Protest over UC cuts draws several hundred at UC Santa Cruz

Full story: Santa Cruz Sentinel

Several hundred students and faculty rallied Thursday with other employees on the first day of classes at UC Santa Cruz in a walkout and strike that a labor historian described as a turning point in growing opposition to the university's administration.
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AlwaysLearning

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Sep 25, 2009
 
There seems a delusional gap in logic. This is a state that has spent itself into crisis, and there really is not room to tax itself out of crises. If the money does not exist, it cannot be made to magically appear, not matter how much Monning wants to raise taxes on the folks who are already scrapping to stay in their homes and cutting back in every area. California is broken because we have taxed and spent our way into catastrophe, and we cannot tax our way out by driving wealth and business out of the state. It should be obvious.
tax poor

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Sep 25, 2009
 
We should be looking for more money for education not cutting it," Monning told demonstrators.

Typical Democrat spend and tax mentality. Maybe he and the unions should take a course on how to get blood out of a stone.

Have they offered any other solution other than raising taxes? No.
Children Please

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Sep 25, 2009
 
It's an economic slowdown and EVERYONE is wearing it, not just college students and staff. Think about your parents and their endless worry over keeping their jobs in order to keep most of you in school--are they staging protests at work? No. They are harder than ever and working within the system to get through the hard times.

Most of these protesters (kids) have paid very few taxes into the system and expect to have things given to them--spoiled little brats. Many others (faculty and administration) have spent little time in the real world and have little understand of how it works. Market forces and CAPITALISM drive our economic existence have gotten us where we are today, and we're still in a better place than almost the entire rest of the world. You want a socialist state with free stuff for all, that's fine, but be prepared to have the U.S. look like Haiti in about 15 years.

Go out and create value for yourself or create something of value--that's the way it is done in this country. Alternatively, simply ask President Obama for a handout, now that you've declared "Victim" status and given up on the system. I'm sure he's more than willing to arrange that for you.
SC Raver

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Sep 25, 2009
 
Children Please wrote:
It's an economic slowdown and EVERYONE is wearing it, not just college students and staff. Think about your parents and their endless worry over keeping their jobs in order to keep most of you in school--are they staging protests at work? No. They are harder than ever and working within the system to get through the hard times.
Most of these protesters (kids) have paid very few taxes into the system and expect to have things given to them--spoiled little brats. Many others (faculty and administration) have spent little time in the real world and have little understand of how it works. Market forces and CAPITALISM drive our economic existence have gotten us where we are today, and we're still in a better place than almost the entire rest of the world. You want a socialist state with free stuff for all, that's fine, but be prepared to have the U.S. look like Haiti in about 15 years.
Go out and create value for yourself or create something of value--that's the way it is done in this country. Alternatively, simply ask President Obama for a handout, now that you've declared "Victim" status and given up on the system. I'm sure he's more than willing to arrange that for you.
Ha ha this post will make people mad but this dude kinda nailed it..
rwc

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#5
Sep 25, 2009
 
Awe, just shut the dang thing down. (and take Keeley, Laird, Patton, et al with you on the way out)
FUV

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#6
Sep 25, 2009
 
As long as the UC administrators can still get paid $200K to $800K/year, everyone should be safe going back to sleep after their token protest.
CHILDREN PLEASE

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Sep 25, 2009
 
FUV wrote:
As long as the UC administrators can still get paid $200K to $800K/year, everyone should be safe going back to sleep after their token protest.
Did it ever occur to you that these people have invested a tremendous amount of time and money into building their careers so that they might just deserve what they get paid? Or is your comment based completely upon jealousy?
ucsc_alum

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#8
Sep 25, 2009
 
I am not sure if it is all the other "entitlements" that have put CA in this situation, but in my opinion, an educated populace is a competitive advantage and education should be given special priority. Another article in the Sentinel today equates the UC fee hikes to a "mortgage the future of California" and I think this is a correct analogy. When I think about my own family’s experience, I can see how education made a huge difference. My grandparents had minimal education and worked in inner-city sweat-shops in the garment industry. Both of my parents, finished college and were able to improve their well-being and contribute to society because they were educated. My mom improved hundreds if not thousands of kids’ lives in her career as a special education teacher, and my dad was a Fire Captain. I know my mom's career affected many children for the better, and more then a few people owe their lives to the rescue efforts of my dad. What if education had been denied to my parents and my parents had worked in the garment industry too? As trite as it sounds, the world would have been a worse. My parents sent all 4 of their off spring to the various UCs because they believed in education. I really doubt with the cost of a UC education at $10K a year, my parents could send their 4 kids to UC today. These fee hikes truly will make CA a worse place for our children and grandchildren. Also, some of the other posters have said we live in a capitalistic society and these UC students have paid very little tax-wise so they should stop whining about fee increases. Keep this in mind: a person with a 4 year college degree makes something like 1million $ more then a person with a high school education over a lifetime. This equates to much more tax revenues. I would hazard a guess that most of the startup-companies that go on to employ large numbers of people are founded and run by people with more then a high-school education, so education can be considered and driver of the economy.
Join the Movement

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Sep 25, 2009
 
I want to grow up to be a Liberal larva with all the taxpayer and parental provided freebies! We demand cheap admissions based on our lifes experience and any and all claims of mionority copnnection in our ancestyory! We expect to pay only minimal costs for admissions and tuition costs to attend our liberal college indoctrination which teaches us to rail against sucessful venture capitalists and strive for redistribution of wealth just like our hewros Stalin, Lenin, Castro, Chavez, Chaiman Mao, Uncled Ho and the rest! Viva Marxism. Viva Obama! My professors have instilled in me the advantages of suckling at the taxpayers teets. We demand free stuff and we don't give a darn how bad the rest of you taxpaying losers are doing trying to make a living in the real world. We want everything our way or the highway pal!
Really - no really

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#10
Sep 25, 2009
 
In the real world - when you can no longer abide by the conditions of your employment - you... go... work... somewhere... else.......

If these people are so valuable and have achieved such high levels of performance then "going to work somewhere else" should not be a problem.
CHILDREN PLEASE wrote:
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Did it ever occur to you that these people have invested a tremendous amount of time and money into building their careers so that they might just deserve what they get paid? Or is your comment based completely upon jealousy?
THge Socialist HJOker

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#11
Sep 25, 2009
 
What a bunch of whiny, spoiled Liberal Losers! Their parents must be so proud of their offspring! Work harder comrads, our Socialist system of indoctrination demands you continue to support the cause!
Dan

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Sep 25, 2009
 
CHILDREN PLEASE wrote:
Did it ever occur to you that these people have invested a tremendous amount of time and money into building their careers so that they might just deserve what they get paid? Or is your comment based completely upon jealousy?
What about everyone else in the country? There are many many people out there in the work force who have invested a tremendous amount of time into their jobs and the companies they work for. If the economy has slowed down and the money is just not there, they have a choice. Take a pay cut or lose your job.
A friend of mine has been working in her job for 18 years. She told me the other day her pay is being cut 30%. 30%!!!! She's been loyal to her company yet she knows they have to do what they have to do. Are you saying she is any less deserving? They have put into place a plan where if she can exponentially increase revenue she can share in the profit. They love her and are trying to keep her. It's a two way street.
Part of the big problem in academia is tenure. These tenured professors think "I deserve it, I don't have to produce revenue, and what can they do about it!" Now they are finding out, just like all the rest of us, that there is something that can be done about it.
dON hEICHEL - sOQUEL

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#13
Sep 25, 2009
 
Students vote progressive and liberal like sheep.

Now that their elected leaders have driven business to other states (and countries)and the tax revenue to support their education is reduced they yell...

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Look in the mirror and realize your votes are responsible for the killing of biz which has hiked your fees.

The link is direct and observable.
ucsc_alum

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Sep 25, 2009
 
"Did it ever occur to you that these people have invested a tremendous amount of time and money into building their careers so that they might just deserve what they get paid? Or is your comment based completely upon jealousy?"

Did it ever occur to you that the mentality of austerity for everyone except ‘me’ is the epitome of hypocrisy? Why should a UC administrator make more then the president of the US? UC administrators make very good salaries but UC staff is by all measures underpaid. Keep in mind, UC administrators are paid on the public dime; if UC administrators wanted to make top $, they should have gone into private industry. We need more scholars\administrators who work in education for the love of the profession and not love of the $.
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Sep 25, 2009
 
CHILDREN PLEASE wrote:
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Did it ever occur to you that these people have invested a tremendous amount of time and money into building their careers so that they might just deserve what they get paid? Or is your comment based completely upon jealousy?
They do have a right to build their careers. However, one of the things which is sticking in people's craws is that some of those folks at the top are getting massive raises while the folks much further down are getting their wages cut. As for UPTE and UCOP, there's poor leadership happening on both sides as each side refuses to compromise.

It's a mess. And to the person who suggested that those staff and faculty striking go get other jobs - have you seen what employment is like in CA? And many folks wish to remain in this community and improve it.

I agree that taxation should not go up to support more money to the institution. Rather, I think UCOP should act more responsibly and openly with the money the UC system does have.
Where is Gary Gagnes

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Sep 25, 2009
 
SC Raver wrote:
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Ha ha this post will make people mad but this dude kinda nailed it..
Hardly. They're turning higher education (which is needed for a competitive industry) back to only for the rich. They're protesting having to graduate with riduculous debt. Imagine if there were no student loans and people had to pay up front. Only the rich need apply. Having said that, too many go to university nowadays and study a major that can't be used when they graduate.
The real squeal

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#17
Sep 25, 2009
 
At the end of this piece we see what the protest was really all about: Bill Monning and 40 Pajaro Valley teacher protesters calling for elimination of the 2/3 threshold for passing tax hikes. And of course the financial problems are all about those fat cat administrators, and nothing to do with fat cat professors like Angela Davis, now drawing a huge pension for her decades of filling a chair in the UCSC History of Consciousness Department, schools providing non-classrom services like day care facilities, etc. etc. Yeah, the unions will shout "Cut from the top!" where there are non-union positions to eliminate.
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Sep 25, 2009
 
Join the Movement wrote:
I want to grow up to be a Liberal larva with all the taxpayer and parental provided freebies! We demand cheap admissions based on our lifes experience and any and all claims of mionority copnnection in our ancestyory! We expect to pay only minimal costs for admissions and tuition costs to attend our liberal college indoctrination which teaches us to rail against sucessful venture capitalists and strive for redistribution of wealth just like our hewros Stalin, Lenin, Castro, Chavez, Chaiman Mao, Uncled **** and the rest! Viva Marxism. Viva Obama! My professors have instilled in me the advantages of suckling at the taxpayers teets. We demand free stuff and we don't give a darn how bad the rest of you taxpaying losers are doing trying to make a living in the real world. We want everything our way or the highway pal!
Dude, you're in college? You may want to learn to spell...just saying...
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#19
Sep 25, 2009
 
SLUGS, GO HOME!
Your own building

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#20
Sep 25, 2009
 
You "occupied" your OWN building and had a dance?

*ROTFL*.....ewww, so radical, so empowering!

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