Hamersville Shooting
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car007

West Chester, OH

#1 May 28, 2014
The news I have watched has not been specific about what department was involved ? Was BCSO or Hamersville PD the shooter ? Any thoughts or knowledge from anyone ?
Susan

Cincinnati, OH

#2 May 28, 2014
The Hamersville PD was involved in the incident. Both officers are on leave right now. BCI, of course, is doing the investigation.
sluggers

United States

#3 May 28, 2014
Susan wrote:
The Hamersville PD was involved in the incident. Both officers are on leave right now. BCI, of course, is doing the investigation.
. Would be nice to have a sheriffs office since we are paying for one.
duh

Marengo, OH

#4 May 28, 2014
sluggers wrote:
<quoted text>. Would be nice to have a sheriffs office since we are paying for one.
They aren't doing the investigation due to a conflict of interest.
Susan

Cincinnati, OH

#5 May 29, 2014
duh wrote:
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They aren't doing the investigation due to a conflict of interest.
True. They'have a job to do and they don't want to do it. That's a conflict!
Sponge

Cincinnati, OH

#6 May 29, 2014
Wouldn't want the officer involved to be strung up because of politics.
Willy

Cincinnati, OH

#7 May 29, 2014
Sponge wrote:
Wouldn't want the officer involved to be strung up because of politics.
Can we trust BCI to do a honest investigation when they still haven't finished their investigation on the death in the jail?

I think they would cover up what ever they needed in order to make them look good and put the blame where someone can't talk.

I don't believe they can be trusted to present the truth to the public just like the press does.

car007

West Chester, OH

#8 May 29, 2014
Sponge wrote:
Wouldn't want the officer involved to be strung up because of politics.
The BCSO wouldn't know what a " real " conflict of interest was if it was staring them in the face ! Their willful and wanton disregard for the laws of the State of Ohio and U.S. Constitution are the only things they adhere to.

Well, as one old attorney told me years ago; if your going to willfully disregard the rules, be consistent in your application. The trial judge has not yet ruled on anything yet to my knowledge so I suppose it is business as USUAL for them until the judge tells them otherwise.

One just has to wonder why there is so much of this going in in Brown County Ohio ? If it continues trending like this, that deputy who sat on the stand under oath and said we do things differently in Brown County, might have to seriously learn how to practice Police Work differently.

and....... Just an observation......... the news I was watching last night interviewed a man by the name of Buddy Coburn ???? Said he was the Prosecutors Investigator ??? For some reason, I don't recall seeing or hearing anything about him in the last couple deaths in Brown County, why now ?? Does anyone know what type of training he has or experience in this ? Is this a " New Hire " ?

A new face on TV from Brown County,,,, where did that one deputy go who always appeared ? They couldn't be putting someone else in the " Hot Seat " , could they ?

Since, BCI was called, why was he there and NOT at the other death scenes ? Good ol fashioned Police Administration in Brown County,,,,,, Consistently Inconsistent !
car007

West Chester, OH

#9 May 29, 2014
duh wrote:
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They aren't doing the investigation due to a conflict of interest.
Who is Buddy Coburn and who does he work for ? What was he doing commenting as if he had already conducted somewhat of an investigation and was announced as the investigator from the Brown County Prosecutors Office ? Conflict of Interest ? You are either confused or I misunderstood you ?

Do ONLY certain people in Brown County Ohio get the assistance of the Prosecutors Office ?

Pitiful and Pathetic !!!!!!!!
Bud

Cincinnati, OH

#10 May 29, 2014
Buddy Coburn was Georgetown police chief for 10 years. Before that he was an investigator with the SO for 12 years. He was also an investigator for McKinly when he was coroner. He retired and is now an investigator for the prosecutor's office. His wife is the Hamersville clerk now. She was with the Georgetown police department, sheriff's office, and state highway patrol before that. They both work for the Georgetown police part time.
People are clueless

Mason, OH

#11 May 29, 2014
I can understand that people want equal justice for all in Brown County.I also understand the political agendas.I support officers of the law "GOOD OFFICERS".Trust me they are out there.I also support the Constitution and that justice should be equal for all and that individual rights should be protected. In saying that why not allow the FEDS to come in and do an independent investigation.They can investigate the jail death to determine if it was indeed a homicide, if civil rights were violated, interview people,review evidence, investigate corruption, e.t.c.An outside agency that would have no connection in politics,personal feelings,or personal relationships in the county.THIS SHOULD PLEASE ALL SIDES INVOLVED..the victims, the guilty, and all those in between.Again this is just my opinion..we all have them.
Willy

Cincinnati, OH

#12 May 29, 2014
The prosecutor picks and choses what she want to take to court. Her job duty's state that she shall and not that it is up to her to decide, "The prosecuting attorney shall prosecute, on behalf of the state, all complaints, suits, and controversies in which the state is a party".

Apparently she can't read. Wants to do what she wants to do. Who is she protecting? Who does she work for, herself or the public?

The county doesn't need the fines or money for the laws that have been broken? It is no wonder the Commissioners and the Sheriff can't get money to buy new patrol cars or a truck for the coroner.

Just how far up the ladder does the corruption go?
car007

West Chester, OH

#13 May 29, 2014
Bud wrote:
Buddy Coburn was Georgetown police chief for 10 years. Before that he was an investigator with the SO for 12 years. He was also an investigator for McKinly when he was coroner. He retired and is now an investigator for the prosecutor's office. His wife is the Hamersville clerk now. She was with the Georgetown police department, sheriff's office, and state highway patrol before that. They both work for the Georgetown police part time.
So Buddy Coburns wife is the clerk for Hamersville ? Isnt that somewhat a conflict of interest with him investigating their departments shooting ? More interestingly, WHERE was this Prosecutors Investigator when the last several deaths occurred in Brown County ? I do not recall his name being put out there as part of that ? SELECTIVE in how we operate our Departments in Brown County ? Is it any wonder, NOONE trusts the government in Brown County ?
car007

West Chester, OH

#14 May 29, 2014
People are clueless wrote:
I can understand that people want equal justice for all in Brown County.I also understand the political agendas.I support officers of the law "GOOD OFFICERS".Trust me they are out there.I also support the Constitution and that justice should be equal for all and that individual rights should be protected. In saying that why not allow the FEDS to come in and do an independent investigation.They can investigate the jail death to determine if it was indeed a homicide, if civil rights were violated, interview people,review evidence, investigate corruption, e.t.c.An outside agency that would have no connection in politics,personal feelings,or personal relationships in the county.THIS SHOULD PLEASE ALL SIDES INVOLVED..the victims, the guilty, and all those in between.Again this is just my opinion..we all have them.
AMEN !!
just sayn

Dayton, OH

#15 May 29, 2014
Its sad a man lost his life for not complying with the arresting officer. My understanding was they were only called to check him out because a few local folks thought he was maybe a little impaired. No one knew who he was. My prayers with all involved
just curious

Dayton, OH

#16 May 29, 2014
Does anyone know which officer was hit by the vehicle and which officer shot at the guy? So sad this had to happen.
car007

West Chester, OH

#18 May 29, 2014
just sayn wrote:
Its sad a man lost his life for not complying with the arresting officer. My understanding was they were only called to check him out because a few local folks thought he was maybe a little impaired. No one knew who he was. My prayers with all involved
Yes it is very sad this happened. Not complying can be very indicative of so much more so its important to see the results of the investigation and toxicology from the autopsy.

I will say, it appears to be very trendy anymore, the operators of vehicles flee and try to get away. Not exactly sure why it seems there are more of them in the last few years than ever. before. Surely it could be from having outstanding warrants, suspensions, no license, no insurance, being under the influence, or perhaps just being scared for whatever reason. Unfortunately the officer doesn't always have the benefit of that knowledge when making initial contact and is trained to survive, NOT die.

Obviously his behaviors got the attention of others, so much more information is needed before expressing an opinion of what is right or wrong with the shooting.

I am not so sure I have any confidence in BCI, we shall see..
Sponge

Columbus, OH

#19 May 30, 2014
So for, I don't know, at least 12 years, there were no issues, everything was handled, no complaints, cases were closed, citizens voted, life moved by without any of this mess we are seeing. Then enter the varnaus. Now we have this horseshit political game. Where could it have possibly come from? All I can say is common sense is no longer common.
car007

West Chester, OH

#20 May 30, 2014
Sponge wrote:
So for, I don't know, at least 12 years, there were no issues, everything was handled, no complaints, cases were closed, citizens voted, life moved by without any of this mess we are seeing. Then enter the varnaus. Now we have this horseshit political game. Where could it have possibly come from? All I can say is common sense is no longer common.
I agree, " sense " has been removed from " common ". However, regardless of who came into the picture, right is right and wrong is still wrong. Just because no one else noticed or cared to notice, doesn't make it right, NOR does it make it acceptable.

Your comment represents acceptance because it has always been "One Way ". If Government always operated under this premise, nothing wrong would ever change.

That always works for those who are going in the wrong direction, but cannot reflect what should be, for those who want to go in the " right " direction !
Terry

Cincinnati, OH

#21 May 30, 2014
Sponge wrote:
So for, I don't know, at least 12 years, there were no issues, everything was handled, no complaints, cases were closed, citizens voted, life moved by without any of this mess we are seeing. Then enter the varnaus. Now we have this horseshit political game. Where could it have possibly come from? All I can say is common sense is no longer common.
Yeah, them Varnau's. I thank God for the Varnau's. They had the guts to stand up for what is right and just. The problem people like you have, Sponge, is that you are on the wrong side of history. You love corruption and wrongdoing as a way of life. If you had been at the trial two weeks ago, you’d realize that it is not the Varnau's who have been behind this “horseshit political game.” It was clearly exposed that Schadle, Little and Wenninger are behind the whole political thing, actually conspiring to indict Dr. Varnau on trumped up charges arranged by Schadle and his detectives. I wonder what kind of liability their little conspiracy against Dr. Varnau exposes the county and CORSA to liability-wise?

Get a copy of the trial audio files and you will find there is no mistake as to who is orchestrating the whole thing. In fact, it is my personal opinion that the attacks on the Varnau's are going to backfire on all three of them, Little first for violating her duties as an attorney. The Varnau's have done nothing wrong. Just the opposite. The problem for Schadle, Little and Wenninger is that they cannot answer the questions and problems the Varnau's have publicly exposed, which is why they, and you, continually attack the Varnau's personally to try and destroy their reputation as a way to undermine the true issues they have exposed. The more I read what is in the documentation generated by Mr. Varnau’s quo warranto case file, the more it is obvious that Mr. Wenninger and all of his deputies are nothing more than imposters, civilians who are acting as if they are legitimate deputies, when they are not legally. What the Varnau's have exposed is the actual extent of law breaking that has been going on in Brown County and the State all the way from our local courts, prosecutor, and sheriff to the AG’s Office and governor. The corruption stinks to high heaven, just like the Georgetown dump. The kind of smell a “sponge” would readily soak up to become part of his person.

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