2 women die in separate crashes

2 women die in separate crashes

There are 7 comments on the Fond du Lac Reporter story from Mar 3, 2007, titled 2 women die in separate crashes. In it, Fond du Lac Reporter reports that:

Two women have died in separate traffic accidents on Green Lake County Roads. The victim of a two-vehicle crash on Highway 49 in Green Lake County has been identified as a 42-year-old Berlin woman.

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Phyllis m johnson

Washington, DC

#1 Mar 15, 2007
I am the mother of Susan grenier and the question i have to the county of Green lake is why did you NOT take care of these roads, do you NOT have sand and salt? I will always blame the Green lake county area for Susans death!

If anyone would like to answer my question please respond to [email protected]
Cindy Johnson

AOL

#2 Apr 20, 2007
I am Susans sister and live in the State of Maine. Susan lost control of her vehicle after hitting ice on a road that otherwise should have been better maintained. I am somewhat an expert in this area given that I live in the State of Maine. What is the counties expenditure per mile of road for snow/ice maintenance? In our state; the roads are well iced and sanded round-the-clock during winter weather. I will personally be seeking answers from the county under the FOIA!
Judy Shank

Bronx, NY

#3 Apr 25, 2007
I, too, am the mother of a child who died on Green Lake county roads (Justin Blaine Shank). On Thursday, March 10th of 2005 our lives were forever changed. Our son,(our only child, aged 16), was coming home from school during day light hours on the road to our home (Grand River Rd.-west of Manchester and Markesan). We were told he hit a patch of black ice and slid sideways off the road and hit a tree. It impacted right behind his driver's door. He died within a couple minutes.

Southern Green Lake County Ambulance and the EMT's were fantastic and the Kingston and Dalton First Responders and Firefighters were on the scene almost immediately. They were unable to save our son due to massive injuries.

During this past winter another accident happened at the same spot and the car wound up rolling over. The driver survived.

Grand River Road is very rural and traveled mostly by those of us who live there (both English and Amish). The area where the accidents happened is slightly lower than much of the rest of the road. The day our son died we had had snow and the roads were slushy and icy.

I pray that he did not die because the roads were not maintained. I know there are hundreds of miles of roads and few people to maintain them.

May these comments encourage Green Lake county to do their best to maintain the roads. Our lives and our children's lives do depend on you.

I know in my heart that Justin is in Heaven and I cling to that hope that one day I will see him again with my Savior. Until then I do what I can as an EMT to help as many people survive as possible. Green Lake is a fantastic county and we are blessed with wonderful neighbors and friends.

Until we meet again, take good care, Judy Shank
Cindy Johnson

AOL

#4 May 5, 2007
You can't sue for wrongful death, sand is rarely used on the roads, non-human methods are used to guage road conditions, and oh yes, counties can request from the state, permission to reduce plowing during a storm due to budgetary constraints.

Here are some exerts from the states Highway Department website:

The county highway departments who maintain the state highway system are not liable for injuries caused by ice or snow accumulation on the roadway unless it has been there for more than 3 weeks (State Statute 81.15).
This winter, 64 of the 72 counties in Wisconsin are using a technique called anti-icing, which can save time and money by reducing the effort and materials needed to remove snow and ice.
WisDOT uses an advanced Road Weather Information System (RWIS) and customized forecasts to track weather and pavement conditions. The RWIS has 61 sites across the state that include weather sensors and sensors embedded in the roadway. This data helps determine when to mobilize staff, time deicing/anti-icing agent applications, and choose the best agent to use.
Weekend and evening storms are also more costly than weekday storms because the crews work on overtime.
Salting is cost effective down to a pavement temperature of only about 15-20 degrees.
Sand is sometimes used to improve traction on ice.

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Phyllis m johnson

Washington, DC

#5 Jul 1, 2007
I am Susan Greniers mother and had the occasion to visit Berlin around the 9th of June at that time I became interested in finding out more about the road conditions there in the winter. I was not too surprised to hear that on the night before my daughter had the accident that Berlin and the surrounding areas had hail and freezing rain with snow conditions through the night and at around 8:00 AM with workers getting out to go to there working places roads were very bad; on Rt 49 the road my daughter was killed on, there were cars off the road all over the place. My daughter Susan Grenier was the unlucky one to slip on the black ice at a time when a car was coming in the other direction and could not stop in time to avoid her vehicle. I also heard that the county does not attend to the roads until the storm has passed, well too bad for Susan that it was still storming that morning and roads were not attended too. I feel bad for some of you folks that the taxes you pay for roads seems to be hurting your wallets, pray that your family does not feel this loss and not even your money will make you HAPPY than.
I will continue on anyway to try to change your minds and make you understand that lives are more important than your precious money. Please some of you wake UP!!!
Marie Johnson
Cindy Johnson

AOL

#6 Oct 7, 2007
I went to Berlin Wisconsin for my sisters funeral; her having died in a car crash in that county due to icy conditions. I was astonished to find several people were off the road when we rolled into town due to a snow storm dusting. Just a dusting!! I observed two collisions and several more vehicles off the road. For people not familiar with such driving conditions: let me tell you as a Maine resident. Excessive accidents during a dusting is unheard of. This speaks volumes for the road crews expertise in maintaining the roads, or rather lack of. Its no wonder the state Legislature voted to avoid liability for ill maintained winter roads. Also, its no wonder that the National Highway Safety Board has listed Wisconsin as one of the WORST states for winter road safety. I pray that these very politicians loose their loved one's to the same fate!!
Phyllis Johnson

United States

#7 Oct 14, 2007
Here I go again....We will always miss our Susan, not a day goes by that I am not thinking of her ...OH HOW MUCH PAIN MUST WE ALL ENDURE BEFORE THE ROADS IN GREEN LAKE COUNTY are taken care of in the winter, HIGHWAY CREW when I received your contributation for Susan's family, oh How I wanted to send it right back to you (but instead I forwarded it to her daughter and son in her memory) My feelings were DO YOUR JOBS And keep the ROADS SAFE I hope you heed my advice as one day you may be picking your son, daughter, souse or parents up from a horrible accident that may well have been avoided, had you kept those roads SAFE. May God HAVE MERCY ON YOU ...I will never forgive you for that day..

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