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car007

Florence, KY

#1 Jul 5, 2014
I have been reading issues from several other cities and states as it relates to government being involved in improper behaviors and or practices. It seems many of them are taking the same position, just as Brown County and the Ohio Attorney Generals Office / BCI.....

That being, do little or nothing and keep the investigation on hold until enough pressure is put on them, forcing them somewhat to do their job. One must ask themselves, is this the type of people you want running your government ? I suppose if your one who doesn't want to ever be held accountable for bad behaviors, this would be a great place to be.

However, that is not what our founding fathers intended for us and our country in my opinion.

No, I am not suggesting everything is a conspiracy either.. Its FAR from that, I would equate it more as " criminal like " !

Interesting, this trend.. Seems like the politicians have learned, they DO control the people. it is NOT the people who control them.

Does anyone else find this scary ???? Wasn't there a book many years ago that addressed this ?

Just wanted to share some thoughts and remind all, do NOT forget who did what TO YOU in Brown County, at the polls this upcoming election ! Cannot wait to show my pride and bring things alive !!

Some have died, but their cases are very much alive and I sense there will be some who will be squirming like whores in a church on election day ! That is unless, an implosion occurs prior to the election.

Unity ONLY can exist, where Honest Men Walk !!!
Terry

Williamsburg, OH

#2 Jul 5, 2014
Please name one honest elected official in Brown county.
Gus

Williamsburg, OH

#3 Jul 5, 2014
Terry wrote:
Please name one honest elected official in Brown county.
I don't believe there are any besides the coroner.
Gus

Williamsburg, OH

#4 Jul 5, 2014
car007 wrote:
I have been reading issues from several other cities and states as it relates to government being involved in improper behaviors and or practices. It seems many of them are taking the same position, just as Brown County and the Ohio Attorney Generals Office / BCI.....
That being, do little or nothing and keep the investigation on hold until enough pressure is put on them, forcing them somewhat to do their job. One must ask themselves, is this the type of people you want running your government ? I suppose if your one who doesn't want to ever be held accountable for bad behaviors, this would be a great place to be.
However, that is not what our founding fathers intended for us and our country in my opinion.
No, I am not suggesting everything is a conspiracy either.. Its FAR from that, I would equate it more as " criminal like " !
Interesting, this trend.. Seems like the politicians have learned, they DO control the people. it is NOT the people who control them.
Does anyone else find this scary ???? Wasn't there a book many years ago that addressed this ?
Just wanted to share some thoughts and remind all, do NOT forget who did what TO YOU in Brown County, at the polls this upcoming election ! Cannot wait to show my pride and bring things alive !!
Some have died, but their cases are very much alive and I sense there will be some who will be squirming like whores in a church on election day ! That is unless, an implosion occurs prior to the election.
Unity ONLY can exist, where Honest Men Walk !!!
Why hasn't the prosecutor brought charges to the Grand Jury for the murder in the jail?
The tapes were taped over and the sprinkler heads were removed. Who was there and who let the tapes to be taped over, don't they remove them in the morning shift and put a new one in and save the other for a period of time? How long are the supposed to be saved? do all of the policies in the BCSO need to be changed or just the personal? Why were the sprinkler heads removed when there was an investigation going on and still is going on? The person who removed them needs to be fired and put in prison. It appears that Schadle runs the BCSO so what does the sheriff do? Go to church and say Hail Mary's?
car007

Florence, KY

#5 Jul 5, 2014
Gus wrote:
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Why hasn't the prosecutor brought charges to the Grand Jury for the murder in the jail?
The tapes were taped over and the sprinkler heads were removed. Who was there and who let the tapes to be taped over, don't they remove them in the morning shift and put a new one in and save the other for a period of time? How long are the supposed to be saved? do all of the policies in the BCSO need to be changed or just the personal? Why were the sprinkler heads removed when there was an investigation going on and still is going on? The person who removed them needs to be fired and put in prison. It appears that Schadle runs the BCSO so what does the sheriff do? Go to church and say Hail Mary's?


This is my point, where is the accountability, how is it, anywhere else in the state of Ohio, this would have been dealt with much differently.

WHY is it,,, BCI has NOT either released a report and or closed the cases in question ?

WHY is it, NO other agency within the state or federal government have stepped up and become involved ?

WHAT is it about this little Brown County Ohio that appears to be off limits for outside investigations etc ? Is it a situation of someone being in bed with someone ? Is it a situation of crime and corruption that involves others from higher levels of government ?

NO, I am NOT a conspiracy believer, but I am surely NOT as stupid to believe, things are done in accordance with the Laws of the Land as outlined in the Ohio Constitution as well, Federal.

We watch 60 minutes and such shows that break things wide open. With all that has gone on and for so long, one would think, one of these show producers would find this a worthy story to present. Perhaps someone could look into this. They have lots of money and other resources to bring things out of the closet, you know ?
car007

Florence, KY

#6 Jul 5, 2014
Gus wrote:
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Why hasn't the prosecutor brought charges to the Grand Jury for the murder in the jail?
The tapes were taped over and the sprinkler heads were removed. Who was there and who let the tapes to be taped over, don't they remove them in the morning shift and put a new one in and save the other for a period of time? How long are the supposed to be saved? do all of the policies in the BCSO need to be changed or just the personal? Why were the sprinkler heads removed when there was an investigation going on and still is going on? The person who removed them needs to be fired and put in prison. It appears that Schadle runs the BCSO so what does the sheriff do? Go to church and say Hail Mary's?
I do have a question regarding the sprinkler/s head/s being removed ? Why ? They were evidence of a death as alleged by the jailers. If they were removed because their integrity was compromised, they were still evidence and part of an investigation..... and..
If the sprinklers were broke, they would have produced water from the pipes above.

Was there evidence of water in the cell or on the body ? Was the water clean or dirty as would be from sitting stagnant in a pipe? What type of pipe was used for this automatic sprinkler system ? Did the Coroner find the body to be wet from the sprinkler water or at the autopsy ? Water from black iron is very dirty and stinks, one would think that if the sprinkler fused out, these things would be indicated on a report ?

How many sprinkler heads were used for this alleged hanging ? Being they are spaced apart approx. 7 feet ? How many heads were removed and why and.......... how long was this bedsheet ?
Gus

Williamsburg, OH

#7 Jul 6, 2014
car007 wrote:
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I do have a question regarding the sprinkler/s head/s being removed ? Why ? They were evidence of a death as alleged by the jailers. If they were removed because their integrity was compromised, they were still evidence and part of an investigation..... and..
If the sprinklers were broke, they would have produced water from the pipes above.
Was there evidence of water in the cell or on the body ? Was the water clean or dirty as would be from sitting stagnant in a pipe? What type of pipe was used for this automatic sprinkler system ? Did the Coroner find the body to be wet from the sprinkler water or at the autopsy ? Water from black iron is very dirty and stinks, one would think that if the sprinkler fused out, these things would be indicated on a report ?
How many sprinkler heads were used for this alleged hanging ? Being they are spaced apart approx. 7 feet ? How many heads were removed and why and.......... how long was this bedsheet ?
The jailers who said he was hanging from the sprinkler lied, because the sprinkler will only hold 40 Lbs. of weight then the break and water goes everywhere. The floors of the jail were not wet. So we have liars that said they removed him then put cuffs on him before giving him CPR. Is this something everyone needs to do before giving CPR? Like he was going to go any place with the guards there if he was revived. So how can you give someone CPR with his cuffs behind his back with the sheet still around his neck? Does anyone know who administered the CPR? Do they have a CPR card?

There are more question a good investigator would want answered, but were they asked?
This death smells like week old fish to me. It seems BCI is trying to cover this death up to protect the BCSO and all those involved. It does not take this long to solve this case.

Why were the sprinkler heads removed and who had them removed? Think about it, Chief Schadle had them removed and his son was a CO at the jail that night. Now who would that be protecting? And the video tapes just happened to be taped over? Right. No that is incompetence by the BCSO person in charge. Wonder who that was? Schadle?
wondering

Batavia, OH

#8 Jul 6, 2014
According to bci, their investigation has been complete for over a month.At which point a special prosecutor should have reviewed the evidence and presented it to a grand jury. However, apparently this special prosecutor has better things to do and still has not even reviewed the case. I call bullshit..
car007

Florence, KY

#9 Jul 6, 2014
wondering wrote:
According to bci, their investigation has been complete for over a month.At which point a special prosecutor should have reviewed the evidence and presented it to a grand jury. However, apparently this special prosecutor has better things to do and still has not even reviewed the case. I call bullshit..
WHO is this " Special Prosecutor " and WHO appointed them ??
car007

Florence, KY

#10 Jul 6, 2014
Gus wrote:
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The jailers who said he was hanging from the sprinkler lied, because the sprinkler will only hold 40 Lbs. of weight then the break and water goes everywhere. The floors of the jail were not wet. So we have liars that said they removed him then put cuffs on him before giving him CPR. Is this something everyone needs to do before giving CPR? Like he was going to go any place with the guards there if he was revived. So how can you give someone CPR with his cuffs behind his back with the sheet still around his neck? Does anyone know who administered the CPR? Do they have a CPR card?
There are more question a good investigator would want answered, but were they asked?
This death smells like week old fish to me. It seems BCI is trying to cover this death up to protect the BCSO and all those involved. It does not take this long to solve this case.
Why were the sprinkler heads removed and who had them removed? Think about it, Chief Schadle had them removed and his son was a CO at the jail that night. Now who would that be protecting? And the video tapes just happened to be taped over? Right. No that is orincompetence by the BCSO person in charge. Wonder who that was? Schadle?
Gus, I have already given this a lot of thought. Still trying to picture one sheet and 2 or more sprinkler heads in this scenario. It isn't happening in my wildest imagination much less my professional knowledge. Seeing would be the closest to believing and I cant wrap anything around the remote possibilities, at all ! If a sprinkler head is spaced at 7'6" apart in distance, I cannot see more than one sprinkler being used, if at all; soo why were more than one sprinkler heads removed ? I cannot imagine a sheet being stretched between two sprinkler heads and have ANY integrity to allow the forces necessary to facilitate a hanging. Just cannot see it being possible. IF that's what the BCSO has said happened ??

I would love to read the report they filed and talk with the Squadsman who arrived at the jail,

Regardless of any and all possibilities, the removal of what would be evidence or NOT securing it is simply a CRIMINAL OFFENSE in the state of ohio. Ignorance has NEVER been an affirmative defense in such cases to my knowledge.
Gus

Williamsburg, OH

#11 Jul 6, 2014
car007, that cell only has 1 sprinkler head, the same as the others removed, 1per cell were removed to confuse the issue. Why would just 1 be replaced when they were all the same type? That one was not set off or did not a leak so why was it along with the others replaced? There is only one reason why the one was replaced, the others were removed so no one could see what they had and were destroyed, by the one and only chief deputy.

What would be the reason to remove the sprinkler head if it was not damaged? What would be on the sprinkler head that would implicate someone?

Are these the type of officers the people of Brown County want working for the BCSO? Can any of those people be trusted to tell the truth about anything? Can the prosecutor remember all the lies she has told or all the cases she did not file on because she did not want to, when the law says she SHALL file on those brought to her, not may file. That is dereliction of her duty.

Goldson was promised a party when he got back to the jail and the officers let it get out of hand. The officers who made all the remarks on the hospital lawn should be removed from their jobs. How does the public know they won't loose the cool again? The next person could be one of their family members. The Sheriff was not smart enough to put his personal on paid leave, what a joke he is. He is as much a part of the cover-up as the people who committed the crime as they were under his command. Doesn't he know what his men do or are capable of doing?
Terry

Williamsburg, OH

#12 Jul 7, 2014
car007 wrote:
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Gus, I have already given this a lot of thought. Still trying to picture one sheet and 2 or more sprinkler heads in this scenario. It isn't happening in my wildest imagination much less my professional knowledge. Seeing would be the closest to believing and I cant wrap anything around the remote possibilities, at all ! If a sprinkler head is spaced at 7'6" apart in distance, I cannot see more than one sprinkler being used, if at all; soo why were more than one sprinkler heads removed ? I cannot imagine a sheet being stretched between two sprinkler heads and have ANY integrity to allow the forces necessary to facilitate a hanging. Just cannot see it being possible. IF that's what the BCSO has said happened ??
I would love to read the report they filed and talk with the Squadsman who arrived at the jail,
Regardless of any and all possibilities, the removal of what would be evidence or NOT securing it is simply a CRIMINAL OFFENSE in the state of ohio. Ignorance has NEVER been an affirmative defense in such cases to my knowledge.
If BCI can not do the job properly the Attorney General should hire all new people that are qualified to do the job right.

If you look at the sconce (covering the sprinkler) that the knot was tied on it will make you wonder how it would hold any weight. Look at the picture the news team had on their web site.
Who cares

United States

#13 Jul 8, 2014
Don't do dumb shit 2 get in jail and u wouldn't have 2 worry bout some cop chokin ya out! Just stupid shit
Gus

Williamsburg, OH

#14 Jul 8, 2014
Who cares wrote:
Don't do dumb shit 2 get in jail and u wouldn't have 2 worry bout some cop chokin ya out! Just stupid shit
Doing dumb shit does not give the officers the right to kill anyone in jail. That is against his civil rights and yours as well.
car007

Florence, KY

#15 Jul 8, 2014
Gus wrote:
car007, that cell only has 1 sprinkler head, the same as the others removed, 1per cell were removed to confuse the issue. Why would just 1 be replaced when they were all the same type? That one was not set off or did not a leak so why was it along with the others replaced? There is only one reason why the one was replaced, the others were removed so no one could see what they had and were destroyed, by the one and only chief deputy.
What would be the reason to remove the sprinkler head if it was not damaged? What would be on the sprinkler head that would implicate someone?
Are these the type of officers the people of Brown County want working for the BCSO? Can any of those people be trusted to tell the truth about anything? Can the prosecutor remember all the lies she has told or all the cases she did not file on because she did not want to, when the law says she SHALL file on those brought to her, not may file. That is dereliction of her duty.
Goldson was promised a party when he got back to the jail and the officers let it get out of hand. The officers who made all the remarks on the hospital lawn should be removed from their jobs. How does the public know they won't loose the cool again? The next person could be one of their family members. The Sheriff was not smart enough to put his personal on paid leave, what a joke he is. He is as much a part of the cover-up as the people who committed the crime as they were under his command. Doesn't he know what his men do or are capable of doing?
Gus, as I see it; as long as there is something in it for everyone, silence is paid for automatically. SURELY, they all cover each other up, but there is ALWAYS that one person, one time who feels cheated...That will be the one who sings ! Probably just a matter of time.
I do believe you could take the sum total of all of them and not get any more intelligence than would be equal to a classroom of 5th graders. I simply cannot equate the corruption in Brown County to the level of what Corporate or White Collar Crime would be; the intelligence level just IS NOT there !
car007

Florence, KY

#16 Jul 8, 2014
Who cares wrote:
Don't do dumb shit 2 get in jail and u wouldn't have 2 worry bout some cop chokin ya out! Just stupid shit
I agree with you 100%! So, killing a prisoner is NOT " Dumb Shit " ? Or, choking one ? If you are NOT capable of doing your job in a civilized and legal manner, GET OUT of it ! Nobody needs your justice or your way of thinking ! YOU or They did NOT do the citizens of Brown County ANY favors !!!!!!
Gus

Williamsburg, OH

#17 Jul 8, 2014
car007 wrote:
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Gus, as I see it; as long as there is something in it for everyone, silence is paid for automatically. SURELY, they all cover each other up, but there is ALWAYS that one person, one time who feels cheated...That will be the one who sings ! Probably just a matter of time.
I do believe you could take the sum total of all of them and not get any more intelligence than would be equal to a classroom of 5th graders. I simply cannot equate the corruption in Brown County to the level of what Corporate or White Collar Crime would be; the intelligence level just IS NOT there !
I think channel 9 news team needs to get back on investigating the jail murder, as BCI has taken 9 months and still has not done anything about the tampering with the sprinkler heads for a start.

Once BCI starts (but they have to start) the birds will all start singing.
car007

Florence, KY

#19 Jul 8, 2014
Gus wrote:
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I think channel 9 news team needs to get back on investigating the jail murder, as BCI has taken 9 months and still has not done anything about the tampering with the sprinkler heads for a start.
Once BCI starts (but they have to start) the birds will all start singing.
Gus, the problem with BCI is, they are a " state agency ", a government agency; one that concerns itself more with hiring the handicapped and minorities than those who are truly qualified for the positions. I personally know 2 BCI agents and I can assure you, neither of them would have their positions with BCI 25 years ago, when being qualified and having experience was a prerequisite for the job. Its more important to have color and or be a female to get a BCI appointment.

I honestly feel, had there been more qualified BCI personnel involved with the cases in Brown County, some of the issues would not exist. Not wishing to make the Prosecutor or BCSO sound smarter, but the blind was being lead by those who knew how to manipulate the inexperienced and once their boss discovered his agents were duped, you now have everyone just playing opossum. They will cross the " bridge of sigh's " when they are forced to.

Just too much embarrassment for the AG to handle right now. We shall see if it becomes an issue for him at election time.

“Anatole France is my hero.”

Since: Apr 14

St. Paul, MN

#20 Jul 9, 2014
Fun Fact: If a person "dies under questionable circumstances" in Ohio, the effort put forth to "solve the case" is directly proportional to that person's contribution ($) to society. If you do not believe me, check it it out. There is a saying in my profession (Dennis will like this), "I'ts not who you know. it's who you blow".
car007

Florence, KY

#21 Jul 9, 2014
Pud the Stud wrote:
Fun Fact: If a person "dies under questionable circumstances" in Ohio, the effort put forth to "solve the case" is directly proportional to that person's contribution ($) to society. If you do not believe me, check it it out. There is a saying in my profession (Dennis will like this), "I'ts not who you know. it's who you blow".
Everything in life and in death, has a price ! I also heard someone from the BCSO once say; if you suck one member, you are then known as a c__k sucker. I wonder who has that name bestowed upon them ? Just as the Chief Deputy said in court,,,, they do things differently in Brown County......

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