altogether. I ride the bus and wish more people did, especially Sundancers; I ride a bike even in winter. Before you go throwing out labels like "Old Town hypocrit" be more aware of whom you speak.

How is it that Sundance "wastes millions"? Are all the parties etc. necessary? No. But many (not just a few and not just in Old Town) local businesses benefit from the spending of the Sundance crowd.

Your lack of knowledge about MIDA is both evident and appalling. The government won't invest millions; in fact they won't invest anything at all. That's why they want a development of up to 1.25 million square feet (that's more than every commercial building/development in Summit County combined) to supplement the cost to the military. And they would take all the sales tax and hotel tax generated for years further crippling the schools and County (not just Old Town). All the local businesses would be hurt, including possibly yours. This development is being foisted on Summit County by the state legislature and the military without going through proper local channels which could then mitigate the impacts of such a development.

You still have not answered what rights are being taken away from you or given to Sundance. The right to drive alone in your car at the speed limit? How about you use the bus.
Steve

Layton, UT

#11 Jan 14, 2011
Townie - I did answer your question, but I fully understand your perspective. In your world “rights” are defined as what your willing to provide other people, not necessarily what they consider their own personal “rights”. Your perfectly willing to sacrifice someone else’s quality of life for a short period of time as long as it’s doesn’t interfere with your sacred, and profitable (to you) Sundance film festival. That’s how you view other peoples "rights”.

Your also correct, I know nothing about the MIDA and how/when/who is involved in moving or stopping the project. After 20 years here I have seen numerous similar projects come and go. The matter of how they affect the local residents has never been a consideration. That bothers me but there is little I can do about it. It sounds like that bothers you too.

And that is my whole point with Sundance. Local hypocrites like you support both sides of the philosophical argument depending on if you are profiting or not. I agree that the MIDA project needs to be exposed, explained, modified and finally voted on by the Summit Country residents, because it will affect everyone. I think you agree also. Where we disagree is that, because you personally profit from Sundance, you DON’T agree that other Summit County residents have a right to vote on the events continuation, even though it affects everyone.
CA perverts on the way

Salt Lake City, UT

#12 Jan 14, 2011
Guard your wives and daughters. The CA perverts are coming once again to deflower our virgins. Remember all the sex parties last year before during and, after Sundance. It took me a week to recover. We must block the roads and stop these hollywood types from entering our pure and clean city. We must protect PC and make a stand against these private sex parties unless we all are invited equally and all given a chance at the hot babes not just the dogs.
Townie

Ogden, UT

#13 Jan 14, 2011
Steve:
Again you have made a broad assumption about me. I don't profit whether Sundance is here or not (or MIDA either), so stop calling me a hypocrit. The City and County sees a huge economic bump from Sundance. However, there are costs (quality of life, traffic, pollution, etc) as you have pointed out. Those are not necessarily "rights" as you want to define them. The elected officials in the City made an agreement with Sundance for 10(?) years a couple of years ago. If you and others like you see Sundance as a huge negative, contact your local officials. Complaining on an anonymous Comments Board does no good.
Steve

Layton, UT

#14 Jan 14, 2011
Townie - You have to be a politician or have spent way, way too much time with politicians. Based on your comments on other subjects you know that the local “officials” are in bed with the Sundance crowd (and certainly something smells worse than dead fish with the MIDA deal), and have been for years & years.

The right to vote on Sundance (and MIDA) is a right that should be afforded to all Summit County residents. We all know your friends would never ever allow that.
two cents

Salt Lake City, UT

#15 Jan 14, 2011
Steve wrote:
Townie - You have to be a politician or have spent way, way too much time with politicians. Based on your comments on other subjects you know that the local “officials” are in bed with the Sundance crowd (and certainly something smells worse than dead fish with the MIDA deal), and have been for years & years.
The right to vote on Sundance (and MIDA) is a right that should be afforded to all Summit County residents. We all know your friends would never ever allow that.
well then, you better start calling for a referendum. you can argue you all you want on some comment board that NO elected officials read. OR, you could actually exercise your RIGHTS and start a grassroots movement to bring the issue of sundance to a referendum.

that seems like a much better use of your time, rather than posting comments that will NEVER get to those in power in PC.
Townie

South Jordan, UT

#16 Jan 15, 2011
Steve:
Nope, not a politician. I've never held any elected or appointed position, even in grade school. Just a committed citizen of this community. If "being in bed" means honoring contracts then I guess you are right. Do you think every contract, every decision made by government should be voted on by the people? We have a representative democracy (if you haven't read the Constitution). You do have the right to petition your government (Bill of Rights). Why don't you exercise your actual rights?
you big dummy

Salt Lake City, UT

#17 Jan 15, 2011
Townie wrote:
Steve:
Nope, not a politician. I've never held any elected or appointed position, even in grade school. Just a committed citizen of this community. If "being in bed" means honoring contracts then I guess you are right. Do you think every contract, every decision made by government should be voted on by the people? We have a representative democracy (if you haven't read the Constitution). You do have the right to petition your government (Bill of Rights). Why don't you exercise your actual rights?
We lost our representative government as demostrated by the liberal democratic marxist pukes who pushed through the illegal and unconstitutional obamacare laws against the will of the people.
Steve

Layton, UT

#18 Jan 15, 2011
Townie - That is the point, we don't have any say in the matter regardless of our "rights". The sysytem is fixed by those who will gain the most.
Townie

South Jordan, UT

#19 Jan 15, 2011
Steve wrote:
Townie - That is the point, we don't have any say in the matter regardless of our "rights". The sysytem is fixed by those who will gain the most.
Really? Name each City and County Council member, their job, and how they benefit from this "fix". Do you vote? Do you attend Council meetings and voice your opinion? I would bet no. Yet you complain here where it does no good. Very sad.
Steve

Layton, UT

#20 Jan 15, 2011
Sad is a "committed citizen" who is perfectly willing to sacrifice his neighbors quality of life for their own needs.

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