Why Some Rich, Educated Parents Avoid...

Why Some Rich, Educated Parents Avoid Vaccines

There are 28 comments on the Live Science story from Feb 21, 2014, titled Why Some Rich, Educated Parents Avoid Vaccines. In it, Live Science reports that:

Health officials in the San Francisco Bay Area are warning local residents that thousands of them may have been exposed to measles, a potentially deadly disease that was once eliminated in the United States but has rebounded in recent years.

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Educated

Winnipeg, Canada

#1 Feb 23, 2014
its because the con isn't working any more. Calling vaccine reactions a coincidence isn't a good enough explanation, and its obviously lame and intentional. Only morons believe there are no issues and no ties to autism.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#2 Feb 25, 2014
Good article, showing how mass hysteria works with a small number of people who seem to listen to those who are no experts at all nor have any medical back ground. This is a great example of how those with no medical back ground at all and no science to back up their claims will one day change vaccine laws as more and more contract illnesses and more infants too young for vaccination die. It wasn't enough for anti vaxxers that 10 infants died in one season all due to unvaccinated people.
Vaccines Maim Kill

Winnipeg, Canada

#3 Feb 25, 2014
friend wrote:
Good article, showing how mass hysteria works with a small number of people who seem to listen to those who are no experts at all nor have any medical back ground. This is a great example of how those with no medical back ground at all and no science to back up their claims will one day change vaccine laws as more and more contract illnesses and more infants too young for vaccination die. It wasn't enough for anti vaxxers that 10 infants died in one season all due to unvaccinated people.
mass hysteria like suggesting THOUSANDS will be exposed a potentially deadly (RARELY) DISEASE. Now lets count the children vaccines maim and kill.
spock166

Columbia, MO

#5 Mar 4, 2014
May I ask what sources you have which claim that vaccines maim and kill children? I understand that in very rare circumstances children exposed to a vaccine can have severe reactions including death. According to the CDC webpage ( http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effe... ) these severe reactions occur in less than one dose per million. There are a few vaccines, like the one for anthrax, which have a higher percentage risk but even then the risk is about one in one hundred thousand. Looking specifically at the MMR vaccine which is talked about in the article, the severe problems as listed on the CDC page claim that the probability of a severe reaction is low enough that it’s hard to tell if the vaccine is the cause of the reaction.

As for the link between autism and vaccines, the CDC ( http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/aut... ) comments that there is no known link between the two. Just because there has been a rise in autism does not mean that we should blame vaccines. If anything is to be blamed for autism it is our definition of autism. Diagnosing mental health conditions is a process which has changed quite a bit in the last few decades. These changes include things like changes in definitions. One disease which has changed definitions over the years is autism. Therefore it may not necessarily be true that there are more cases of autism in the world, but instead maybe we have gotten better at spotting cases of autism.

To sum up everything those people who refuse to get vaccinated for no other reason than because they think that the costs outweigh the benefits are sadly mistaken. I am perfectly happy to support those people who don’t get vaccinated for religious reasons and those who cannot be vaccinated. I would like anyone who disagrees with the above facts to show me where I am wrong.
BIG PHARMA MAIMS KILLS

Winnipeg, Canada

#6 Mar 4, 2014
spock166 wrote:
May I ask what sources you have which claim that vaccines maim and kill children? I understand that in very rare circumstances children exposed to a vaccine can have severe reactions including death. According to the CDC webpage ( http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effe... ) these severe reactions occur in less than one dose per million. There are a few vaccines, like the one for anthrax, which have a higher percentage risk but even then the risk is about one in one hundred thousand. Looking specifically at the MMR vaccine which is talked about in the article, the severe problems as listed on the CDC page claim that the probability of a severe reaction is low enough that it’s hard to tell if the vaccine is the cause of the reaction.
As for the link between autism and vaccines, the CDC ( http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/aut... ) comments that there is no known link between the two. Just because there has been a rise in autism does not mean that we should blame vaccines. If anything is to be blamed for autism it is our definition of autism. Diagnosing mental health conditions is a process which has changed quite a bit in the last few decades. These changes include things like changes in definitions. One disease which has changed definitions over the years is autism. Therefore it may not necessarily be true that there are more cases of autism in the world, but instead maybe we have gotten better at spotting cases of autism.
To sum up everything those people who refuse to get vaccinated for no other reason than because they think that the costs outweigh the benefits are sadly mistaken. I am perfectly happy to support those people who don’t get vaccinated for religious reasons and those who cannot be vaccinated. I would like anyone who disagrees with the above facts to show me where I am wrong.
You are merely a sheep following the dictates of a vile industry.
spock166

Columbia, MO

#7 Mar 4, 2014
Do you have any evidence?
ric99

Lincoln, UK

#8 Mar 5, 2014
spock166 wrote:
Do you have any evidence?
The Winnipeg poster never has any evidence. On every thread in this forum, he starts by stating that it is obvious that vaccines cause autism. When it is pointed out to him that there are many scientific studies conclusively showing that vaccines do NOT cause autism (including links to these studies), he states that all these studies are "junk/flawed science". When asked what scientific evidence there is that these studies are "flawed/junk", his standard response is to issue a string of insults. The only links he ever gives are to conspiracy theory/quackery web sites.
ricDUH99

Winnipeg, Canada

#9 Mar 5, 2014
ric99 wrote:
<quoted text>
The Winnipeg poster never has any evidence. On every thread in this forum, he starts by stating that it is obvious that vaccines cause autism. When it is pointed out to him that there are many scientific studies conclusively showing that vaccines do NOT cause autism (including links to these studies), he states that all these studies are "junk/flawed science". When asked what scientific evidence there is that these studies are "flawed/junk", his standard response is to issue a string of insults. The only links he ever gives are to conspiracy theory/quackery web sites.
ricDUH99 is a 13 year old troll from the UK who says he's the next Steven Hawkins. He's really just a dumb child. He claims evidence proving no connection but NEVER supplies links. Then he acts all juvenile when you call him on it. He refuses to admit BIG PHARMA is dangerous and negligent. Instead he name calls like the immature thing he is. His parent's would be horrified if they knew.
ric99

Lincoln, UK

#10 Mar 5, 2014
So I never supply links? Anyone who cares to search through the posts in this forum will see that I have supplied many links to genuine scientific studies. Here are just a few:-

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa02...

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j....

http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/45...

Winnipeg has declared all of the studies I linked to as being “junk science”, without giving any scientific reasons for saying so.

Incidentally, I am NOT 13 years old, and I have never said that I am the next Stephen Hawking (note that Winnipeg can't even spell his name correctly, despite having been given the correct spelling many times).

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#11 Mar 5, 2014
Actually, no one knows the ages of anyone here other than the clues Winnipeg has given about being an older father, so the claim about ric99 age is just an attack.

Actually, many have provided links and this site itself has posted them.

Actually, Winnipeg has admitted using pharma products on his child, so his lame attacks on the pharma are quite humorous.

Actually, of the links Winnipeg has supplied, most of them back fire on him because he doesn't read the study.

Finally, ric99 is actually correct and Winnipeg always nicely demonstrates everything to be true. And don't think no one noticed Winnipeg offered attacks and untrue things instead of any evidence backing up his statement. If anyone is a sheep, it's anti vaxxers who base their claims and vaccine choice off of no scientific evidence at all.
ric14 years old

Winnipeg, Canada

#13 Mar 5, 2014
ric99 wrote:
So I never supply links? Anyone who cares to search through the posts in this forum will see that I have supplied many links to genuine scientific studies. Here are just a few:-
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa02...
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j....
http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/45...
Winnipeg has declared all of the studies I linked to as being “junk science”, without giving any scientific reasons for saying so.
Incidentally, I am NOT 13 years old, and I have never said that I am the next Stephen Hawking (note that Winnipeg can't even spell his name correctly, despite having been given the correct spelling many times).
I should have added a year. Thanks for the pharma paid for studies with the preconceived findings. Gives meaning to the old saying " you get what you pay for".
ric14 years old

Winnipeg, Canada

#14 Mar 5, 2014
friend wrote:
Actually, no one knows the ages of anyone here other than the clues Winnipeg has given about being an older father, so the claim about ric99 age is just an attack.
Actually, many have provided links and this site itself has posted them.
Actually, Winnipeg has admitted using pharma products on his child, so his lame attacks on the pharma are quite humorous.
Actually, of the links Winnipeg has supplied, most of them back fire on him because he doesn't read the study.
Finally, ric99 is actually correct and Winnipeg always nicely demonstrates everything to be true. And don't think no one noticed Winnipeg offered attacks and untrue things instead of any evidence backing up his statement. If anyone is a sheep, it's anti vaxxers who base their claims and vaccine choice off of no scientific evidence at all.
buh wah ha ha nice job making that up.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#15 Mar 5, 2014
And again, a nice demonstration of attacks but no evidence to back up your statements.
wrong again friend

Winnipeg, Canada

#16 Mar 5, 2014
friend wrote:
And again, a nice demonstration of attacks but no evidence to back up your statements.
once again, zero from friend but blah blah
ric99

Market Rasen, UK

#17 Mar 6, 2014
Yet again the Winnipeg dummy has proved that what I said was correct. I posted 4 links to scientific studies showing that vaccines do NOT cause autism, and, true to form, he immediately claims that they were all paid for by pharma, and that the findings were preconceived. As usual, of course, he doesn't have a scrap of evidence to back up either of these claims.

He still has problems with my age, as if that is important in some way to his absurd 'vaccines cause autism' claim. Now all we have to wait for are his insults.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#18 Mar 6, 2014
Actually, the maker of the vaccine is suppose to conducts studies of their vaccine. That's how it works in the real world. Would Ford expect Chevrolet to fund and conduct safety studies on their cars?? Get real. However, it obvious Winnipeg never bothered looking at the links ric99 provided, or his 'pharma paid' wouldn't had been the excuse, more so with the first link. And of the first link, no specific pharma funded it. Unlike Wakefield who hid who funded his study, one can easily see who funded any study.

Winnipeg is still debunked with that lame excuse of "pharma paid for studies with the preconceived findings". There has only been one study with the result of being guilty of preconceived findings, and that man will go down in history as the biggest hoaxster ever. Ever since then, Anti vaxxers then claim every study is no good due to pretty much the same reason and it's just a statement they make. They cant even give specific reasons, just a blank statement. In other words, plain lazy anti vaxxers clearly afraid to be debunked, or they'd put a link where their mouth is.

And let's not forget, most vaccines were invented by men long dead, and parents of their day begged them to invent prevention. Anti vaxxers tend to forget that, and that the on going use of vaccines for the majority shows they out weight the risks of side effects, and that there is NO evidence vaccines cause autism. They cant explain why more boys have autism than girls, or why every child who has had the same vaccines don't also have autism, or why the rates consist of more than half with PDD-NOS.
An Example of DUH

Winnipeg, Canada

#19 Mar 6, 2014
ric99 wrote:
Yet again the Winnipeg dummy has proved that what I said was correct. I posted 4 links to scientific studies showing that vaccines do NOT cause autism, and, true to form, he immediately claims that they were all paid for by pharma, and that the findings were preconceived. As usual, of course, he doesn't have a scrap of evidence to back up either of these claims.
He still has problems with my age, as if that is important in some way to his absurd 'vaccines cause autism' claim. Now all we have to wait for are his insults.
What a buffoon. Your links are just blah blah and pure pro-pharma paid for rubbish.
An Example of DUH

Winnipeg, Canada

#20 Mar 6, 2014
friend wrote:
Actually, the maker of the vaccine is suppose to conducts studies of their vaccine. That's how it works in the real world. Would Ford expect Chevrolet to fund and conduct safety studies on their cars?? Get real. However, it obvious Winnipeg never bothered looking at the links ric99 provided, or his 'pharma paid' wouldn't had been the excuse, more so with the first link. And of the first link, no specific pharma funded it. Unlike Wakefield who hid who funded his study, one can easily see who funded any study.
Winnipeg is still debunked with that lame excuse of "pharma paid for studies with the preconceived findings". There has only been one study with the result of being guilty of preconceived findings, and that man will go down in history as the biggest hoaxster ever. Ever since then, Anti vaxxers then claim every study is no good due to pretty much the same reason and it's just a statement they make. They cant even give specific reasons, just a blank statement. In other words, plain lazy anti vaxxers clearly afraid to be debunked, or they'd put a link where their mouth is.
And let's not forget, most vaccines were invented by men long dead, and parents of their day begged them to invent prevention. Anti vaxxers tend to forget that, and that the on going use of vaccines for the majority shows they out weight the risks of side effects, and that there is NO evidence vaccines cause autism. They cant explain why more boys have autism than girls, or why every child who has had the same vaccines don't also have autism, or why the rates consist of more than half with PDD-NOS.
More rubbish
ric99

Grimsby, UK

#21 Mar 6, 2014
And the evidence that "my links are just blah blah and pure pro-pharma paid for rubbish" is???

Oh dear, I was forgetting, the Winnipeg dummy NEVER has any such evidence, does he.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#22 Mar 6, 2014
That's because he has no evidence, so he dazzles us instead with a bunch of nothing. At least other anti vaxxers make it more challenging, not so with Winnipeg. This is easy.

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