Local Attorney Seeks Judge's Bench

Local Attorney Seeks Judge's Bench

There are 96 comments on the WICU12 Erie story from Jan 10, 2013, titled Local Attorney Seeks Judge's Bench. In it, WICU12 Erie reports that:

Bill Kelly Jr. announced his candidacy for Erie County Common Pleas Court judge Thursday, hoping to fill the seat left vacant by the retirement of Judge Mike Dunlavey.

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skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#83 Jan 31, 2013
what wrote:
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Asking for the money to spent on the child and asking for an accounting is NOT attidude.
...unless a judge says that it is. They make up their own facts in their head based on East/West bedroll in the morning.
Not a Legal eagle

Erie, PA

#84 Feb 1, 2013
Well....

Mr. Skip: Not too certain about the fact pattern you gave about your wife's visit to dom rel, sounds like it was an intake conference to file for support and they ran some rough numbers based on what information she gave them about your income. I did not see anything about you actually attending a support conference with a conference officer reviewing W-2s, tax returns and paycheck stubs to determine actual support obligations, which is then appealable. Maybe I missed that part when I read it.
Lee Gull

Erie, PA

#85 Feb 1, 2013
Not a Legal eagle wrote:
Well....
Mr. Skip: Not too certain about the fact pattern you gave about your wife's visit to dom rel, sounds like it was an intake conference to file for support and they ran some rough numbers based on what information she gave them about your income. I did not see anything about you actually attending a support conference with a conference officer reviewing W-2s, tax returns and paycheck stubs to determine actual support obligations, which is then appealable. Maybe I missed that part when I read it.
It does seem that he "skipped" going to the intake conference, and also "skipped" paying anything at all for support till he was forced to pay by Judge Stephie. Not excusing her tendency to shoot from the hip, but I can see how he might have appeared to be a belligerent deadbeat dad to her. It didn't occur to him to write some checks for what he thought was a fair amount till the hearing, so he'd get both financial credit and a little less attitude.

Since: Oct 12

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#86 Feb 1, 2013
In the know wrote:
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Lawyers only want to be judges for a few reason:
1) They need the money;
2) They need the pension;
3) Revenge; or
4) Their ego needs stroked by someone other than their girlfriends.
Brilliant!! I'd bet its usually number 1 and 2. But 3 and 4 would be much much more intersting....
skip the poo poo

Erie, PA

#87 Feb 1, 2013
Lee Gull wrote:
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It does seem that he "skipped" going to the intake conference, and also "skipped" paying anything at all for support till he was forced to pay by Judge Stephie. Not excusing her tendency to shoot from the hip, but I can see how he might have appeared to be a belligerent deadbeat dad to her. It didn't occur to him to write some checks for what he thought was a fair amount till the hearing, so he'd get both financial credit and a little less attitude.
Did you guys ever stop to think that my brother is a liar. Born that way and been that way his who despicable life.

Since: Oct 12

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#88 Feb 1, 2013
skip the poo poo wrote:
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Did you guys ever stop to think that my brother is a liar. Born that way and been that way his who despicable life.
Maybe you should have had kids with a different women, or not at all??
skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#89 Feb 2, 2013
Lee Gull wrote:
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It does seem that he "skipped" going to the intake conference, and also "skipped" paying anything at all for support till he was forced to pay by Judge Stephie. Not excusing her tendency to shoot from the hip, but I can see how he might have appeared to be a belligerent deadbeat dad to her. It didn't occur to him to write some checks for what he thought was a fair amount till the hearing, so he'd get both financial credit and a little less attitude.
I skipped the pee pee too ;)

Understand this was all about 20 years ago so I don't care except that I'm a curious type that likes to understand, analyze and learn from things.

But contrary to the canard as if every person is responsible to know every law, how would anyone normal know about any of this crap, osmosis? Or should every parent focus not on their children's upbringing, but rather the proper nuances of every law in the land?

My known view regarding fair amounts was that I looked forward to a hearing about support because I had no idea what anyone pays and whatever it was, is whatever it would be. I saw myself as having no knowledge or inside scoop on how things like this get decided. I was a father not a lawyer so whatever people paid was fine with me.

During the time my kids lacked for nothing but if they did don't you think the ex would have simply shown me who she talked to at the courthouse so we could get the story straight on who said what to whom? Cooperation. There's a thought. But since she wouldn't cooperate I simply took that as demonstration a plenty that in her mind it could wait for the hearing. But maybe I'm retarded.
Sssssssssssssssssssssst. But c'mon, really. If you can have whatever they say if you point out who "they" is--and you won't--does that sound like an abuse?

Point being, no matter MY scenario is there ANY chance a judge might have missed some detail in someone's information--something might have been a misprint--or somebody before a judge might possibly have a justifiable extenuating circumstance?

The circumstances are irrelevant. Does ANY defendant deserve a right to be heard before being treated like an asshole or not? That my friends, is the question.

BTW why would a judge treat anyone like an asshole anyhow? A courtroom should not have the decorum with judge serving in the role of a Jerry Springer guest IMO. You don't have to be undignified in order to mete out just punishment.

But then again, Ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssst. <--And of course because someone tries to keep things light and funny don't think that can't be presented as a disturbing to society mental problem that a judge would swallow like Flubby swallows cake.
skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#90 Feb 2, 2013
I guess my question is why would a judge get emotionally involved in a case, especially a he said/she said type unless they were omniscient?
skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#91 Feb 2, 2013
Bump. Why aren't judges more like doctors in demeanor? In Flubby and EX-Judge Joyce's cases I'd chalk it up to a lack of discipline in the face of PMS.

So now, how do we rid us of the festering puss that is Flubby Domitrovich when presumably even her weak husband is afraid to leave?

BTW I ask little of the world. But I would like if some of you cats here who know her turn her on to these writings. Might be the only indication she gets what a POS she is.

Joycie already knows.

PS Final thought. How nice to have a job where you have supreme power with virtually no responsibility for your decisions.(Unless your colleagues in the cabal decide to interfere in business as usual.)
Lee Gull

Erie, PA

#92 Feb 2, 2013
skip the pee pee wrote:
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I skipped the pee pee too ;)
Understand this was all about 20 years ago so I don't care except that I'm a curious type that likes to understand, analyze and learn from things.
But contrary to the canard as if every person is responsible to know every law, how would anyone normal know about any of this crap, osmosis? Or should every parent focus not on their children's upbringing, but rather the proper nuances of every law in the land?
My known view regarding fair amounts was that I looked forward to a hearing about support because I had no idea what anyone pays and whatever it was, is whatever it would be. I saw myself as having no knowledge or inside scoop on how things like this get decided. I was a father not a lawyer so whatever people paid was fine with me.
During the time my kids lacked for nothing but if they did don't you think the ex would have simply shown me who she talked to at the courthouse so we could get the story straight on who said what to whom? Cooperation. There's a thought. But since she wouldn't cooperate I simply took that as demonstration a plenty that in her mind it could wait for the hearing. But maybe I'm retarded.
Sssssssssssssssssssssst. But c'mon, really. If you can have whatever they say if you point out who "they" is--and you won't--does that sound like an abuse?
Point being, no matter MY scenario is there ANY chance a judge might have missed some detail in someone's information--something might have been a misprint--or somebody before a judge might possibly have a justifiable extenuating circumstance?
The circumstances are irrelevant. Does ANY defendant deserve a right to be heard before being treated like an asshole or not? That my friends, is the question.
BTW why would a judge treat anyone like an asshole anyhow? A courtroom should not have the decorum with judge serving in the role of a Jerry Springer guest IMO. You don't have to be undignified in order to mete out just punishment.
But then again, Ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sssst. <--And of course because someone tries to keep things light and funny don't think that can't be presented as a disturbing to society mental problem that a judge would swallow like Flubby swallows cake.
You weren't expected to know all the laws and rules, just to show up at the support conference in the DR office when they sent you the notice. Also you should have understood that you owed some amount of money for your kids, pending the exact determination. As for Judge Steph, she knows the lawyers aren't fond of her, since the majority of the bar association publicly recommended she not be retained a few years ago, and she spent over $100K to campaign for retention--nobody else can run against a judge seeking retention. If ego and volatile temper could pull down a judge, a whole lot of them would be gone. She's up for retention again in 2019, and would be there about 5 more years till mandatory retirement if she wins. Get your yard signs ready if you think it will work.
skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#93 Feb 2, 2013
Lee Gull wrote:
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You weren't expected to know all the laws and rules, just to show up at the support conference in the DR office when they sent you the notice. Also you should have understood that you owed some amount of money for your kids, pending the exact determination. As for Judge Steph, she knows the lawyers aren't fond of her, since the majority of the bar association publicly recommended she not be retained a few years ago, and she spent over $100K to campaign for retention--nobody else can run against a judge seeking retention. If ego and volatile temper could pull down a judge, a whole lot of them would be gone. She's up for retention again in 2019, and would be there about 5 more years till mandatory retirement if she wins. Get your yard signs ready if you think it will work.
I've never missed any hearing that I am aware of. Of course once I had a separate address the ex changed it so she got all my mail, so I wouldn't even know.(She did this 3 separate times after I got it straightened. It LEGAL!)

She couldn't make the bills supposedly, wouldn't help determine an amount so I settled it. I moved back into the family house. Makes sense right? Can't make the bills since I left, won't negotiate/cooperate on an amount, moving back in should solve the problem right? It's legal to move back into your own house, you know, where unknown to me, my mail was being delivered?

Next day cops show up and make me leave my house. Evidently my moving back in triggered a suppressed memory of me physically abusing her.(Which never happened.) Some coincidence that the recovered memory paralleled her wanting the house for her and her boyfriend.

Again, I don't care it's just that PFA's shouldn't be given out like candy canes on Christmas. And as you know, legally that means I can't call to discuss money matters. Zero contact.

I defied the PFA anyhow because F them but the point is that during a later hearing on if the PFA was just, if you can't prove it wasn't, it was.(There's sworn testimony that says so.)

I don't hate the circumstances of my long past separation, I hate that this shit goes on and nobody can stop it. Judges make whatever outcome they want based on "judgment". Woman good/man bad seems an easy one to remember.
skip the pee pee

Erie, PA

#94 Feb 2, 2013
Lee Gull wrote:
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If ego and volatile temper could pull down a judge, a whole lot of them would be gone.
This.
PS Thanks for the info.
Shaila

Erie, PA

#95 Aug 14, 2013
[QUOTE who="His sister Libby is a peach but Bill truly is a big tool.
[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, but there's nothing peachy about Libby, peaches appreciate life, Libby doesn't
Marsha

Erie, PA

#96 Feb 16, 2014
"Libby" is not even a peach. She is an emotional child abuser. My children currently reside with a father who has a previous PFA order and violation. Sexual Harassment conviction, and step children with both drug and violent criminal records. While the children's mother works in Health Care and has criminal clearances, including FBI fingerprinting. HHMMMM, wonder how this father got away with that one????
Jan

Erie, PA

#97 Feb 17, 2014
Marsha, Marsha, Marsha:

1st, me thinks you oughta start a new thread
2nd, why keep us in suspense, obviously you have some thoughts about why Good Judge Kelly would decide they way she did...why make us play guessing games....out with it! Or are you leaving out a few facts, like:
- Were these children subject to the aforementioned PFA?
- Were these children subjects of the sexual harassment charges that led to father's conviction?
- does father even reside with the step children who have "both drug and violent criminal records" and were these records permitted into evidence so that the Judge could consider them? If he does reside with them does the order restrict their contact with the subject children?
Jan

Erie, PA

#98 Feb 17, 2014
Marsha wrote:
"Libby" is not even a peach. She is an emotional child abuser. My children currently reside with a father who has a previous PFA order and violation. Sexual Harassment conviction, and step children with both drug and violent criminal records. While the children's mother works in Health Care and has criminal clearances, including FBI fingerprinting. HHMMMM, wonder how this father got away with that one????
Why do I think you're not telling the whole story? You sound angry that things didn't go your way.

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