Shedding some light on safety and strobes on school buses

Q: For the last few years, every time I get behind a school bus in the dark hours of the morning, I wonder about the purpose of that white strobe light on the back roof of the bus. Full Story
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“Goddess in my own little world”

Since: May 07

USA

#1 Feb 18, 2008
I find the strobe lights helpful. We're all so used to seeing the red lights on a school bus. The strobe lights draw more attention and alert anyone who may otherwise not have noticed an approaching school bus.
Mom of 4 and Safety Freak

Allentown, PA

#2 Feb 18, 2008
Given the incredibly low rate of crashes involving school busses as compared to other forms of transportation...I'd have to say that I agree that the strobes are excessive.

MAYBE they could be helpful during loading/unloading. But I'm doubtful. Empowering the drivers to take down plate numbers to report to police for insuing tickets might be more of a motivation for people to refrain from passing stopped school busses, which is the leading cause of child fatalities related to bus transportation.
Wanda

Lebanon, PA

#3 Feb 18, 2008
I was under the impression that the lights were intended only for inclement weather, night driving or loading/unloading pupils. These buses have the lights onconstantly... I think we will end up immune to the effect. What about people that have bad bad reactions to constant flickering lights or strobs ??

Since: May 07

Telford, PA

#4 Feb 18, 2008
Those strobes are a health hazard! In me they can bring on the migraine precursor of a visual aura which renders me nearly blind. Using them in fog or heacy rain is one thing but running them all the time is just plain inconsiderate.

“Goddess in my own little world”

Since: May 07

USA

#5 Feb 18, 2008
I never thought about people having reactions to strobe lights but that is very possible. I agree that they shouldn't be used all the time, only for loading and unloading or inclement weather. Issuing tickets for those who pass a stopped school bus may help, but than it may be too late. I personally find the strobe light helpful.
WOW

Slatington, PA

#6 Feb 18, 2008
you people need to get a life...ohhh the strobe lights may hurt my eyes.....if your eyes are that sensative you shouldn't be driving!
WhitehallDad

Bethlehem, PA

#7 Feb 18, 2008
Personally, anything that is done to ensure the safety of my children when they are on the bus is fine with me. To those who complain, sorry, but maybe you shouldn't be driving.
Laura Collins

Philadelphia, PA

#8 Feb 18, 2008
School Safety Planning without Assessment: Guessing is not planning

You go to the doctor because you feel sick. When the doctor enters the examination room the doctor tells you that he is giving you a prescription for to medicines. Confused you ask,“But you haven’t examined me yet to diagnose my problem?” The doctor replies,“Don’t worry I have a pretty good idea what is wrong with you so I’ll just wing it”.

How fast would you run out of there? This is how most school district design school safety plans. They use a little bit of internet information, a little bit of other districts information and a lot of guess work. This is not professional or effective planning.

Without a compete assessment an effective plan cannot be designed. Most districts have had safety assessments conducted by local people or companies. The problem is that these assessments are superficial and general ineffective for planning purposes or problems solving.
Most of the security assessments that have been performed in U.S. schools have focused either on security hardware [cameras, locks, etc.] or exterior crime prevention. Since school safety is primarily about the management of a school environment and the people in it, an accurate assessment of safety must include analysis of the management systems in place on a daily basis that affect daily security issues.
The following is a list of what a proper school security audit should include:

• Each audit / assessment must be custom designed to the school facility structure and personality. For example California style [one floor, flat or shallow roof] buildings present different security problems than a school facility that have multiple floors. Socio-economic aspects of the community and the surrounding area also set the personality of a school.
• A complete audit must also include interviews with key community people regarding juvenile crime and social problems related to children.
• The audit must seek out key personnel within each school for extensive interviews. These key personnel provide much of the relevant usable information for the audit.
• An audit of sub social groups must also be conducted.
• An audit of management structure related to security is also vital in a proper audit.
• An audit of the relationship and communication between staff and students must be properly conducted.
• Student movement and classroom management must be audited.
• An audit of disciplinary issues must be conducted.
• Finally, the audit must provide specific issues with specific solutions must be designed for each school facility.

www.SERAPH.net

“I've now been in 57 states”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#9 Feb 18, 2008
I can see why the strobes are needed because it is so difficult to see a giant yellow vehicle going down the road sporting more red lights than a train station.

Whenever gubament is involved, excess is always the way to go.
nonyor

Scranton, PA

#10 Feb 18, 2008
you people need to get a life...ohhh the strobe lights may hurt my eyes.....if your eyes are that sensative you shouldn't be driving!

Wait one second, How about the kids on the buses that have severe seizure disorder that seize upon strobe lights. Oh and the stop lights on 7th Street that strobe in the red light area. While I understand the importance of them, what about the risks of medical conditions that ARE triggered by them. Oh and the school district putting strobe fire alarms in. There is no right or wrong answer to this.......
Jeez

Easton, PA

#11 Feb 18, 2008
WhitehallDad wrote:
Personally, anything that is done to ensure the safety of my children when they are on the bus is fine with me. To those who complain, sorry, but maybe you shouldn't be driving.
Oh whatever. There is no evidence that these strobes make the vehicle any safer.

These strobes are annoying, distracting, and completely unnecessary.
Oliver

Lake Ariel, PA

#12 Feb 18, 2008
White lights, red lights AND
..........NO..........
Searbelts
Oliver

Lake Ariel, PA

#13 Feb 18, 2008
"seat"
Coplay1

AOL

#14 Feb 18, 2008
Maybe we should check to see who's brother is involved with supplying the strobe lights.
WOW

Slatington, PA

#15 Feb 18, 2008
nonyor wrote:
you people need to get a life...ohhh the strobe lights may hurt my eyes.....if your eyes are that sensative you shouldn't be driving!
Wait one second, How about the kids on the buses that have severe seizure disorder that seize upon strobe lights. Oh and the stop lights on 7th Street that strobe in the red light area. While I understand the importance of them, what about the risks of medical conditions that ARE triggered by them. Oh and the school district putting strobe fire alarms in. There is no right or wrong answer to this.......
well the color yellow makes me have to pee...get rid of that color too...waahhhh
Mom of 4 and Safety Freak

Chicago, IL

#16 Feb 18, 2008
valleyvenus wrote:
Issuing tickets for those who pass a stopped school bus may help, but than it may be too late. I personally find the strobe light helpful.
Not necessarily. Hundreds of people drive past a stopped school bus without striking a child for every 1 that does strike a child. Because of this huge ratio, people continue to pass stopped school buses because of the mentality "I've done it before, and no one got hurt." If more tickets were issued for the the times when no child is hurt, people would eventually start to curb their own behavior to avoid the fine.
What

Allentown, PA

#17 Feb 18, 2008
Actually, there is some evidence, such as...

http://www.pdsd.org/Administration/Newbuses.h...
Jeez wrote:
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Oh whatever. There is no evidence that these strobes make the vehicle any safer.
These strobes are annoying, distracting, and completely unnecessary.
shaggy

Columbus, OH

#18 Feb 18, 2008
nonyor wrote:
Wait one second, How about the kids on the buses that have severe seizure disorder that seize upon strobe lights. Oh and the stop lights on 7th Street that strobe in the red light area. While I understand the importance of them, what about the risks of medical conditions that ARE triggered by them. Oh and the school district putting strobe fire alarms in. There is no right or wrong answer to this.......
I they are on the bus how does the light bother them?
MyKidsDad

Easton, PA

#19 Feb 18, 2008
It's amazing that someone can actually not see a big yellow bus. The strobes are annoying, unecessary, and should be eliminated.

As far as cars passing stopped school busses, who can blame them. Those darn busses stop at every street corner, every development, and in rural areas nearly every driveway. It's ridiculous already. There's a new development up on Kesslerville Road that has two entrances just a few feet apart and the bus stops at both of them!!!!!! And the sad part is that all the kids are waiting in cars with their parents (as they should be) but can't the parents drive a few more feet to the other driveway so the bus only has to stop once? Then there are those parents that make their kids wait in the car until the bus comes to a complete stop, then the kids have to get their backpacks, etc., get a kiss, walk across the street very slowly, wave to the parent, go back for what they forgot, back across the street, wave again, and finally get on the bus. Very rude and arrogant! Note to these parents: Get your fat arse out of the car a few minutes before the scheduled bus time, cross the street, and have your brats ready to get on the bus! Have some respect for people driving to work.

Now before all you bleeding hearts get your panties in a knot, I do have elementary aged children, so I know what it is all about. But I get them to the bus stop with no less than five minutes to spare and I have them out and ready by the time the bus comes to a stop. It can be done - but most parents are just too lazy and inconsiderate!
Upper Bucks Resident

Whitehall, PA

#20 Feb 18, 2008
I lived in Northwestern Lehigh (lowhill Township) for more than 30 years and on hilly, narrow backroads with a lot of curves and no streetlighting these strobe lights are a good idea, especially on foggy pre-sunrise mornings.

That being said, they shouldn't be used on sunny afternoons or else their effectiveness wears off. Each district or bus co. transportation director should decide when they're appropriate to use.

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