Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 In The Works: What Do You Think?

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M R Peabody

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Jan 2, 2013
 
The last one was an admitted disappointment and its results were very inconclusive. Criminals don't just stay home because a certain kind of weapon isn't readily available. They switch. What will we do? Ban every kind of weapon on the market? That appears to be the aim (pun fully intended) of the anti-gun lobby.

http://assaultweaponsbanof2013.blogspot.com

Refer also to the excellent work by Professor Gary Kleck, PhD, who's done extensive research work for the US Department of Justice

"Targeting Guns: Firearms And Their Control", by Kleck, Gary, Professor in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice, Florida State University, Aldine de Gruyter Publishing, Hawthorne, NY, 1997. See also

"Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America", Kleck, Gary, Ibid. 1991.
Ribzilla

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Jan 2, 2013
 

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The name says it all "assault weapons". When you "assault" something, you're on the offensive, not the defensive.

Look, you simply don't need an assault weapon with an uber high-capacity clip in order to defend your home. The people who buy these things are delusional and paranoid, and they generally have an unreasonable assessment of potential danger.

You want to protect your home? Buy a 12 gague semi-auto...that's all you need.

Believe me, if the Chinese make it to your doorstep, your crappy little AK-47 isn't going to stop them...but it will hurt when they insert it up your ass.
crashjr

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Jan 2, 2013
 
But Ribzilla, who gave it the name "Assault weapon", that name is a name politicians gave it to make it sound scary.
My ar-15 is not assault weapon, it is a firearm and will never be an assault weapon. I use mine for general fun shooting, hunting and feral hog control. I don't really need a 30rd magazine but when doing hog control, I do need more than 10rds at times.
I don't have a problem discussing these things but when people start off with the name "assault weapon" we are already starting off bad.

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Jan 3, 2013
 

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crashjr wrote:
But Ribzilla, who gave it the name "Assault weapon", that name is a name politicians gave it to make it sound scary.
My ar-15 is not assault weapon, it is a firearm and will never be an assault weapon. I use mine for general fun shooting, hunting and feral hog control. I don't really need a 30rd magazine but when doing hog control, I do need more than 10rds at times.
I don't have a problem discussing these things but when people start off with the name "assault weapon" we are already starting off bad.
The problem is that the general public doesn't buy that a rifle with a 30+ shot capacity, laser sights and flash supressor is a "defensive" weapon.

And you cannot blame them.
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Jan 3, 2013
 
Crash is correct. Actual "assault" weapons are illegal fully automatic firearms that are available only to the military and law enforcement.

What the media mis-portrays as assault weapons are actually legal, semi-automatic firearms. They look a little different, but function exactly the same as an ordinary sporting rifle that would be used to hunt game such as deer.

They are used for hunting, target shooting, and in various structured competitions. For more information see your local rod and gun club or rifle range.

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Crash is correct. Actual "assault" weapons are illegal fully automatic firearms that are available only to the military and law enforcement.
What the media mis-portrays as assault weapons are actually legal, semi-automatic firearms. They look a little different, but function exactly the same as an ordinary sporting rifle that would be used to hunt game such as deer.
They are used for hunting, target shooting, and in various structured competitions. For more information see your local rod and gun club or rifle range.
No, they're not the same as an ordinary sporting rifle. An ordinary "sporting rifle" doesn't hold 30+ rounds, have laser sights or a flash-supressor.

If they're the same weapons, then why not just buy a 30-30 and use that?
crashjr

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Jan 3, 2013
 
Okay let me ask this question,

If I have an ar-15 that has iron sights, not a laser sight, no flash suppressor, no collapsible stock, 20rd mag, a pistol grip and is black, is this still an "assault weapon"?

That describes the firearm I have when I use it for most things, when I hunt deer, I change the upper out to a 6.8 with a scope, which is close to .270 which is good for hunting deer in my area and don't have more than 5rds when I hunt deer.I really like it because I have an AR lower that fits me well and can change the uppers out to fit the need.

If they made a 30-30 in a semiautomatic with a 10rd mag and a pistol grip I would probably buy but I don't really like a 30-30 for hunting deer.

Here is a link to what mine basically looks like
in a .223/5.56 setup

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/AR1...

He is basically what it looks like when I hunt deer with 6.8

http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/kru...
Ribzilla

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crashjr wrote:
Okay let me ask this question,
If I have an ar-15 that has iron sights, not a laser sight, no flash suppressor, no collapsible stock, 20rd mag, a pistol grip and is black, is this still an "assault weapon"?
That describes the firearm I have when I use it for most things, when I hunt deer, I change the upper out to a 6.8 with a scope, which is close to .270 which is good for hunting deer in my area and don't have more than 5rds when I hunt deer.I really like it because I have an AR lower that fits me well and can change the uppers out to fit the need.
If they made a 30-30 in a semiautomatic with a 10rd mag and a pistol grip I would probably buy but I don't really like a 30-30 for hunting deer.
Here is a link to what mine basically looks like
in a .223/5.56 setup
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/AR1...
He is basically what it looks like when I hunt deer with 6.8
http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/kru...
WTF do you need 20 rounds for?

Seriously...do you have teen wiener or something?
crashjr

Houston, TX

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Jan 3, 2013
 
I didn't say I need 20rds, I said a 20rd mag. If magazine ban was put in place and 10rd mag were the only thing I could legally use then that is what I would use. When I bought my ar-15, they let me trade the 30rd that came with it for 2 20rd mags. The mag size ban bother me that much, what bother me is that some would want to ban something on it's looks not it's function.

How about this gun?
http://www.vincelewis.net/myimages66/pink.jpg

Is this one scary do we need to ban it?

I don't think I have a tiny wiener, if you want I can show it to you and you can decide if it is or not.
crashjr

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Jan 4, 2013
 
How about this,
lets say feinstein's AWB pass with a no grandfathering clause, you still continue to have mass shootings with 33% or 50% less killed and the shooters legally obtained the firearms. Do you create another ban to ban the guns that were used this time or do you stand back and think maybe there is something else besides the guns.

It is a great tragedy that these shootings happen but why do we focus on guns every time a mass shooting happens? Why do we not focus on other things when those other things kill just as many people if not more?

Here are three rifles, all the same ruger 10/22 rimfire rifle, all function the exact same way, use the same 10rd magazine.

first picture still legal after new AWB
http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac18/Oldw/...

second picture illegal
http://www.eabco.com/Ruger_10_22_Images/Ruger...

third picture illegal
http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploa...

Here is some more, three pistols that all operate exactly the same, all three use the same 10rd mag, two are illegal because of their threaded barrel
http://www.ruger.com/products/2245/images/Ind...

I think your average gun owner like me is willing to discuss meaningful gun laws but to ban some thing based on how it looks and not it's lethalness is just crazy.
Ribzilla

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Jan 4, 2013
 
"It is a great tragedy that these shootings happen but why do we focus on guns every time a mass shooting happens?..."

Because there are no "mass stabbings".

Don't be an idiot.
Xthor

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Jan 4, 2013
 
Ribzilla wrote:
Because there are no "mass stabbings".
Don't be an idiot.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/12/14...

We can have a rational discussion without hurling insults, right? I don't agree with you at all, but I don't need to demean you to make my point.

And as far as your assertion that I don't "need" my AR... That's not the point at all. The 2nd amendment is about preventing the government disarming the people, IMHO.
crashjr

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Jan 4, 2013
 
Okay, let me make sure I'm on the same page with you Ribzilla,

If 100 people die in a year in 4 mass shootings, 100 people die a year in 100 stabbings and 100 people die a year from alcohol related crashes, the same amount of people died but from your side of the argument the other peoples lives are not worth looking into banning knives or alcohol? What if someone stalked 20 kids and 7 adults and killed them with a knife in a 12 hour period, would that be considered a mass killing? Would we start looking at a ban on scary looking knives? No we would not, we would say he/she was a sick individual and then move on.
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Jan 5, 2013
 
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No, they're not the same as an ordinary sporting rifle. An ordinary "sporting rifle" doesn't hold 30+ rounds, have laser sights or a flash-supressor.
If they're the same weapons, then why not just buy a 30-30 and use that?
Any firearm can be fitted with various accessories. Electronic sights can be fitted to any gun just like a regular optical scope can. So can a bipod, or a larger magazine.

The crazed paranoia about black rifles comes solely from their cosmetic appearance. Take the wooden stock off your 30-30 and fir it with tactical accessories and you would be saying exactly the same thing about it and you would be just as wrong.
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Jan 5, 2013
 
Ribzilla wrote:
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WTF do you need 20 rounds for?
You don't for most purposes. A large magazine would only get in the way in the woods. Ten round is plenty.

There are timed shooting competitions where you fire from various positions in close succession. That's where you might want a bigger clip.
Bernard Continelli

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Jan 5, 2013
 
I don't own one - I too have always felt that a shotgun is adequate for the real-life 'Dicks and Perrys'(of "In Cold Blood" fame), and that such semi-auto versions of military rifles likewise would be suicide against an invading army or our own-turned-totalitarian.

At the same time I can't help thinking how Big Brother probably takes advantage of situations like Newtown and in some cases maybe even brainwashes some folks to commit such violent acts as 'paranoiac' as that sounds.

After all, the Illuminati secretly 'engineered' the Culture Wars since the 1980s, secretly turning all Republicans / Conservatives ultra-reactionary (as opposed to libertarian-bent as they briefly started to be in the 1970s) while SIMULTANEOUSLY encouraging liberals to be ultra-politically correct and "stereotypically outrageous".

For example they encouraged gay men to be promiscuous starting with the 'Village People' generation and are currently encouraging them to be outrageously flamboyant instead of normal-demeanored gay types like Anderson Cooper.

Same goes for the post-1980s / Nancy Reagan-era marijuana-legalization movement when they deliberately infiltrated the movement with New Agey-type hippie freaks (e.g. smug, militant, uber-vegans) who distrust ALL "synthetic" meds - even longtime proven ones with no bad side effects - as well as the whole 'bad boy', gansta-rapper image.

Both "fringe" groups would be better behaved and demeanored today were it not for their influence and the aforementioned character descriptions are not truly 'inherent' for either group, but rather media-manufactured stereotypes.

While I don't have any proof that anyone was brainwashed to randomly murder, I am utterly convinced that their influence in the American Right and 'fringe' groups alike was very real, so therefore I wouldn't put it past them to do so.
rec13

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Jan 10, 2013
 
A man stabbed 22 children and 1 adult at a elementary school in china the day before the sandy hook shooting. Yet somehow most americans probably didnt hear about this because the media and government want to scare us into thinking the guns are the problem. it is sad how our government can use a tragedy to try to pass some b.s. laws when the guns obviously arent the problem. Lets help these mentally unstable people and give them the resources to better themselves because sane people do not go on killing sprees. I feel as sad as anyone about what happened but i think that our country needs to change the way we are raising our children and look at all the violence drugs and sex in the news movies and games that our babies are watching and playing daily. We have become a nation numb to murder due to seeing them everyday. Whether in real life on the news or made up in movies and games. The people doing these shootings/stabbings have a history of bad mental health being outcasts and didnt get the help they needed. Lets help these people and our nation.

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A man stabbed 22 children and 1 adult at a elementary school in china the day before the sandy hook shooting. Yet somehow most americans probably didnt hear about this because the media and government want to scare us into thinking the guns are the problem. it is sad how our government can use a tragedy to try to pass some b.s. laws when the guns obviously arent the problem. Lets help these mentally unstable people and give them the resources to better themselves because sane people do not go on killing sprees. I feel as sad as anyone about what happened but i think that our country needs to change the way we are raising our children and look at all the violence drugs and sex in the news movies and games that our babies are watching and playing daily. We have become a nation numb to murder due to seeing them everyday. Whether in real life on the news or made up in movies and games. The people doing these shootings/stabbings have a history of bad mental health being outcasts and didnt get the help they needed. Lets help these people and our nation.
Here's the difference...NOT ONE OF THOSE 22 KIDS DIED. You know why? Because the guy didn't have assault weapon. If he had been carry an AK or AR, those kids would be dead now.

It's time to grown up and stop playing soldier. It's time to be a little less selfish.
Ribzilla

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Jan 14, 2013
 
Don't need some gonzo gun owner with an assault weapon gunningfor me and Hingle as we take his 7 year old boy down like a gazelle and feast on him.
Bob

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There is a lot of misinformation floating around, concerning the violent nature of Americans due to easy access to firearms. Consider this, if you take all miorities out of the equation, the USA has the same murder rate as Belguim. TRUE

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