Protest over UC cuts draws several hu...

Protest over UC cuts draws several hundred at UC Santa Cruz

There are 90 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Sep 25, 2009, titled Protest over UC cuts draws several hundred at UC Santa Cruz. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

Several hundred students and faculty rallied Thursday with other employees on the first day of classes at UC Santa Cruz in a walkout and strike that a labor historian described as a turning point in growing opposition to the university's administration.

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Education

Santa Cruz, CA

#21 Sep 25, 2009
CHILDREN PLEASE wrote:
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Did it ever occur to you that these people have invested a tremendous amount of time and money into building their careers so that they might just deserve what they get paid? Or is your comment based completely upon jealousy?
Did it ever occur to you that many of these students WORK one or two jobs to get an education? That they don't all have rich parents? That without them, our future is really in the toilet? That many of these students are parents with children to support? Not every student feels entitled. And right now, what is the alternative? That they should get a job, save and then go to school? WHAT JOB? HOW ARE WE GOING TO EDUCATE THE FUTURE OF AMERICA? Has it occurred to you that these over paid administrators were once students who like current students, are trying to work and learn to get somewhere? You VASTLY oversimplify the situation.
Payback

Santa Cruz, CA

#22 Sep 25, 2009
THge Socialist HJOker wrote:
What a bunch of whiny, spoiled Liberal Losers! Their parents must be so proud of their offspring! Work harder comrads, our Socialist system of indoctrination demands you continue to support the cause!
Ok, and while we're at it, you can continue your brownshirt Conservative Whiner Hater facist racist goosestep marching.
grendel13

Santa Cruz, CA

#23 Sep 25, 2009
For all of you who repeatedly criticize socialism in your comments, take a look at the wonderful success of your "democratic" system. It's only going to get worse, folks.
BS can be BS

AOL

#24 Sep 25, 2009
Attending college once required working jobs to help with tuition costs, thereby weeding out slackers from true achievers. Now the goal is tuition-free higher education and dumbed down grading standards so any lazy fool can come away with a worthless degree. The road to hell remains paved with good intentions.
disabuser

United States

#25 Sep 25, 2009
CHILDREN PLEASE wrote:
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Did it ever occur to you that these people have invested a tremendous amount of time and money into building their careers so that they might just deserve what they get paid? Or is your comment based completely upon jealousy?
Who gets to decide what people "deserve"? That is a kind of socialist thinking for the elite employees. In a market system the proper question is what price is necessary to hire competent people. Furthermore when the elites in the club are able to decide how they will be compensated, the lower paid UC employees, many who still enjoy an elite compensation relative to equivalently skilled, private sector, market-wage workers, think that entitles them to more. And all of this is paid for by us who aren't in the socialist club. And all socialism seems to end up as club socialism.

It's one thing to have government policies that affect everyone equally. Government employee unionism, which is essentially a labor trust operating within a monopoly, is anything but.
Gordon

AOL

#26 Sep 25, 2009
This doen't surprize me at all. These students come to Santa Cruz and sway our elections and then for any reason they see fit they pull stunts like this. Most people have no sympothy for them. A lot of these students are here because of Student Loans that they will never pay back and still more are here because their hard working Parents are picking up the bill. Most of these students vote as a Democratic Block and the leaders of California are Democratic except for the neutered Govenor. I say this to the Students YOU voted these people to run California. They spend us into the sewer and now you want more TAX MONEY to support your misguided ways. I say the State doesn't have money problems, they have SPENDING PROBLEMS. GROW-UP.
Realist

Santa Cruz, CA

#27 Sep 25, 2009
I work at UCSC and am getting a paycut. I'll gladly take it to keep my job. My friend in NY lost her job this summer after 25 years. Another friend in Santa Cruz lost her job after 10 years. I do not begrudge those who make so much more than me, they have worked extremely hard to get where they are and deserve every penny. California needs to get out of the red and in order to do that, the handouts must stop. What happened to the days when people worked for what they got! What happened to having pride in your accomplishments and being ready to step up to the plate when necessary. What a bunch of babies!
CHILDREN PLEASE

Los Gatos, CA

#28 Sep 25, 2009
Education wrote:
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Did it ever occur to you that many of these students WORK one or two jobs to get an education? That they don't all have rich parents? That without them, our future is really in the toilet? That many of these students are parents with children to support? Not every student feels entitled. And right now, what is the alternative? That they should get a job, save and then go to school? WHAT JOB? HOW ARE WE GOING TO EDUCATE THE FUTURE OF AMERICA? Has it occurred to you that these over paid administrators were once students who like current students, are trying to work and learn to get somewhere? You VASTLY oversimplify the situation.
"That they should get a job, save and then go to school?"

Yep, jobs, scholarships and student loans, that's how I did it. I had about 25 jobs in college and grad school, graduated with about $70K debt in today's dollars and paid it all back in 7 years. Have been in the workforce for 26 years now. Paid more in taxes than many or most will make in their lifetimes. Proud of it. Have worked harder and longer than nearly all of these students. I have paid their way for years with my taxes and now they have to suck it up like the rest of us. No more whining, just hard work and accountability.

Oops--"hard work" and "accountability"--ho w many people did I p*** off with these words?
Momus

Santa Cruz, CA

#29 Sep 25, 2009
BS can be BS wrote:
Attending college once required working jobs to help with tuition costs, thereby weeding out slackers from true achievers. Now the goal is tuition-free higher education and dumbed down grading standards so any lazy fool can come away with a worthless degree. The road to hell remains paved with good intentions.
While that is true in some cases, it's not true in all cases. In fact, Leland Stanford started Stanford with the idea that it would be free for all to attend. Of course, that didn't last. But we do serve ourselves as a society by putting higher education in the reach of as many people as possible.

As for lazy fools, my experience with college students, especially grads, is that they work quite hard to attain their degrees whether or not they get a free ride. Mental improvement is something to be lauded, not something to sneer at because you may not agree with someone else's politics.
jeff bason

Aptos, CA

#30 Sep 25, 2009
typical college students...they all want it all...and none of them want to pay for it or work for it...this state is broke...and college education is not a right...it is a priviledge...Ill admit when i was in college I was a bleeding heart liberal like these students...then I graduated , started working in the real world, and figured out how the world really works. If someone would get serious about the budgetary woes in this state we might have a chance at solving them. Get rid of labor unions , get rid of all social services to illegal aliens , icluding in state tuition , and cut off ALL SOCIAL WELFARE to people in this country and state illegally.....that will save you at least 10 billion in the state , and give us a place to work from. If that s not possible....go to Cabrillo
richinrio

Mililani, HI

#31 Sep 25, 2009
I love this story. It's like the University is offering a degree now in being clueless.

It's bad enough the students are childish and idiotic....but the staff joining in is too much.

Each of the staff was paid for the whole day...even though they did not earn their money. The students paid to be there....but received no benefit for their investment.

Classic. They have the answer to the fiscal puzzle if they would extract their cranium from their collective rectums.

This has long been an issue of irritation for me. The inmates running the asylum have spent years closing down the university whenever their hemp panties get in a bunch over ( fill-in the blank reason ) and each time their hemp panties get in a bunch they demand more benefits for ( fill-in the blank deserving sub-class of unfairly treated individuals ) someone.

The university caves in to make peace with the rampaging children, and tah-dah....cost go up.

Said increased costs are passed along to rampaging children who then go on a rampage when it is discovered that the perks and benefits they themselves insisted be bestowed upon ( fill-in the blank ) their latest cause will end up costing them ( I mean their suffering parents ) more money.

Maybe if they had an iota of an understanding of basic Economics ( is there an Economics 1 for these imbeciles ???) they would maximize what they have to work with and not waste their time on anything but what they are ( allegedly ) there to do.

To wit; go to class, study hard, minimize the time required to be in school, graduate as early as possible, stop spending money in school, get a job that pays you money, pay back money borrowed, get a life. The end.

It's so simple....and yet...
Momus

Santa Cruz, CA

#32 Sep 25, 2009
disabuser wrote:
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Furthermore when the elites in the club are able to decide how they will be compensated, the lower paid UC employees, many who still enjoy an elite compensation relative to equivalently skilled, private sector, market-wage workers, think that entitles them to more. And all of this is paid for by us who aren't in the socialist club. And all socialism seems to end up as club socialism.
How did you arrive at the idea that the lower paid workers in the UC system earn "elite" pay compared to their private sector counterparts? I've worked in the private sector for a great many years, and now I work for the UC. The private sector paid 20-30% higher at least for the same position, and I know many others here for whom that is also true. There's other more intangible benefits to working for UCSC, but higher salaries sure ain't one of them. Mind you, I'm not complaining, just correcting a misapprehension.
future leaders

Santa Cruz, CA

#33 Sep 25, 2009
Why don't all of you liberals and a few conservatives quit the CONSTANT whining. No one deserves anything more or less than they have personally earned or put their energy into. I have never been in a state where more worthlessness is praised, where losers are constantly asking for a handout from those that really have created a life for themselves and in many cases lives for many others. Why can't professors start teaching rather than propagandizing and brainwashing. If these children want to complain why don't they complain about the kool-aid they are constantly being forced to drink. I feel SO sad for these mush brained students, because of their ignorance and lack of true maturity they destroy everything they touch. They haven't lived long enough or sacrificed enough to complain about anything. If they want they should learn to give.
Momus

Santa Cruz, CA

#34 Sep 25, 2009
richinrio wrote:
I love this story. It's like the University is offering a degree now in being clueless.
It's bad enough the students are childish and idiotic....but the staff joining in is too much.
Each of the staff was paid for the whole day...even though they did not earn their money.
No Staff or Faculty who was out yesterday was paid. Nor were they allowed to use vacation, furlough, or sick days.
CHILDREN PLEASE

Los Gatos, CA

#35 Sep 25, 2009
disabuser wrote:
<quoted text>
Who gets to decide what people "deserve"? That is a kind of socialist thinking for the elite employees. In a market system the proper question is what price is necessary to hire competent people. Furthermore when the elites in the club are able to decide how they will be compensated, the lower paid UC employees, many who still enjoy an elite compensation relative to equivalently skilled, private sector, market-wage workers, think that entitles them to more. And all of this is paid for by us who aren't in the socialist club. And all socialism seems to end up as club socialism.
It's one thing to have government policies that affect everyone equally. Government employee unionism, which is essentially a labor trust operating within a monopoly, is anything but.
If you knew more people outside UC community such as small business owners, entrepreneurs, sales people, etc., I believe you would be amazed at how many are making $100K/yr.,$200K/yr.,$300K/yr. and upward. So, the income numbers stated for UC senior administrators seem reasonable to me. Last time I looked the AVERAGE Cisco employee makes about $120K. However, you have to put in the time and the effort, and also be intelligent and opportunistic to grab the golden ring. Hard work and accountability OVER TIME will get you where you want to go.

But that's just my opinion. Now, a much easier route is just to ask the President for some money (which is really where this whole discourse is going). Hey, he's a great guy and he'll probably try to find a way to give you some money without having you break a sweat. Think about it--handouts without accountability.

Mmmmmmmm!!!
Petrushka Moroni

Santa Rosa, CA

#36 Sep 25, 2009
"Market forces and CAPITALISM drive our economic existence have gotten us where we are today"

Exactly. That system has failed. Time to try something new.
richinrio

Mililani, HI

#37 Sep 25, 2009
Momus wrote:
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No Staff or Faculty who was out yesterday was paid. Nor were they allowed to use vacation, furlough, or sick days.
Well if this is true than it is terrific news. Still proves my point that the kids are dumb as a bag of hammers though.

I feel bad that life costs so much. As one of the diminishing percentage of folks who pay taxes....I can assure you I'm sick to death of being squeezed for more of my money to pay for others.

It bugs me when I pay for these programs through a myriad of taxes only to see those who benefit from my contributions still bitch it is not enough.
Petrushka Moroni

Santa Rosa, CA

#38 Sep 25, 2009
Realist wrote:
I work at UCSC and am getting a paycut. I'll gladly take it to keep my job. My friend in NY lost her job this summer after 25 years. Another friend in Santa Cruz lost her job after 10 years. I do not begrudge those who make so much more than me, they have worked extremely hard to get where they are and deserve every penny. California needs to get out of the red and in order to do that, the handouts must stop. What happened to the days when people worked for what they got! What happened to having pride in your accomplishments and being ready to step up to the plate when necessary. What a bunch of babies!
So you're willing to take a paycheck, but won't fight to defend UC against massive cuts? Admin, right?
Buffalo

Pinole, CA

#39 Sep 25, 2009
More whiners, go figure. They think THEY are the only ones with problems.

If you have saved EVERY PENNY since the day you started working, you wouldn't be panicking as much.

Do us a favor and leave SC County because you're only creating traffic in my neighborhood. And honestly, that's not necessary.

If you don't like your job, find another one. It doesn't pay the same? Well take two or three jobs. It isn't unheard of for a person to have multiple jobs and STILL make it.

All these people want are handouts. Do you know how many unemployed would LOVE your jobs that you claim isn't good enough? 10% decrease is better than nothing.

And these people are supposedly educated AND educators.*shakes head*
Petrushka Moroni

Santa Rosa, CA

#40 Sep 25, 2009
CHILDREN PLEASE wrote:
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"That they should get a job, save and then go to school?"
Yep, jobs, scholarships and student loans, that's how I did it. I had about 25 jobs in college and grad school, graduated with about $70K debt in today's dollars and paid it all back in 7 years. Have been in the workforce for 26 years now. Paid more in taxes than many or most will make in their lifetimes. Proud of it. Have worked harder and longer than nearly all of these students. I have paid their way for years with my taxes and now they have to suck it up like the rest of us. No more whining, just hard work and accountability.
Oops--"hard work" and "accountability"--ho w many people did I p*** off with these words?
26 years ago? Before the neoliberal model came into play? Right at the moment Reagan, then Clinton, Bush I, et al were gutting social spending? You benefitted from that social spending. It's not here any more. So you got yours and today's students get nothing.

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