N.M. Near Bottom In Vocabulary Scores

N.M. Near Bottom In Vocabulary Scores

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“US Navy”

Since: Jan 10

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#1 Dec 8, 2012
Interesting Journal article:

New Mexico’s fourth-graders scored dead last among the 50 states in vocabulary skills, according to a report released this week from the National Assessment of Educational Progress. Only the District of Columbia scored lower.

Eighth-graders fared slightly better, outscoring students in California, Mississippi, Hawaii, Louisiana and the District of Columbia.

Why am I not surprised? Oh, would you like fries with your newspaper, the one most can't read?

“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

Santa Fe, NM

#2 Dec 8, 2012
CornDogz wrote:
Interesting Journal article:
New Mexico’s fourth-graders scored dead last among the 50 states in vocabulary skills, according to a report released this week from the National Assessment of Educational Progress. Only the District of Columbia scored lower.
Eighth-graders fared slightly better, outscoring students in California, Mississippi, Hawaii, Louisiana and the District of Columbia.
Why am I not surprised? Oh, would you like fries with your newspaper, the one most can't read?
Not surprising when you consider that 20% of the population in New Mexico lives in poverty http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/acsbr11-0... The only state with higher poverty is Mississippi.
Hagar

Albuquerque, NM

#3 Dec 8, 2012
It's not just reading/vocabulary. Did you ever try to buy something in a store when the electronic cash register isn't working? Most clerks can't make change w/o the cash register telling them how! I guess the old saying "Those who can do, those who can't teach." That's who are teaching the kids today. If you can't make it in Medicine/Science/Engineering you go into Business or Law; if you can't make it there you go into Teaching.
Hagar

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Dec 8, 2012
Lobo Viejo wrote:
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Not surprising when you consider that 20% of the population in New Mexico lives in poverty http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/acsbr11-0... The only state with higher poverty is Mississippi.
Your statistics are interesting but what is the correlation? Poverty = poor vocabulary? Does poverty keep your mind and ears from working? Even people who live in "poverty" usually have a TV or radio and the vocabulary on those is relatively extensive. Blaming poverty for all the ills of the country is just an excuse for bureaucrats to spend more money w/o any benefits.

“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

Santa Fe, NM

#5 Dec 8, 2012
Hagar wrote:
<quoted text>Your statistics are interesting but what is the correlation? Poverty = poor vocabulary? Does poverty keep your mind and ears from working? Even people who live in "poverty" usually have a TV or radio and the vocabulary on those is relatively extensive. Blaming poverty for all the ills of the country is just an excuse for bureaucrats to spend more money w/o any benefits.
Oh yeah, I forgot, the kids should just deploy the Romney solution and ask their parents for a loan so they can go to a private school.

It's all related, dude. Poor state, low pay for teachers, kids coming to school hungry, low test scores. And despite all of Susana's promises to improve things for kids, and her good intentions to do so, no governor has ever had the wherewithall to fix this.
Hagar

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Dec 8, 2012
Lobo Viejo wrote:
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Oh yeah, I forgot, the kids should just deploy the Romney solution and ask their parents for a loan so they can go to a private school.
It's all related, dude. Poor state, low pay for teachers, kids coming to school hungry, low test scores. And despite all of Susana's promises to improve things for kids, and her good intentions to do so, no governor has ever had the wherewithall to fix this.
Who claims it takes a private school to have a good vocabulary? You are usually very precise in your posts, yet you haven't established a relationship between poverty and vocabulary. And you are correct, governors and money do NOT correct the situation. Teachers pay and vocabulary have no correlation either. You keep bringing up politics such as your statement about a Romney solution. Politics don't have any bearing on vocabulary, except my experience is that the liberal posters on this site seem to use an excess of vulgarity.

“US Navy”

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#7 Dec 8, 2012
Lobo Viejo wrote:
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Not surprising when you consider that 20% of the population in New Mexico lives in poverty http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/acsbr11-0... The only state with higher poverty is Mississippi.
That probably has a bearing, but why? Why should being poor weigh in on one learning in school - if one attends? Is it due to homework, or no reinforcement at home? Why is the lack of so many things always equated with poverty? If valid, is there no way out?

Note of course that this is about vocabulary. I truly wonder of the same holds true for math and other basic skills. What do we need to do to change this - how?

“US Navy”

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#8 Dec 8, 2012
Lobo Viejo wrote:
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Oh yeah, I forgot, the kids should just deploy the Romney solution and ask their parents for a loan so they can go to a private school.
It's all related, dude. Poor state, low pay for teachers, kids coming to school hungry, low test scores. And despite all of Susana's promises to improve things for kids, and her good intentions to do so, no governor has ever had the wherewithall to fix this.
1- lame shot at Romney in this instance.
2- private schools won't allow underachievers in.
3- more pay is not the only answer, if even a good one in part.
4- blaming the Governor is lame too. If anyone is to blame in a general sense here its our NM legislature. Note I didn't mention which party controls it as one is as lame as the other in this instance. Nobody in the political arena is willing to meet this crisis head-on, they just continue to make it a monetary issue, which in part it most certainly is - HOWEVER...

“US Navy”

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#9 Dec 8, 2012
Hagar wrote:
<quoted text>Who claims it takes a private school to have a good vocabulary? You are usually very precise in your posts, yet you haven't established a relationship between poverty and vocabulary. And you are correct, governors and money do NOT correct the situation. Teachers pay and vocabulary have no correlation either. You keep bringing up politics such as your statement about a Romney solution. Politics don't have any bearing on vocabulary, except my experience is that the liberal posters on this site seem to use an excess of vulgarity.
Well said sir.

“26.2”

Since: Feb 08

Santa Fe, NM

#10 Dec 8, 2012
Hagar wrote:
<quoted text>Who claims it takes a private school to have a good vocabulary? You are usually very precise in your posts, yet you haven't established a relationship between poverty and vocabulary. And you are correct, governors and money do NOT correct the situation. Teachers pay and vocabulary have no correlation either. You keep bringing up politics such as your statement about a Romney solution. Politics don't have any bearing on vocabulary, except my experience is that the liberal posters on this site seem to use an excess of vulgarity.
Many relationships between poverty and poor education have been established. For example, http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2008... There may or may not be a study that specifically addresses vocabulary, I don't know. But vocabulary is one measure of education so why would you not expect to see vocabulary skills suffer along with other measures of education with increasing poverty?
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#11 Dec 9, 2012
Proof that spanglish and ebonics do not lend themselves to understandable speech. Eg: cop fired for writing police reports in ebonics.
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#12 Dec 9, 2012
Hagar wrote:
It's not just reading/vocabulary. Did you ever try to buy something in a store when the electronic cash register isn't working? Most clerks can't make change w/o the cash register telling them how!
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So so true, BUT it is remarkable how much of a math genius these kids are in figuring out in their head that you may have under-tipped them. Depends on their personal involvement in the result I guess. Short change you, no problem, honest mistake. Under tip them you're a cheap asz not spreading the wealth.
Hagar

Albuquerque, NM

#13 Dec 9, 2012
Lobo Viejo wrote:
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Many relationships between poverty and poor education have been established. For example, http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2008... There may or may not be a study that specifically addresses vocabulary, I don't know. But vocabulary is one measure of education so why would you not expect to see vocabulary skills suffer along with other measures of education with increasing poverty?
I am assuming, which may be a mistake, that these vocabulary test are testing English vocabulary. In this case, maybe the kids are spending too much time with another language and English vocabulary is not getting enough emphasis.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#14 Dec 10, 2012
Always like the simplistic approach to why students do poorly. Demographics. Look at studies in other countries. They recognize that poverty is just one of the issues. If that were the case, then throwing money at the pupils would make more sense than throwing more money at a broken system. Eradicate poverty. Reshape America. Good thing eugenics hasn't raised its ugly head on this thread.

http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/review-res...

Review of research between education and poverty (UK).

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#15 Dec 10, 2012
CornDogz wrote:
Interesting Journal article:
New Mexico’s fourth-graders scored dead last among the 50 states in vocabulary skills, according to a report released this week from the National Assessment of Educational Progress. Only the District of Columbia scored lower.
Eighth-graders fared slightly better, outscoring students in California, Mississippi, Hawaii, Louisiana and the District of Columbia.
Why am I not surprised? Oh, would you like fries with your newspaper, the one most can't read?
California? Not that is a shocker. We did better than DC because of their Gun Control. Makes as much sense as anything.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#16 Dec 10, 2012
Hagar wrote:
<quoted text>Your statistics are interesting but what is the correlation? Poverty = poor vocabulary? Does poverty keep your mind and ears from working? Even people who live in "poverty" usually have a TV or radio and the vocabulary on those is relatively extensive. Blaming poverty for all the ills of the country is just an excuse for bureaucrats to spend more money w/o any benefits.
We're the only state that insists {maybe California} on trying to be bilingual...we're accommodating {ironically I actually had to look this word up to verify spelling} the aliens language and thereby not fully and effectively teaching english. When you have your own statewide language...spanglish...you're not gonna get good vocabulary skills...and it can't be poverty...schools are free and you get cheap books at the Goodwill...

Si? I mean jes? Darn it...yes?

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

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Dread Pirate Roberts

#17 Dec 10, 2012
Willothewisp wrote:
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California? Not that is a shocker. We did better than DC because of their Gun Control. Makes as much sense as anything.
DC and politicians...explains a lot...

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#18 Dec 10, 2012
Those who do not suffer from the sequelae of poverty are not doing well in school either. Look at the stats across the board. Poverty is one factor. It does not explain the low graduation rate across demographics. Nice if it were that simple. Guess if you fail and are not poor then we can blame you and your parents.

No one is blaming the victim. No one is trying to find a simple perpetrator. We would just like to fix it. But, remember, education is mandatory and that is enforced by the state. Seems that mandatory is not always helpful or healthy.

“US Navy”

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#19 Dec 10, 2012
Willothewisp wrote:
Those who do not suffer from the sequelae of poverty are not doing well in school either. Look at the stats across the board. Poverty is one factor. It does not explain the low graduation rate across demographics. Nice if it were that simple. Guess if you fail and are not poor then we can blame you and your parents.
No one is blaming the victim. No one is trying to find a simple perpetrator. We would just like to fix it. But, remember, education is mandatory and that is enforced by the state. Seems that mandatory is not always helpful or healthy.
Mandatory - kinda like Obamacare? Ok, back on topic.

Poverty may be a factor but I doubt its the prevailing one. In a sense this has become a blanket excuse, not a reason. As you say, those not within the poverty ranks are also subject to low graduation rates. In NM grad rates have been studied numerous times, a consensus reached, then ignored because law makers refuse to accept it. NM is not about education, its about familia.

I think poverty is on the same plane as laziness & apathy as they relate to poor scores, grad rates and education in general - plus in NM the consensus I mentioned above.
Hagar

Albuquerque, NM

#20 Dec 11, 2012
Most failures in school are the result of bad attitude, not just on the part of the student, but also on the part of the parents. Many kids have parents who did not succeed in school and find no reason to stress scholarship to their kids. The nut doesn't fall far from the tree! Granted, there are some few cases where the student is incapable, even with adequate teachers and parents. Parental involvement and stress on making school a success is the prime factor in improving the education in this state.

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