Counties to appeal NM gay marriage ru...

Counties to appeal NM gay marriage ruling

There are 11 comments on the www.daily-times.com story from Aug 29, 2013, titled Counties to appeal NM gay marriage ruling. In it, www.daily-times.com reports that:

County clerks across New Mexico on Thursday joined a lawsuit that allowed same-sex couples to be married, and the move by the local officials clears the way for an appeal to the Supreme Court that could provide a statewide decision on whether gay marriage is legal.

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#1 Aug 30, 2013
Parts of that article are confusing to me.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#3 Aug 30, 2013
from the article, "...state statutes include a model marriage license application that has sections for male and female applicants and there are other references in the marriage laws to "husband" and "wife." Such provisions have been cited by county clerks historically in denying marriage licenses to same-sex couples, and Attorney General Gary King's office has said state law effectively prohibits gay marriages."

So if someone typed "Whites Only" at the top of one of those forms, would it magically become law in New Mexico that only white couples could marry??

Somehow I doubt that. Yet, they'll take any excuse they can to stop gay couples from marrying. I just don't understand how people can be such sheep (speaking of the clerks, and everyone else, too).

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#4 Aug 30, 2013
eJohn wrote:
from the article, "...state statutes include a model marriage license application that has sections for male and female applicants and there are other references in the marriage laws to "husband" and "wife." Such provisions have been cited by county clerks historically in denying marriage licenses to same-sex couples, and Attorney General Gary King's office has said state law effectively prohibits gay marriages."
So if someone typed "Whites Only" at the top of one of those forms, would it magically become law in New Mexico that only white couples could marry??
Somehow I doubt that. Yet, they'll take any excuse they can to stop gay couples from marrying. I just don't understand how people can be such sheep (speaking of the clerks, and everyone else, too).
Many State forms are passed upon by State Legislatures as part of Bills establishing a given program, service or department and governing it's operations. Such forms have the force of Law. Some application forms are such. You can see the date of their legal enactment and/or revision printed somewhere on the form; usually at the bottom right corner. For example, take a look at your Driver License Application form the next time you renew.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#5 Aug 30, 2013
snyper wrote:
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Many State forms are passed upon by State Legislatures as part of Bills establishing a given program, service or department and governing it's operations. Such forms have the force of Law. Some application forms are such. You can see the date of their legal enactment and/or revision printed somewhere on the form; usually at the bottom right corner. For example, take a look at your Driver License Application form the next time you renew.
That makes sense, of course.

But unless they've also included a gender-specific definition of "Bride" and "Groom", doesn't that still leave the issue open to interpretation? Who's to say that *I* can't be a "Bride" on my wedding day?

;-)

The thing about laws, especially when people want to enforce them to the exclusion of people they don't like, is that they need to be VERY specific. Anything not in the law is open to "interpretation."

For example, a law requiring the licensing of house pets. Are the dog that sleeps in his own house in the backyard and the cats that sleep in the barn required to be licensed? Or just the one dog that sleeps in the house? What about the bird in the sitting room or the fish in the kid's room?

Law enforcement requires people to be reasonable when it comes to adhering to a law. As long as everyone behaves like grown-ups and is reasonable about what the law says, everything's fine.

But the minute people start to interpret a law in a manner that's unfair, they should a) expect push-back from those being discriminated against and b) expect the law they're interpreting to be changed so as to not allow them to discriminate anymore.

I'm confident that this is what's going to happen in New Mexico. Once again, the hate-mongers' attempts at forcing discrimination into laws that don't currently discriminate, will only lead to a definitive end to that discrimination.

So the question is, when will they learn? WILL they learn? Probably not.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#6 Aug 30, 2013
The article is confusing, because the situation is confusing. You really have to use your imagination to say the state's marriage requirements include a couple being of the opposite sex. Read the statutes, the only place where they are not gender neutral is where they lay out which consanguineous marriages not allowed. They have just been pretending that same sex marriages have been prohibited for at least 35 years now. They may have gotten a 'model certificate' that said bride and groom, but the one the statutes actually call for are marriages between fill in the blank to fill in the blank (section 18).

http://www.lawserver.com/law/state/new-mexico...

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

Since: Nov 08

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#8 Sep 1, 2013
I think the only mention of man and woman (making that a reference to opposite sex) was in the regulation for the marriage license itself. And that was amended I think in 1994 or so, around the same time they didn't require a physical or syphilis test.

Man and woman is only a recent addition and is on the form, not in the actual marriage law. So much for the bureaucrats and their forms. Don't tell me that is driving this train.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#9 Sep 1, 2013
Another problem with mention of gender is that it does appear in divorce law (husband and wife). Given the legal profession I guess they could argue that a SSM is not subject to the divorce laws because of gender. this is what happens when you cobble laws together.

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#10 Sep 1, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
Another problem with mention of gender is that it does appear in divorce law (husband and wife). Given the legal profession I guess they could argue that a SSM is not subject to the divorce laws because of gender. this is what happens when you cobble laws together.
" ... strain at gnats and swallow camels ... "

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#11 Sep 1, 2013
snyper wrote:
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" ... strain at gnats and swallow camels ... "
you blind guides....Matthew 23:24.

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#13 Sep 2, 2013
Ducas wrote:
Stand strong New Mexico!
Fight for your decency and your families!
Fight against .....!
Says the unregistered poster with the anonymous proxy ...
Hate

Santa Fe, NM

#14 Sep 2, 2013
Ducas wrote:
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is the real perversion

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