Hogar Crea, regional drug rehab group, ripping itself apart

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Protesters massed outside the Hogar Crea house in Allentown on Wednesday as a battle for control of the drug and alcohol rehabilitation group, plagued for years by internal disputes and other problems, spilled ...
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yep

Whitehall, PA

#2 Apr 10, 2008
I would say that if an organization had to run without compitent proffessionals and if member believed they could just take what they wanted, they do become a threat to the surrounding communities.
Kooper

Johnstown, PA

#3 Apr 10, 2008
The whole belief that one has to have done drugs in order to provide quality care is B.S. Hmmmm...If I had cancer and the choice between two doctors, one of whom had cancer, but a lousy record, the other who never had cancer but a great cure rate, who would I go to? Hogar Crea is a scam, it has been from the beginning and very few people make it. Close it up and let the junkies do their time in jail, if that doesn't change them, nothing will.
news you cant use

Emmaus, PA

#4 Apr 10, 2008
who cares,its a cess pool that is imploding
Noname in Bethlehem

Brooklyn, NY

#5 Apr 10, 2008
Maybe they should run for the Bethlehem School Board
woof

Bethlehem, PA

#6 Apr 10, 2008
They could always go to Alcoholics Anonymous, which has a proven record of recovery for many years now...
LazyGoya

Telford, PA

#7 Apr 10, 2008
Who cares what they do, just sell me damn pie by Aharts on my way home.
Hoofty

United States

#8 Apr 10, 2008
I happen to somewhat agree with the statement, "If you didn't have a drug problem, you can't possibly help."

I agree with it on the basis of treatment. Kooper, if you have two cancer doctors who are of identical ratings, yet one is a cancer survivor, I would go to the survivor every single time.

With that being said, I don't agree with the "If you didn't have a drug problem, you can't possibly help" on the basis of running the facility. There are so many different issue that have to be dealt with in running a facility like that. Most people do not know those issues, are not educated in those issues and are not experienced enough to handle those issues.

If you want better care or you have issues with the treatment plan, then fine. If you have issues with the way the place is being run, be careful what you wish for.
Jonny

Bethlehem, PA

#9 Apr 10, 2008
Iím kind of curious. While shopping at Giant Foods on Union Blvd, I was behind three Hogar Crea members who where buying Ice, candy and gum and paying with an ACCESS card. Does belonging to Hogar Crea automatically let you get one of these ACCESS Cards, if so sign me up. If I can pay for my food with an ACCESS Card like the three of them did, then I could go out and buy me a pair of those $150.00 Sneakers and Expensive Clothes the three of them were wearing and maybe even some of the gold chains they had on. How the HELL does that make any sense?
just a simple mind

Bethlehem, PA

#10 Apr 10, 2008
Noname in Bethlehem wrote:
Maybe they should run for the Bethlehem School Board
They can't run... They would demand to be appointed!!!!
dko123

Bethlehem, PA

#11 Apr 10, 2008
Jonny wrote:
Iím kind of curious. While shopping at Giant Foods on Union Blvd, I was behind three Hogar Crea members who where buying Ice, candy and gum and paying with an ACCESS card. Does belonging to Hogar Crea automatically let you get one of these ACCESS Cards, if so sign me up. If I can pay for my food with an ACCESS Card like the three of them did, then I could go out and buy me a pair of those $150.00 Sneakers and Expensive Clothes the three of them were wearing and maybe even some of the gold chains they had on. How the HELL does that make any sense?
remember they are "in treatment" which does not mean they are not doing / selling drugs just "trying" to find out how to stop?!? Also why is anyone shocked that a bunch of junkies are creating all this drama and blaming "the man"? Isnt that what junkies do?
Jonny

Bethlehem, PA

#12 Apr 10, 2008
dko123 wrote:
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remember they are "in treatment" which does not mean they are not doing / selling drugs just "trying" to find out how to stop?!? Also why is anyone shocked that a bunch of junkies are creating all this drama and blaming "the man"? Isnt that what junkies do?
Got it! so your saying they are moonlighting to make the extra money for the bling.
Skeptical

York, PA

#14 Apr 10, 2008
It would be interesting to see how Hogar Crea's success rate compares to competently managed drug treatment centers. I've always suspected this place was lining someone or several peoples pockets.
Whitehall

Fairport, NY

#15 Apr 10, 2008
If you don't like how the place is run, start your own place!
Skeptical

York, PA

#16 Apr 10, 2008
I checked out Hogar Crea LV financial statements on guidestar and here's what I find out. The organization had over $700k in revenue in 2007 and more than $250 went to general and administrative expenses. To be considered well managed nonprofit organizations should spend at leastt 90% of their revenue on program expenses. One thing that stood out to me on their financial statements was that they paid over $25,000 in 2007 for telephone?
Skeptical

York, PA

#17 Apr 10, 2008
Correction to the above. It should read $250K. Not $250.
simply ask

United States

#19 Apr 10, 2008
muslim friend of mine. entered that program and was told to renounce islam and becaome a Christian. He told me of military style torture tactics used to change behavior. This was in the late 1990's.
monkey pumper

United States

#21 Apr 10, 2008
i love seeing them on the corners in south bethlehem sellin flan just who i want to buy from yummie junkies makin food bet they have strick guidelines in the kitchen

Since: Jan 08

Philadelphia, PA

#22 Apr 10, 2008
Wow, so the one protester is claiming that being director of Hogar Crea is the first job in history where previous drug use is a REQUIREMENT.

And, its good to see all these drug addicts and drunks have all this free time run these protests. Guess they didnt get jobs yet, huh.

Since: Feb 08

Allentown

#24 Apr 10, 2008
I've always been skeptical of this group. It is almost like a cult. Im tired of them running around selling candy, cake, and garbage bags. Time for these people to get real treatment. I even heard allegations that some people pretend they are drug addicts to get the free housing and some cash incentives at the end of the program. Scam, scam, scam!
Sneekie Pete

Line Lexington, PA

#26 Apr 10, 2008
monkey pumper wrote:
i love seeing them on the corners in south bethlehem sellin flan just who i want to buy from yummie junkies makin food bet they have strick guidelines in the kitchen
That was my thought exactly when they had a booth last year selling kebabs at Musikfest. I would starve before I bought food from that stand.

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