Pueblos ask train riders to refrain f...

Pueblos ask train riders to refrain from snapping pics of triba...

There are 14 comments on the The Santa Fe New Mexican story from Jul 1, 2009, titled Pueblos ask train riders to refrain from snapping pics of triba.... In it, The Santa Fe New Mexican reports that:

Photo: Manuel Romero rides the Rail Runner Express commuter train through Santa Fe.

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Kevin

Albuquerque, NM

#1 Jul 29, 2009
a bunch of weeds? this guy needs to look at the history of these tribes who fought very hard to retain the rights to their land.... it's not just weeds its our life and we work very hard to preserve our lands while "these" other people destroy it... So before you say somehing ignorant again,(David Hinchecliffe) know your history. That is what we get for siging treaties that no one respects other than the ones giving up their rights... us indians.... when will these people respect us as equals????

Since: Sep 08

Espanola, NM

#2 Jul 29, 2009
Google Maps has snapped a lot of pueblo land. Google Earth Cochiti and Santo Domingo and check the street views.
Local

Rio Rancho, NM

#3 Jul 29, 2009
Kevin wrote:
a bunch of weeds? this guy needs to look at the history of these tribes who fought very hard to retain the rights to their land.... it's not just weeds its our life and we work very hard to preserve our lands while "these" other people destroy it... So before you say somehing ignorant again,(David Hinchecliffe) know your history. That is what we get for siging treaties that no one respects other than the ones giving up their rights... us indians.... when will these people respect us as equals????
Everyone will be treated equal once we stop being a victim of the past and our race, and act simply like human beings.
Really thirsty

United States

#4 Jul 29, 2009
I suppose them Indians will object to us drinking a tall cool snapple while crossing that dry dusty sacred barren desert snapping pics tambien.
Reality

United States

#5 Jul 29, 2009
Kevin wrote:
a bunch of weeds? this guy needs to look at the history of these tribes who fought very hard to retain the rights to their land.... it's not just weeds its our life and we work very hard to preserve our lands while "these" other people destroy it... So before you say somehing ignorant again,(David Hinchecliffe) know your history. That is what we get for siging treaties that no one respects other than the ones giving up their rights... us indians.... when will these people respect us as equals????
Maybe you should follow your own advice and learn your own history before you say more that is ignorant.

Tell me exactly what treaties the Pueblo Indians signed with the US. Please give me a date and a citation.

Tell me exactly what rights you have lost since the US came here in 1846?
PePe

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Jul 30, 2009
The right to be skinny!
Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you should follow your own advice and learn your own history before you say more that is ignorant.
Tell me exactly what treaties the Pueblo Indians signed with the US. Please give me a date and a citation.
Tell me exactly what rights you have lost since the US came here in 1846?
Kevin

Albuquerque, NM

#9 Jul 30, 2009
LOL.. so i see of these closet haters are coming out... everyone plays the victim in everything especially if they are not getting their way… so get over it cuz its everywhere… And for the observant person looking at all of the trash on the rez… the reason for all of these trash being piled up in these empty lots is that all of the lands that were used before to dump the waste were being over utilized by non-Indians, so they closed it down... And to the guy drinking a cool Snapple, do what you will, cuz we have done it for hundreds of years without the drink… cuz when the earth comes to a screeching halt, you will be forced to live off the land and then what?!?!... i guess you better savor the taste of that drink….lol
Hey Pepe,(prolly an illegal) As far as taxes, we pay taxes all the time because we have to leave the rez for work (payroll, FICA, Social Security, etc), to buy food (gross receipt taxes) etc... so maybe you’re the one with a fake SSN# the one evading to pay taxes…lol so poor things that you have to complain about your everyday life in spending the money you make thru your jobs... I’ll make sure to email our congressmen that you have a hard time living your lives....LOl.... I don't see anyone complaining about buying tax free goods like gas, cigarettes, food... so i guess the next time you fill up your gas tanks between Albuquerque and Santa Fe you'll feel great that your saving a few pennies.... and for the Lakota person who is prolly fronting to be native, you
Kevin

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Jul 30, 2009
Hey fool, didn’t directly say that the “Pueblos signed treaties” I was talking about the tribes as a whole… I guess you need to hone up on your reading skills partner… but ne ways here is suome history: The treaties being signed as far as government laws with all tribes (not just pueblos) and still get screwed are Right to vote in 1924,(In 1924, Congress passed the Indian Citizenship Act. The act declared "that all non-citizen Indians born within the territorial limits of the United States be, and they are hereby, declared to be citizens of the United States...." Even though the 1924 law passed by Congress made Indians citizens of the United States, New Mexico still denied Indians the right to vote.) "Native Americans, like other minority groups, have had to struggle to settle the question of their citizenship in the United States. In the Constitution (Article I, Sec. 2; Fourteenth Amendment, Sec. 2) you will find the words "Indians not taxed." Officials used these words to exclude counting Indians when deciding how many representative a state could send to Congress. Indians were excluded on the basis that they lived in tribes.“The Constitution of the State of New Mexico also excluded Indians from citizenship. In Article VII, section 1, you will find the following words: "Every male citizen of the United States, who is over the age of twenty-one years, and has resided in New Mexico twelve months,., except idiots, insane persons, persons convicted of a felonious or infamous crime unless restored to political rights, and Indians not taxed, shall be qualified to vote at all elections for public officers.”“The Indian Reorganization Act (IRA) of 1934 was an early step in the renewal of tribal self-governance, in the forms of creation of constitutions and employment of counsel. It was somewhat limited as all tribal actions were subject to review by the Secretary of the Interior (via the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA).In the 1950s there was a renewed effort by some Congressmen to move toward assimilation and terminate the special relationship between the federal government and tribal nations. The federal government sought to terminate the legal standing of numerous tribes, judging their members ready to be independent citizens. More than 100 tribes and communities were terminated. For more on Termination, please see Indian termination policy.The failure of Termination policies became obvious with assessment in the late 1960s. Native Americans and the federal government began to work for a return to greater Indian rights represented by the earlier IRA. The passage of the Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 was influential in the road to self-determination. It guaranteed the application of the Bill of Rights upon Indian Country (tribal nations), a guarantee Native Americans on reservations had not enjoyed, given their special relationship to the federal government.”(wikipedia)
So there is a brief history in the last 100 years of political injustice (ie Manny Aragon) the country and states were doing to the tribes.
Reality

United States

#11 Jul 30, 2009
"That is what we get for siging treaties that no one respects other than the ones giving up their rights... us indians.... when will these people respect us as equals????"

That is the quote. It says "we" signed. Now it turns out somebody else signed. So my reading is fine and -- Kevin -- you read what you want to see, not what is there.

"The treaties being signed as far as government laws with all tribes (not just pueblos) and still get screwed are Right to vote in 1924,(In 1924, Congress passed the Indian Citizenship Act." This is you quoted, Kevin, and, please don't pretend that you know history when you seem to think that an act of Congress is a treaty.

And you never anwered my questions. That whole history you quote is not one of injustice -- it is one of the pueblos gaining rights. Again, answer my question - what rights have you -- the Pueblo Indians lost? The history of the Pueblo Indians is one of rights gained since the US arrived.

You can wrap yourself in injustices that happened to the Cherokees or the Pawnees or the Comanchees or the Apaches or whoever you wish, but they didn't happen to the Pueblos Indians. You didn't go on the trail of tears and Lord Amherst never gave your ancestors smallpox blankets.

But isn't it true, Kevin, that you ignore the actual history because you are pathetically eager to paint yourself as a victim? It is fashionable to be a victim and not take responsibility your own problems. Instead you can blame them on somebody else.
kevin

Albuquerque, NM

#12 Jul 31, 2009
The truth of the matter is that people like you choose to paint who the victims are and who are not... how many history books are out there that illustrate the wrong doing of pueblo Indians... the trail of tears is one story but do you know pueblo Indians we apart of the long walk, cuz most of the pueblo people married into the Navajo tribes... what about the Acoma incident that happened.. We choose to keep this verbal history out from books cuz we don't like to be looked at the victims... yet people like you choose to not fully understand the culture and the teachings but rely on books which people wrote having their own views and biases.... so if you factual information on how we live and survive on the rez, I suggest you go find out for yourself... maybe you can jump off the train and stop off at one of the pueblos and see how it really feels on the rez... you'll see if we are blaming others for our sometimes poor conditions... we continue to live with what we have... this newspaper article was just a plea to protect what lil is left in our world that we truly cherish... but for you, you choose to publish this to the whole world to see... so you tell me who has values or plays the victim more???? so i suggest you put down the lies or non-factual information in the books and see how it is on the rez without your predetermined views??? sucka!!!!!!!!!!
Reality

United States

#13 Jul 31, 2009
kevin wrote:
The truth of the matter is that people like you choose to paint who the victims are and who are not... how many history books are out there that illustrate the wrong doing of pueblo Indians... the trail of tears is one story but do you know pueblo Indians we apart of the long walk, cuz most of the pueblo people married into the Navajo tribes... what about the Acoma incident that happened.. We choose to keep this verbal history out from books cuz we don't like to be looked at the victims... yet people like you choose to not fully understand the culture and the teachings but rely on books which people wrote having their own views and biases.... so if you factual information on how we live and survive on the rez, I suggest you go find out for yourself... maybe you can jump off the train and stop off at one of the pueblos and see how it really feels on the rez... you'll see if we are blaming others for our sometimes poor conditions... we continue to live with what we have... this newspaper article was just a plea to protect what lil is left in our world that we truly cherish... but for you, you choose to publish this to the whole world to see... so you tell me who has values or plays the victim more???? so i suggest you put down the lies or non-factual information in the books and see how it is on the rez without your predetermined views??? sucka!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, the Acoma incident happened, but in 1598, and you really can't blame on the US.(And of course it is in the history books.)

Awful things happened to every body's ancestors if you want to go back for centuries. Should I tell you how my ancestors suffered over the centuries?

The rest you are making up as you go along in your pathetic desire to be a victim. Why is it that you are unable to write a coherent sentence? Why don't you know what a paragraph is? Is it because of what happened in 1598?

The beginning of maturity will be when you admit is because you goofed off in class.

Just for laughs I will call you once more on your claim to have lost rights. What rights have you lost since the US came in 1846? What rights do I have that you don't? Name one.

Also for laughs I will ask you once more to name one of these treaties that you claimed that the Pueblo Indians signed with the US.

Kevin, I have never taken an unauthorized photo on a reservation and I never will. But I will not sit still for you making up history and then lecturing us on it.
Confused

Albuquerque, NM

#14 Aug 1, 2009
Kenvin, I understand the comment of the Pueblos not wanting people who ride the trains to not take pictures as they go through the reservation. But I don't understand why? Does this also pertain to people who drive through? Indian culture is such a big part of American History and many people are very enthused about traveling through some part of a resevation. They mean no harm. I am sorry there are some who show no consideration for your way of life.

If you have chosen (meaning whoever makes these decisions for you) that certain aspects of history not be written in books, then how are we to know what really happened? We were not there, and only have what books we have for information.

As for going onto the resevation and finding out how you live and survive, I would not be so forward as to intrude upon you in that way. Furthermore, I, and most other people, would not be welcome. What Native Americans I have met on the reservations have been very rude and would not even speak. Why should I go any further?

I have one other question. Doesn't the Casinos divide up their profit among the tribe? Forgive me if I am wrong, but wouldn't that help?
abiquiuense

Los Ojos, NM

#15 Feb 14, 2010
[CALHOUN TO BROWN.1]

No. 71.

Indian Agency, Santa Fe, New Mexico. July 16th 1850.
Sir,

A moment is afforded to me to enclose the accompanying Treaty, which I felt it to be my duty to make, under the authority of your letter of the 24th of April last.
The treaty is made with the Pueblos of Santa Clara—Tesuque— Nambe—Santo Domingo—Jemez—San Felipe—Cochiti—San Ildefonso—Santa Ana—and Cia (or Silla) the only Pueblos I have been able to see since the receipt of your letter alluded to—I hope to be able to see the others in a short time, and there is no doubt as to their entering into similar stipulations. With great respect, James Silas Calhoun
p. 227 Calhoun's Correspondence, Annie Heloise Abel

Courtesy; Abiquiuense, tracing our pueblo's history for recognition
abiquiuense

Los Ojos, NM

#16 Feb 14, 2010
Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you should follow your own advice and learn your own history before you say more that is ignorant.
Tell me exactly what treaties the Pueblo Indians signed with the US. Please give me a date and a citation.
Tell me exactly what rights you have lost since the US came here in 1846?
Indian Agency, Santa Fe, New Mexico. July 16th 1850.
Sir,

A moment is afforded to me to enclose the accompanying Treaty, which I felt it to be my duty to make, under the authority of your letter of the 24th of April last.
The treaty is made with the Pueblos of Santa Clara—Tesuque— Nambe—Santo Domingo—Jemez—San Felipe—Cochiti—San Ildefonso—Santa Ana—and Cia (or Silla) the only Pueblos I have been able to see since the receipt of your letter alluded to—I hope to be able to see the others in a short time, and there is no doubt as to their entering into similar stipulations. With great respect, James Silas Calhoun

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