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Schadle breaks under the pressure of the coroner’s questioning

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The Insider

Cincinnati, OH

#1 Apr 22, 2014
Dr. Varnau was ambushed by the court when given only less than one working day to try and get an attorney to represent her in the hearing today. She asked for a continuance, but the court went forward forcing her to represent herself, not knowing what was going to transpire at all. Even though she was forced into this situation, she was pretty darn good for a complete novice in a court room. She was able to get Schadle to squirm enough to spout out that they do not investigate death scenes anymore because he does not trust her ability to do her job. Translated = she is doing her job too good for Schadle when she called the jail death of an inmate a homicide instead of a suicide. A homicide where Schadle’s son was one of several individuals known to be in the vicinity of the inmate on or around the time of his death. Well, well, well! How does that smell?

The coroner was also able to make the point that it is not her job to do law enforcement’s investigative tasks at death scenes, and that her only statutory duty and authority is associated with determining the cause and manner of death, not “who done it?” The coroner asked how death scenes were investigated in the past under the former coroner, and the deputies testified that they would do an investigation and call the coroner to see if the coroner needed to show up at the scene. She asked why isn’t the same done now under my administration, and the deputy said because they changed the policy on how suicide and other scenes other than homicides are treated by them. Why did they change it? Because they “don’t trust the coroner.”

It was obvious that the attorney for the plaintiffs and all those complaining about the coroner’s performance of her job, didn’t even know what her job was at death scenes. The plaintiffs claimed that she called their son’s death a suicide, but the death certificate to this day lists his cause and manner of death as “pending.” That is, pending the outcome of a BCI investigation that was called for by Jessica Little after the SO literally defiled the death scene by completely removing the gun without permission from the coroner, and leaving the scene without the gun after he removed it from the coroner’s death scene. The coroner pointed out that their son was filled to the gills with marijuana, and the father thought that it was good for his PTSD from Afghanistan and Iraq and approved of his use of it. Wow! Wooow! Wow! As the doper speaks thinking his skull can stop bullets at point blank range.
Fail

Hamilton, OH

#2 Apr 22, 2014
The Insider wrote:
Dr. Varnau was ambushed by the court when given only less than one working day to try and get an attorney to represent her in the hearing today. She asked for a continuance, but the court went forward forcing her to represent herself, not knowing what was going to transpire at all. Even though she was forced into this situation, she was pretty darn good for a complete novice in a court room. She was able to get Schadle to squirm enough to spout out that they do not investigate death scenes anymore because he does not trust her ability to do her job. Translated = she is doing her job too good for Schadle when she called the jail death of an inmate a homicide instead of a suicide. A homicide where Schadle’s son was one of several individuals known to be in the vicinity of the inmate on or around the time of his death. Well, well, well! How does that smell?
The coroner was also able to make the point that it is not her job to do law enforcement’s investigative tasks at death scenes, and that her only statutory duty and authority is associated with determining the cause and manner of death, not “who done it?” The coroner asked how death scenes were investigated in the past under the former coroner, and the deputies testified that they would do an investigation and call the coroner to see if the coroner needed to show up at the scene. She asked why isn’t the same done now under my administration, and the deputy said because they changed the policy on how suicide and other scenes other than homicides are treated by them. Why did they change it? Because they “don’t trust the coroner.”
It was obvious that the attorney for the plaintiffs and all those complaining about the coroner’s performance of her job, didn’t even know what her job was at death scenes. The plaintiffs claimed that she called their son’s death a suicide, but the death certificate to this day lists his cause and manner of death as “pending.” That is, pending the outcome of a BCI investigation that was called for by Jessica Little after the SO literally defiled the death scene by completely removing the gun without permission from the coroner, and leaving the scene without the gun after he removed it from the coroner’s death scene. The coroner pointed out that their son was filled to the gills with marijuana, and the father thought that it was good for his PTSD from Afghanistan and Iraq and approved of his use of it. Wow! Wooow! Wow! As the doper speaks thinking his skull can stop bullets at point blank range.
I hope this is the beginning of the end for Shadle and the entire law enforcement for the entire county! Drug addict, lying, pompous bitches is all any of them are and I do mean ALL OF THEM.
Bud

Cincinnati, OH

#3 Apr 22, 2014
[QUOTE who="The Isider]The coroner pointed out that their son was filled to the gills with marijuana, and the father thought that it was good for his PTSD from Afghanistan and Iraq and approved of his use of it. Wow! Wooow! Wow! As the doper speaks thinking his skull can stop bullets at point blank range.
[/QUOTE]

I'm sure the poor man doesn't even understand the differences between medicinal marijuana and street marijuana and the effects street marijuana has on the brain. Evidently they don't understand the coroner's job vs the SO's job at death scenes either. And a professional woman trying to do her job gets dragged through the mud.

I hope your portrayal of the hearing is accurate. While many of those in attendance didn't understand most of what was being said, the judge is a great deal smarter than them...at least I hope so.
No one cares

Cincinnati, OH

#4 Apr 22, 2014
You really should work for the msm mr insider. You start every post out with a lie, use distraction art tactics. Man you're good! Too bad she had an attorney a week ago! What happened? Was he smart enough to say F this, I don't want any part?
Rose

Cincinnati, OH

#5 Apr 23, 2014
No one cares wrote:
You really should work for the msm mr insider. You start every post out with a lie, use distraction art tactics. Man you're good! Too bad she had an attorney a week ago! What happened? Was he smart enough to say F this, I don't want any part?
You really should work for the sheriffs department with you negative attitude and lies you tell.

Did you ever try to get an attorney in two days? It could be their attorney had prior commitments and could not be in court to represent Dr. Varnau.

It is apparent that you and the Adamson parents do not understand what they complained about and what their attorney filed against Dr. Varnau were not the duty's of the coroner.

Hopefully the judge is smart enough to understand the difference between the parents grief and the job description of the coroner.
car007

West Chester, OH

#6 Apr 23, 2014
No one cares wrote:
You really should work for the msm mr insider. You start every post out with a lie, use distraction art tactics. Man you're good! Too bad she had an attorney a week ago! What happened? Was he smart enough to say F this, I don't want any part?
.

Relax " No One Cares ", this was ONLY a " Motion " that was heard. I wouldn't get too excited by what you think is a victory just yet. You are beginning to sound desperate in your efforts to feel good. I personally do not feel it was necessary to have an attorney represent her on a " Motion "... The facts are the facts and from what I have read and heard, they were presented well enough for this phase. Her money will be better spent on the " hearing ".

Regardless of any finding, in the end this Coroner has exposed the Brown County Ohio Commissioners, Prosecutor, Sheriff and others within their administration for their failures while holding a public office. As mentioned in a previous post, the young officers who have supported this administration will end up with tarnished reputations and the older ones will retire . What if any criminal charges come out from any of this; time will tell. If I were to guess any possible criminal charges would be filed, would be against members employed by the Brown County Sheriffs Office, NOT the Coroner.

Politics makes strange bed partners.
I Know

Cincinnati, OH

#7 Apr 23, 2014
No one cares -woks for sheriff dept. and is scared !!!!!!!!!!
Adam

Cincinnati, OH

#8 Apr 23, 2014
I checked it out. Dr. Varnau got her official notice of the hearing when she got the mail at 1500 hrs on Saturday. She also got notice from the assignment clerk from common pleas court by e-mail and phone call Monday morning. So, how’s that for due process? Giving a person less than one working day to secure counsel to represent her in a hearing where the other side was completely prepared with witnesses to be called to testify, and she, never ever having been in a court room ever in her life, was forced to act as her own attorney without the court giving her a continuance to obtain counsel that could be present for her defense. Actually, from what I’ve heard, she got her family attorney to take the case, but he was already scheduled in another all-day affair somewhere else in SW Ohio yesterday. When the whole truth comes out, not like the lying Cowboy Hat reporter for Channel 12, who essentially called the coroner an “idiot,”(which is a term usually for her husband by real idiots) because she was acting as her own attorney, as if she had a choice in the matter. What a POS!
Carla

Cincinnati, OH

#9 Apr 23, 2014
I'm sure Varnau held her own, but fair? No. The prosecuting attorney has asked for a special prosecuting attorney be appointed to represent Varnau because the PA has a "conflict of interest." She also asked for the court to decide who pays for the special prosecutor. That one is easy. Just take Little's salary and give it to the special prosecutor. We have a prosecutor who won't do her job, a sheriff's office who won't do their jobs and commissioners who won't do their jobs. Can taxpayers get our money back?

Varnau is not stupid enough to use an attorney paid for by the county because they will just settle to make it go away. She deserves decent representation. Hawkins had to bring in an attorney who knows what he's doing since she doesn't. Varnau deserves no less.

Jaffee. If it looks like a nut and sounds like a not and it walks like a nut, it is a nut.'Nuff said.
Reality Check

Marion, OH

#10 Apr 23, 2014
The coroner knew that this hearing would be coming. The complaint was filed with great media fanfare on Wednesday of last week. The judge was named and the hearing times were set the following day. She could have called the courthouse and found out the information five days before the hearing. She and her husband rolled the dice that the judge would grant her a continuance by claiming to have "only one day" to "find an attorney."

It's fascinating to watch the same four of five people keep spinning the pro-coroner echo chamber. I'm sure there's some sort of conspiracy at the bottom of it all.
Bud

Cincinnati, OH

#11 Apr 23, 2014
Reality Check wrote:
The coroner knew that this hearing would be coming. The complaint was filed with great media fanfare on Wednesday of last week. The judge was named and the hearing times were set the following day. She could have called the courthouse and found out the information five days before the hearing. She and her husband rolled the dice that the judge would grant her a continuance by claiming to have "only one day" to "find an attorney.".
Dr. Varnau was actually notified at 1:12 P.M. on Thursday. That gave her a few hours on Thursday and then Friday to find an attorney. She didn't want a local hillbilly lawyer, I'm sure. Obviously you've never tried to schedule a quality lawyer. You don't do it in a day or two. I don't know why you think the Varnaus would want to prolong this. That's not the impression I've gotten.

I don't know where you got the 5 days. The date and time was not set until late Wed. That would have given her a little over 2 days to contact and schedule an attorney plus go over the case. As I said, I'm sure she is not looking at the local yokel lawyers. She wants someone competent.

I hear she did fine so it doesn't really matter at this point. I'm sure she'll have competent legal counsel by May 14.
Councel

Cincinnati, OH

#12 Apr 23, 2014
Have you looked at the docket for this case on the clerk's site? They have Gusweiler as the judge for the hearing and spell counsel "councel." Is there one elected official in this county who is competent?
PeeWee

Delaware, OH

#13 Apr 23, 2014
I agree with Reality Check. The next hearing in 30 days will expose the conspiracy if one does exist. What will be fascinating is that you know the Sheriff and Chief Deputy and Prosecutor will be called to the stand again. That will be very interesting indeed with a real attorney questioning them at that time. Can't WAIT. Almost pee in my pants just thinking about that day.
Adam

Cincinnati, OH

#14 Apr 23, 2014
Reality Check wrote:
The coroner knew that this hearing would be coming. The complaint was filed with great media fanfare on Wednesday of last week. The judge was named and the hearing times were set the following day. She could have called the courthouse and found out the information five days before the hearing. She and her husband rolled the dice that the judge would grant her a continuance by claiming to have "only one day" to "find an attorney."
It's fascinating to watch the same four of five people keep spinning the pro-coroner echo chamber. I'm sure there's some sort of conspiracy at the bottom of it all.
Since when is due process a matter of rolling dice or guess work?
Reality Check

Marion, OH

#15 Apr 23, 2014
The title of this thread pretty much says it all about the mindset and hopes of the echo chamber. Also this comment:

"She was able to get Schadle to squirm enough to spout out that they do not investigate death scenes anymore because he does not trust her ability to do her job."

has been reported in the papers numerous times. Also, If the judge rules that she should be suspended pending the hearing, will he also become part of the conspiracy at that point? I'm sure Governor Kasich and Attorney General DeWine are holding his family hostage at gunpoint at this very moment to force him to perpetuate the evil.
Gus

Cincinnati, OH

#16 Apr 23, 2014
It is apparent that most of the people reading and posting on this thread have not read and understood the charges they filed against the coroner. This was posted under "signatures" by In The Know. This tells what they filed and what the job of the coroner is. It sure is nothing about what they filed on.

"In The Know

Count One: Coroner failed to secure all of Zachary's personal effects. The only personal effects the coroner has a duty and statutory authority to secure are those "found in connection with or pertaining to such body." ORC 313.14. The coroner would be violating her authority, looking for other valuables outside the death scene, on an "Easter egg hunt."

Two: Coroner failed to deliver the firearm to the Sheriff. The News Democrat said, "sheriff's deputy Jason Huff, who is a road corporal, cited Brown County Sheriff's Office policy as reason why the Sheriff's Office would not take the firearm and claimed that the coroner needed to take the firearm." The law, in ORC 313.141, says, "the coroner SHALL deliver the firearms to the sheriff of the county if the body is not found within a municipal corporation." 911 tapes clearly indicate that the coroner had her husband call 911 to get the SO to come pick up the gun, but the Chief Deputy said they would not come pick it up. Before the coroner got to the scene, the responding deputy took the gun out of Zachary's hand and removed it from the coroner's death scene, without permission from the coroner before doing so, making it part of the law enforcement's overall scene, not the coroner's evidence anymore. It makes sense that any handling of firearms should be done by law enforcement personnel rather than a physician.

Three: Coroner failed to notify the family of Zachary's death. How is a coroner is supposed to notify a family of a death prior to even being called to a death scene herself by 911? In ORC 313.14, it says, "The coroner shall notify any known relatives of a deceased person who meets death in the manner described by section 313.12 of the Revised Code by letter or otherwise." It does not specify WHEN it has to be done time-wise, but I suspect that would be within a "reasonable" time frame."

Four: Coroner failed to secure the firearm, treat the death scene as a possible homicide, caused a deceased's body to remain in a vehicle while towed, transported a body in the back of pickup truck, and leaving body parts behind at death scenes. I've already covered the firearm. The new MOU footnote 3 satisfies treating the scenes as potential homicide scenes. Ms. Cheesman's body was in her vehicle when towed to a warm garage where BCI agents had it towed so they could process the scene. The vehicle used to transport a body is not specified in the Code. It is not the duty of the coroner, law enforcement, or EMS to clean up death scenes were biological material is splattered all over the place. If the coroner gave it her best effort to police the body death scene of all pieces, she had no authority or duty to cleanse the whole house. In the first place, since when does a sister of the deceased have the right to enter another family's home without permission and then claim she was "shocked" by what she saw as she burgled the home of personal possessions?

Five: Coroner engaged in gross neglect of duty. From everything I have read and heard, it appears to me that the attorney pushing this petition has been grossly negligent in her duty to investigate all the facts before "crying fire in a theater," causing a general public alarm and fear in others of the public having a coroner attend one of their family's death scenes in the future - all based upon false pretenses.
Six: Coroner's conduct was improper, violated her statutory duties, exercised poor judgment, and that everything she has done "individually and collectively, shock the conscience." This is a charge attempting to catch a whale in someone's backyard pond.




car007

West Chester, OH

#17 Apr 23, 2014
Adam wrote:
I checked it out. Dr. Varnau got her official notice of the hearing when she got the mail at 1500 hrs on Saturday. She also got notice from the assignment clerk from common pleas court by e-mail and phone call Monday morning. So, how’s that for due process? Giving a person less than one working day to secure counsel to represent her in a hearing where the other side was completely prepared with witnesses to be called to testify, and she, never ever having been in a court room ever in her life, was forced to act as her own attorney without the court giving her a continuance to obtain counsel that could be present for her defense. Actually, from what I’ve heard, she got her family attorney to take the case, but he was already scheduled in another all-day affair somewhere else in SW Ohio yesterday. When the whole truth comes out, not like the lying Cowboy Hat reporter for Channel 12, who essentially called the coroner an “idiot,”(which is a term usually for her husband by real idiots) because she was acting as her own attorney, as if she had a choice in the matter. What a POS!
Jiffe Jaffe and Gutter journalism, what more can you expect. If he were respected in his profession, he wouldn't be where he is. He embarrasses himself with the remarks he made as well as Local12 and its sponsors. When it all comes out, Jiffe wont have to worry about being the " Lone Ranger " for reporting the " True " story, there will be others who are far more reputable and respected in the community who will broadcast and print it !
car007

West Chester, OH

#18 Apr 23, 2014
Reality Check wrote:
The coroner knew that this hearing would be coming. The complaint was filed with great media fanfare on Wednesday of last week. The judge was named and the hearing times were set the following day. She could have called the courthouse and found out the information five days before the hearing. She and her husband rolled the dice that the judge would grant her a continuance by claiming to have "only one day" to "find an attorney."
It's fascinating to watch the same four of five people keep spinning the pro-coroner echo chamber. I'm sure there's some sort of conspiracy at the bottom of it all.
I know its the " norm " in Brown County to bypass Due Process and follow " Rules of Procedure but in the real world, the Coroner is entitled to " Official " documents for notice of hearing, NOT through the news media,,,,,, yes, even in Backasswards Brown County Ohio, lead by the Backasswards Brown County Commissioners, Prosecutor and Sheriff and all of their " Cronie " followers who are leading their sheep to the slaughterhouse.
Reality Check

Miamisburg, OH

#19 Apr 23, 2014
car007 wrote:
<quoted text>
the Coroner is entitled to " Official " documents for notice of hearing, NOT through the news media.
This is parsing. It has been common knowledge that the complaint was imminent. That's like saying that you'll prepare for a flood when you get a certified letter from FEMA the day before it's supposed to hit, even though you've been watching the weather on TV for a week.
No one cares

Columbus, OH

#20 Apr 23, 2014
"I know" is a Varnau and is scared. Again we can both make shit up!

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