Archbishop Sanchez buried at cathedral

Jan 27, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: KASA-TV Albuquerque

Sacred sounds filled the air inside and outside of St. Francis Cathedral Basilica as a procession of priests and bishops from across the Southwest started Thursday's funeral mass for Archbishop Robert Sanchez.

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deal. Good riddance to the monster.
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someone doesn't like having it pointed out that he was a worthless monster. Very appropriate for the most corrupt and deviant organization in existence to plant his putrid body on its own grounds.

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and he is deified while his victims still walk in his shadow. i guess that forgiveness is larger than what i had imagined.
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granted aimlessly by the weak minded and gullible serves only to perpetuates the twisted illusions the Roman Catholic Church has fabricated to control the weak-minded and gullible all too eager to buy into them without commonsense question or courageous challenge.
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It is okay to feel bitter. Deeply hurt! Indignant! It is appropriate to feel great pain as this man is celebrated by some, even though he did not always walk the talk.

Celebrated! Though he did not protect the most vulnerable from those whom the vulnerable should expect to trust.

It is a massive, terrible betrayal, his role in the story of pedophile priests who preyed. And terrible is the story of his victimization of the girls/young women that he himself violated.

And the victims will always suffer post-traumatic stress.

It is a terrible thing to betray trust.

But it is a bittersweet story as well.

He did pay great penance.

And after the trauma of his own exposure,
and after long penance,

He was blessed.

Eventually the Alzheimer's took even his long-term memory.
He could forget.

Finally he was blessed with death.

It is bittersweet.
And that is the basic nature of the Catholic Church.
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the basic nature of the Roman Catholic Deviate Sex Cult. Always has been. Always will be.
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the basic nature of the Roman Catholic Deviate Sex Cult. Always has been. Always will be.
This is one time when I really see both sides. I really do.

Not for myself, but Catholicism is a great comfort to many. Always has been, always will be.
And he lived that faith and gave comfort to many.

But also he fell, and caused great grief and turmoil. And the victims were young and innocent.

It is a terrible story. It shocked and hurt many, including myself; though I am not Catholic.

But I do think that he was remorseful. I hope so.

He lost esteem.

And then he was blessed with forgetfulness.

It seems a very Catholic story to me. And one might substitute the word forgiveness, for the word forgetfulness.

It doesn't mean that any person that he hurt is obligated to forgive him. I barely knew him, and I am not Catholic, and I am not sure even I have forgiven what he did to individuals who trusted him and to our whole culture in New Mexico. And he did not hurt me directly, as he did others. But I was shocked and so disappointed.

But I think some part of him was good. Not sure how to balance his good and bad, or if they can balance.

Yes, personally I do think that some remnant of sexual abuse problems will remain and be tolerated in some places in the Church until priests are allowed to marry.

I hope that rule changes.

They have not always had to be celibate, and I hope they will not always have to be.

If a black man can be elected President, then maybe the Catholic Church can change as well, and not require celibacy.

I hope so.

Being a priest is difficult work. They need the comfort of soul mates as much as the rest of us do.

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Queen of the Night wrote:
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Being a priest is difficult work. They need the comfort of soul mates as much as the rest of us do.
Well said, but don't you think that priests actually have the ultimate soul mates?
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is the Roman Catholic Church and its protective policy that enables deviant behavior with minor consequences. This particular monster and others deserve to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for their crimes, not merely wrist-slapped and relocated to do more harm to others.
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this is how the Roman Catholic Church has always been and will continue to be as long as its hordes of gullible, pliant, immoral sheep continue empowering its perverted leadership - thus making themselves equally culpable for their vile crimes against humanity.

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This is one time when I really see both sides. I really do.
Not for myself, but Catholicism is a great comfort to many. Always has been, always will be.
And he lived that faith and gave comfort to many.
But also he fell, and caused great grief and turmoil. And the victims were young and innocent.
It is a terrible story. It shocked and hurt many, including myself; though I am not Catholic.
But I do think that he was remorseful. I hope so.
He lost esteem.
And then he was blessed with forgetfulness.
It seems a very Catholic story to me. And one might substitute the word forgiveness, for the word forgetfulness.
It doesn't mean that any person that he hurt is obligated to forgive him. I barely knew him, and I am not Catholic, and I am not sure even I have forgiven what he did to individuals who trusted him and to our whole culture in New Mexico. And he did not hurt me directly, as he did others. But I was shocked and so disappointed.
But I think some part of him was good. Not sure how to balance his good and bad, or if they can balance.
Yes, personally I do think that some remnant of sexual abuse problems will remain and be tolerated in some places in the Church until priests are allowed to marry.
I hope that rule changes.
They have not always had to be celibate, and I hope they will not always have to be.
If a black man can be elected President, then maybe the Catholic Church can change as well, and not require celibacy.
I hope so.
Being a priest is difficult work. They need the comfort of soul mates as much as the rest of us do.
Nicely said Queenie! I am shocked at your intelligence, nah, it takes intelligence to write the way you do and what you have been up to on GOD and TIS. As a Catholic I do think that allowing the clergy to marry would be a grand idea. I don't know if it will happen in my lifetime though.
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in the clergy will do nothing to curb rampant deviant behavior amongst its rank and file. Their perversity is inherent and the Roman Catholic Church is their primary haven.

It attracts them. It nurtures them. It shields them.
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in the clergy will do nothing to curb rampant deviant behavior amongst its rank and file. Their perversity is inherent and the Roman Catholic Church is their primary haven.
It attracts them. It nurtures them. It shields them.
True, that the present set-up attracts, nurtures, shields perverts. I honestly don't know whether the deviant behavior is rampant. I'd like to think it is not, but it may be.

I just think that if the priests were allowed to marry, it would clean up. Maybe slowly, but eventually.

In fact I think marriage for priests, straight or gay is the only real key to cleaning it up. That there will always be problems, until it does allow marriage for priests. Nuns too. And originally, priests could marry.

And they start by having a Preist Corps, like the Peace Corps. A limited term of involvement. Then after that is popular, let married people be in the Priest Corps. Then allow the regular
lifetime- committed Priests to marry. And maybe less would stay in for life, but still, I think the Priesthood would be more vibrant. And definitely cleaner.

I did feel touched by the way Sanchez died, with Alzheimer's, a fitting forgetfulness/forgiveness?

A very sad, bittersweet end, to his chapter in the messed up Church history of pedophilia... I rather think that I like that he's being buried in the cathedral. Wasn't sure they would.

When he was Archbishop, I liked, was very, very favorably impressed by what I knew about/saw of "Bobby" until the scandal broke. Let's not forget that helped many people as well as hurt everyone.
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Well said, but don't you think that priests actually have the ultimate soul mates?
Perhaps spiritually, but not physically, and I think they need the comfort of physical intimacy as much as anyone, maybe more, given their role, and I don't think they should have to sacrifice that in order to fulfill that role.
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It is okay to feel bitter. Deeply hurt! Indignant! It is appropriate to feel great pain as this man is celebrated by some, even though he did not always walk the talk.
Celebrated! Though he did not protect the most vulnerable from those whom the vulnerable should expect to trust.
It is a massive, terrible betrayal, his role in the story of pedophile priests who preyed. And terrible is the story of his victimization of the girls/young women that he himself violated.
And the victims will always suffer post-traumatic stress.
It is a terrible thing to betray trust.
But it is a bittersweet story as well.
He did pay great penance.
And after the trauma of his own exposure,
and after long penance,
He was blessed.
Eventually the Alzheimer's took even his long-term memory.
He could forget.
Finally he was blessed with death.
It is bittersweet.
And that is the basic nature of the Catholic Church.
If you've ever had a family member with dementia you know that the short term memory is what goes. They remember what happened 20 years ago like it was yesterday.
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<quoted text>Nicely said Queenie! I am shocked at your intelligence, nah, it takes intelligence to write the way you do and what you have been up to on GOD and TIS. As a Catholic I do think that allowing the clergy to marry would be a grand idea. I don't know if it will happen in my lifetime though.
Maybe a married clergy isn't the answer, but if a woman can pass the seminary, why can't she be a priest?

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Maybe a married clergy isn't the answer, but if a woman can pass the seminary, why can't she be a priest?
Episcopal.
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Episcopal.
A Roman Catholic priest.

Really, in the time of Jesus, could a woman roam the countryside with a group of men and not be labeled a harlot? Jesus picked men for this reason. To exclude women from the priesthood is just stupid, why exclude half the population?

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A Roman Catholic priest.
Really, in the time of Jesus, could a woman roam the countryside with a group of men and not be labeled a harlot? Jesus picked men for this reason. To exclude women from the priesthood is just stupid, why exclude half the population?
Mary Magdalene.
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Mary Magdalene.
Was the wife of Jesus.

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