State senate kills ethanol mandate

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State senate kills ethanol mandate TCT The state Senate voted 17-15 today to kill a bill that would have mandated about 10 percent ethanol in regular-grade gasoline in Wisconsin.

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Bob Janke

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Mar 17, 2006
 
One of few intelligent things done by the Senate, now let us hope they do the same to TABOR
Dauntless

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Thank goodness they used their brains. Ethanol lessens fuel efficiency and mandating that we must use it, would have been, in my humble opinion, criminal.
I do understand that it would have been a boon to the farmers, but corn will be increasingly a boon to them anyway since more and more people will be using it in corn burners, saving on their heating bills.
www.iburncorn.com
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I agree with you both!
The cost and use of fuel to actually produce ethanol, especially when it doesn't work in most vehicles, would be criminal!
Cheddie

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Oct 9, 2007
 
I tried to follow the link to the article pertaining to the ethanol. But, all I got was an article explaining the merger between beer companies.
Scott

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Oct 10, 2007
 
Where do you people get your information? I work for a company that has 153 vehicles that are E-85 capable. I drive one of these 3-500 miles each day.

I use E-85 every day and my vehicle gets about 14 miles less per TANK, when I pay 50-65 cents less per gallon, that adds up. Yes, I know the argument that E-85 costs x amount to produce, etc. Save it.

10% in a vehicle does NOT decrease fuel efficiency any noticeable amount.

Running 10% ethanol in your car eliminates the need to use fuel deicers and antifreeze as well also saving you money.

To the person who misspoke about most vehicles can not use it, next time, try to be honest and do not spin the statement.

ALL vehicles from the early 70's on up can run 10% ethanol without harming the engine. ALL small engines can also run it. It keeps the engine cleaner and saves us a bit from foreign oil.

Is it perfect? No, but why must you fools go against every step someone tries?
Scott

Eau Claire, WI

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Oct 11, 2007
 
4th Amendment wrote:
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You're a moron Scott.
Name calling makes you feel better? Seems you won the topic now that you insulted someone right?
4th Amendment wrote:
<quoted text>No one is saying ethanol should not be used. The government should not be mandating it.

Neither am I.
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<quoted text>We live in a capitalist society so if ethanol turns out to be something the consumers want, then the free-market will adapt it. If ethanol is not something people want then they will not buy it.
I agree.
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<quoted text>Or, is your argument that the common consumer is too stupid to make their own decisions?
Where did you get that from? My comment (not my argument) was that the 'common consumer' needs to be presented the opportunity to see the facts and real life experiences rather than regurgitated hype spewed by the misinformed.
Serene

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Oct 11, 2007
 
Right on!! The news media is about getting readership or viewers and seems to have succumbed to "entertainment" in place of news. So, we have to dig deeper. The increasing propensity to have conglomerates in the news business only makes it harder to find anything without some kind of "spin" on it.

As for the common consumer, government has some obligation to protect us, but there is a fine line there that deals with saving us from ourselves. Let's take motorcycle helmets..a state issue..clearly they offer more protection. But, clearly maybe we are saving the gene pool by not mandating it.

If the free market won't rule in the case of ethanol, then the acreage will be planted in something else.
Dauntless

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Oct 12, 2007
 
Not only is ethanol less fuel efficient for your vehicle, great amounts of water are used in its production. With global warming, we're going to need all the water we can get for human consumption and crop irrigation.
To waste water on inferior fuel is surely stupid.
Dauntless

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To 4th Amendment:
You are absolutely correct and your reasoning is perfect. You said:
We live in a capitalist society so if ethanol turns out to be something the consumers want, then the free-market will adapt it. If ethanol is not something people want then they will not buy it.
Cheddie

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Oct 12, 2007
 
Dauntless wrote:
Not only is ethanol less fuel efficient for your vehicle, great amounts of water are used in its production. With global warming, we're going to need all the water we can get for human consumption and crop irrigation.
To waste water on inferior fuel is surely stupid.
Certainly food for thought! I wish there was 48 hours in one day; and I could stay awake for all of them. I would love the time to read the details regarding so many, many subjects.

I like these threads. I do like to listen and learn, before I go out and do some research! Have a great day, everyone!:)
Scott

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Oct 12, 2007
 
Dauntless wrote:
Not only is ethanol less fuel efficient for your vehicle, great amounts of water are used in its production. With global warming, we're going to need all the water we can get for human consumption and crop irrigation.
To waste water on inferior fuel is surely stupid.
And that water just magically disappears during production? Huh? Where does it go?

Less efficient? Did you miss my post above?
Scott

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Oct 12, 2007
 
Dauntless wrote:
....With global warming, we're going to need all the water we can get for human consumption and crop irrigation.
To waste water on inferior fuel is surely stupid.
Is there a shortage of water on Earth? Are you saying that because it is not exactly equal to gas or better that producing it is a waste of resources?

What about all of the resources poured into producing gas?

With logic like that, nothing will ever get done.

I am sure you did not mean it that way, but it sure could easily be taken that way.
Cheddie

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I have been told that cars today are able to run on ethanol; however, not with as much pick up. I did not take this to mean ethanol was less efficient, though.

Maybe ethanol is the way to go, but it is the people that will have to slow down and be inconvienced a bit while doing it, until new cars are made to run as well with ethanol in the fuel tanks.

Has it been mentioned that it would take loads of water to produce ethanol, and this sizeable water usage would create another huge problem down the road? That certainly would be an angle to research before we do anything.

We certainly don't need the government to be our nanny, and I'm tired of having "big brother" breathing down my back too. But, I also believe it has been the "me, me, me..." and the "pleasure me now" culture that people endlessly languish in, that has caused some serious pitfalls in this nation.

And, possibly, THAT'S why the government is trying to correct these pitfalls. However, nothing is solved and more problems are created when people act like rebellious teens who want their cake and want it now - even though their endless consumption of that cake is NOT good for them or anyone else. Follow?

It takes a village to raise our children and make positive changes in our societies. A big, adamant, selfless village. Can we do it?
Cheddie

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I just read an article stating that a large percentage of college students are more selfish now than they have ever been. I believe this could be true. But, who raised these kids? Parents! Who will raise our grandchildren? Our kids!

The buck has to stop somewhere. And whoever makes that stance, to stop the buck, is going to have to dig their heels in deep, fight the masses, try harder than they've ever tried before, tighten the belt, buckle down, etc. Can we do it?

Life has gotten so busy, the information highway has gotten so fast, technologically has jumped so far, etc. Parents can barely keep up with life AND spend quality time with kids without fighting them over something the government expects the parents to do. Yes, parents are responsible and accountable for one heckuva lot; we took that all on when we decided to have kids. But, humans are human. Human nature is one of our biggest assets, but also one of our biggest liabilities.

We have got to slow down and get back to the "basics" that always worked, and got pushed to the side when we realized other things worked too but didn't work as well as the "basics" that got pushed to the side.

I'm not claiming to have insight into what those basics are, because I feel my generation was part of the start of "me, me, me....", because of the opportunities and pleasures just getting introduced to the generation before me. It's only gotten worse as each generation came to be.

Okay. I'm going back to cleaning the house, and I'll be getting off of my soapbox now. Thanks for listening!:)
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What's Happening - not very nice. Good parenting needs a good support system. In my opinion, it does take a village.

If I saw a child get hurt on the playground or get their feelings hurt, I wouldn't ask him/her who his/her parents were before I asked if they needed help.

I'll leave the "crack" you made about my children having a mother who votes for Hillary alone; I'm not sure what was meant by it, but you couldn't be more way off base. Thank you.
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Whats happening wrote:
Cheddie---It does not take a village to raise our children--it takes two responisble parents who know the difference between right and wrong. Stay away from my children and I will do the same for you. I won't chastise yours for having a Mother who votes for Hillary and you leave mine alone for growing up knowing that Hillary is evil:)
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Oh my!! Scary stuff. Let me guess..you home school? We wouldn't want children to grow up and learn to research and think for themselves, now would we?

It is because we have somewhat of a balance here in Ripon that it is an acceptable place to live. Let's hear it again for Stepford too!!
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Whats happening wrote:
Cheddie---It does not take a village to raise our children--it takes two responisble parents who know the difference between right and wrong. Stay away from my children and I will do the same for you. I won't chastise yours for having a Mother who votes for Hillary and you leave mine alone for growing up knowing that Hillary is evil:)
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What's Happening: I can't state this strongly enough: Anyone who even thinks about chastising children for the opinions of their parents is a horrible person. I donít care who you want to vote for, or who you think anyone else wants to vote for, leave their children out of it.
Cheddie

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Oct 12, 2007
 
I beg your pardon. Hillary Clinton does not have dibs on the addage, "it takes a village". She did not coin the phrase, but apparently used it in a book she authored. I was not aware of this book at all.

You seemed to be saying alot of more than an innocent, "leave me alone to raise my children how I see fit". I certainly was not telling anyone how to raise their children. I wouldn't want anyone telling me how to raise my children. However, I am not above learning as much as I can from professionals and experienced parents, before incorporating any newfound knowledge into my own philosophies about parenting.

I was talking about the "fast" culture we are living in and how it seems to have affected our parenting skills. Please, take note of my use of "our"; meaning me, also. I wasn't accusing anyone of something I thought I was above.
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Oct 12, 2007
 
Good points, 4th Amendment! Parents! Can't live with 'em; can't live without 'em! LOLOLOL
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Apr 25, 2008
 
Scott - Have you adjusted your inaccurate opinion yet?
Are you now able to see that ethanol was a well-meaning but ill-conceived idea? And if you can't notice the decrease in mileage when using 10% ethanol, then you don't know how to figure out your gas mileage.
Scott wrote:
Where do you people get your information? I work for a company that has 153 vehicles that are E-85 capable. I drive one of these 3-500 miles each day.
I use E-85 every day and my vehicle gets about 14 miles less per TANK, when I pay 50-65 cents less per gallon, that adds up. Yes, I know the argument that E-85 costs x amount to produce, etc. Save it.
10% in a vehicle does NOT decrease fuel efficiency any noticeable amount.
Running 10% ethanol in your car eliminates the need to use fuel deicers and antifreeze as well also saving you money.
To the person who misspoke about most vehicles can not use it, next time, try to be honest and do not spin the statement.
ALL vehicles from the early 70's on up can run 10% ethanol without harming the engine. ALL small engines can also run it. It keeps the engine cleaner and saves us a bit from foreign oil.
Is it perfect? No, but why must you fools go against every step someone tries?

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