California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

[RiccardoFire]

Asian Guy wrote:

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so does nicotine for a lot of people.
but do we allow smoking or excessive alcohol in the workplace?

Nicotine is a much more dangerous drug then pot. More people die from Nicotine then pot. Let's ban nicotine! Think of the savings for Health care. First thing your Doctor asks: Are you a smoker.

[Changes]

Does it have to get to Bell, California's level before anyone notices.

Corruption and high taxes happen because people are disconnected from the world around them.

Those 'fat an happy' crooks in Glendora, California city hall keep the public's attention off the hot button subjects.

[RiccardoFire]

firing squad wrote:

<quoted text>I smoke pot recycling pure smoking pleasure

You don't need to confess to me.

[de leveled]

I was told they plowed these "out of towners" BS under along time ago.

We take care of our own here.

[Tim Truhart]

So, Riccardo La Faggo and Rush have something in common: They're both Dope Fiends. I thought Neo-cons were against dope. Just say No.

[ThomasA]

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>Do they check for alcohol or nicotine at a job in a drug free work zone? I have a card here in CA that I could use it for medical reasons, don't think a drug free work zone, what ever kind of job that is, could fire me unless I was using it during work. Pot is classified as medicine prescribed by a Doctor here in Cali. I used to work with a woman that would get so stressed out that I would encourage her to smoke a joint at lunch and she came back to work in a much more productive way.

If your company has a zero tolerance drug policy,it will state that you can't have MJ in your system,on company premises at any time. The stuff shows up in a pee or hair test for weeks so if you get caught ,expect to be fired. If you're sick enough to need a drug card for MJ, then you should be on sick leave and away from the job until the doctor clears you to come back full time and even that would be after a clean test.

[RiccardoFire]

Tim Truhart wrote:

So, Riccardo La Faggo and Rush have something in common: They're both Dope Fiends. I thought Neo-cons were against dope. Just say No.

Then plz explain why pot should remain illegal? Or is all you have sick insults? Here's your chance to show us how smart you are....lol...Maybe they should make sugar illegal, it causes more health problems then pot.

[RiccardoFire]

ThomasA wrote:

<quoted text>If your company has a zero tolerance drug policy,it will state that you can't have MJ in your system,on company premises at any time. The stuff shows up in a pee or hair test for weeks so if you get caught ,expect to be fired. If you're sick enough to need a drug card for MJ, then you should be on sick leave and away from the job until the doctor clears you to come back full time and even that would be after a clean test.

Having a pot card doesn't mean you are that sick. A lot of people work that are taking medicine. Do you take Motrin or aspirin? Let's be fair: What is a greater danger to your health? Pot or sugar?

[RiccardoFire]

ThomasA wrote:

<quoted text>I don't want people around my employees operating machinery,driving company vehicles and lift trucks,working in the office,or anywhere on the premises. The workman's comp rates(required by law) are determined by your history of accidents and whether or not you have safety and drug programs. Companies have a right to test for substances not allowed at the job and employees who can't follow rules have to seek other employment.

You most likely already do and don't realize it. I bet a lot of those employees smoke nicotine and drink beers at home and eat a lot of sugar. It's more likely one of your employees will die driving one of your vehicles having a heart attack and killing innocent people.

[Asian Guy]

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>You most likely already do and don't realize it. I bet a lot of those employees smoke nicotine and drink beers at home and eat a lot of sugar. It's more likely one of your employees will die driving one of your vehicles having a heart attack and killing innocent people.

YOUR way of thinking is EXACTLY why we should not legalize illicit drugs.

they make you brain dead, and stupid.

[RiccardoFire]

Asian Guy wrote:

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YOUR way of thinking is EXACTLY why we should not legalize illicit drugs.
they make you brain dead, and stupid.

Insulting your best comeback? Talk about brain dead. If pot causes harm, let's be fair and ban diet soda that causes cancer and makes people fat that causes all kinds of health problems that we all pay for. Let's ban corn syrup. It's much more harmful then pot will ever be. Why are cigarettes legal?

[Peace]

If people can conspire to live together according to a few simple rules, they would not strangle themselves under the weight of an uncountable number of ordinances.
Let freedom ring.

[Asian Guy]

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>Insulting your best comeback? Talk about brain dead. If pot causes harm, let's be fair and ban diet soda that causes cancer and makes people fat that causes all kinds of health problems that we all pay for. Let's ban corn syrup. It's much more harmful then pot will ever be. Why are cigarettes legal?

riccardo... here's how it works...

there are different levels of harm that things in the world can cause you. so, what mankind did was make laws to prevent those things that cause us the most harm from being pushed.

there is a breakeven point where something becomes a felony rather than a misdemeanor. we have judges to determine when some behavior bridges into one or the other.

what taking illicit drugs does to a person is - it makes one not able to judge rationally where something falls into one category or the other.

in essense, everything is grey with you drug users. nothing is right or wrong. ideas like "if you get away with it, it is ok." or "we don't have a debt problem because we just need to print more money." are the norm with you people.

the reason why we shouldn't legalize illicit drugs.

chaos will be the norm if we do.

understand?

[ThomasA]

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>You most likely already do and don't realize it. I bet a lot of those employees smoke nicotine and drink beers at home and eat a lot of sugar. It's more likely one of your employees will die driving one of your vehicles having a heart attack and killing innocent people.

You seem to have no idea of legalities in the workplace. Allowing a person to be knowlingly impared on the job will shift all the blame no matter what happened to the owner or company. You're talking major lawsuits and judgements that your insurance may not cover. Drinking beers at home at night or weekends won't show up on a BAT lab test but THC stays in your system for weeks and the employee and victim, if it's an in- house accident,are both tested immediately after an accident. If you show positive,it lessens your chance for a suit or large settlement. If you are impared, you get a basic patch up and termination with the DRD on your work records. That's why there written rules and random testing to make sure everybody complies. Smoking pot and driving and having a heart while driving are no way related and irrevelent to the conversation.

[Changerous]

Yes he stupid, ignorant GOP, Republican, tea party rejects are trying to bring down America - just like the communits.

[RiccardoFire]

Asian Guy wrote:

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riccardo... here's how it works...
there are different levels of harm that things in the world can cause you. so, what mankind did was make laws to prevent those things that cause us the most harm from being pushed.

Some things that were not legal were made legal. If that is true that mankind made laws to prevent us from harm, then why are alcohol nicotine corn syrup and other things legal? You are wrong, laws are made to prevent lawsuits for the most part. Pot is basically legal here in California and what it has done is caused many to just stop using it. Since it was legal I have heard shootings at bars from drunks, I have heard of drunk driving killing innocent people, but have not heard of a pot head running over anyone or shooting anyone. Our President was a pot head at one time in his life. So mankind is not protecting us from those things that cause us the most harm...You are wrong. It's all about money.

[RiccardoFire]

Asian Guy wrote:

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what taking illicit drugs does to a person is - it makes one not able to judge rationally where something falls into one category or the other.
in essense, everything is grey with you drug users. nothing is right or wrong. ideas like "if you get away with it, it is ok." or "we don't have a debt problem because we just need to print more money." are the norm with you people.
the reason why we shouldn't legalize illicit drugs.
chaos will be the norm if we do.
understand?

First of all, I have used pot before, but I choose to not use it now or anytime soon. As I have not had a drink of alcohol for 30 years. So don't call me a user. You don't have to be a user to understand pot. It's basically legal here and there is no chaos, the chaos is from booze. The hospitals are full because of the poison that is allowed to be put in foods by our government. Nicotine is legal, why is that?

[RiccardoFire]

ThomasA wrote:

<quoted text>You seem to have no idea of legalities in the workplace. Allowing a person to be knowlingly impared on the job will shift all the blame no matter what happened to the owner or company. You're talking major lawsuits and judgements that your insurance may not cover. Drinking beers at home at night or weekends won't show up on a BAT lab test but THC stays in your system for weeks and the employee and victim, if it's an in- house accident,are both tested immediately after an accident. If you show positive,it lessens your chance for a suit or large settlement. If you are impared, you get a basic patch up and termination with the DRD on your work records. That's why there written rules and random testing to make sure everybody complies. Smoking pot and driving and having a heart while driving are no way related and irrevelent to the conversation.

I'm not saying we should allow a person to be drunk or high on drugs at work. But with that said, I don't think you know that smoking pot the night before work will make ANY difference on how the person performs. You seem to be more concerned with what shows up on a test, I'm saying the reality. A person that drinks the night before will be a zombie working early the next day, not a pot head. But if both tested, the pot head will be fired. Doesn't make sense. You might be surprised how many people are using pot and out performing you, at least out thinking you.

[RiccardoFire]

Asian Guy wrote:

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riccardo... here's how it works...
there are different levels of harm that things in the world can cause you. so, what mankind did was make laws to prevent those things that cause us the most harm from being pushed.

Car crashes kill 40,000 in US each year.

How many people die each year from marijuana?

Statistically, death directly from marijuana overdose is extremely rare. The CDC reports that between 1999 and 2007, there were 26 deaths with marijuana as an underlying cause, in the United States.

Let's protect mankind, ban cars!....lol

[ThomasA]

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>I'm not saying we should allow a person to be drunk or high on drugs at work. But with that said, I don't think you know that smoking pot the night before work will make ANY difference on how the person performs. You seem to be more concerned with what shows up on a test, I'm saying the reality. A person that drinks the night before will be a zombie working early the next day, not a pot head. But if both tested, the pot head will be fired. Doesn't make sense. You might be surprised how many people are using pot and out performing you, at least out thinking you.

The employees don't make the rules at work. They follow them. If they choose to use and come and get caught in a random test and be fired for that choice they made,so be it. Employees who think they are above following simple rules will also steal from you,lie,and cheat. If they can't be a team member,then they will have to find another team. Companies don't have the time to waste being baby sitters to overgrown kiddies who can't mind.