Don't ignore the violence in Libya

Sep 14, 2012 Full story: Vallejo Times-Herald 38

As the voices of reason call for calmness in the wake of the loss of life here in Vallejo, the dangers of hair-trigger tempers and mob mentality are all too clear a world away.

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Can Of Worms

Vallejo, CA

#1 Sep 14, 2012
As if we didn't have enough problems of our own, we keep sending billions to these countries but what do we get in return?
GEE

Union City, CA

#2 Sep 14, 2012
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said many Americans were asking,“How could this happen in a country we helped liberate, in a city we helped save from destruction? This question reflects just how complicated and, at times, how confounding the world can be.”

You must be really naive because there is nothing complicated about this Ms. Hilary Clinton.

Bribing people with money and promises, speeches of support that we will stand with them (why exactly, are we as a nation in the habit of assassinating our leaders, those that have become too aggressive in their pursuit of wanting it all and then some?) etc. etc.

Helping people, especially "liberating" them from something we obviously did not fully understand and trying to convert them to see our values and follow our principles, has very rarely worked....and it also did not work this time around!
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Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry, D- Mass., responded:“Whatever happened to the great commitment of the conservative movement in America to freedom and democracy and to help it develop? Just turn our back on it and pull out the aid? What the heck - because we don’t think they are civilized?”

Mr. Kerry, the commitment of the conservative movement to Freedom and Democracy as a goal is to nurtured it at home, it is beginning to fray at the edges.....
Being bad does have consequences like in this case not providing any further aid! Do we have enough feedback from our Intelligence Services that we can be certain that we are the only aid provider?

To believe that would truly be beyond naive! Are we going to continue to support nations that hate us enough to kill our people despite the infusion of Billions of Dollars?
Jim in SF

Vallejo, CA

#3 Sep 14, 2012
The way I see it Gee, Jimmy Carter made the first post WWII middle east foreign policy blunder when he allowed the Shaw of Iran to be overthrown. Here at home we couldn't comprehend the violence and force necessary to police the middle eastern people. Boy, were we in for a wake up call!

History repeats itself with the Obama administration, failing to learn the lessons of history and doubling down on a bad middle east bet, Hillary Rodham Clinton and President Obama have created a disaster in the middle east of biblical proportions.

If we don't replace this administration the world will once again be plunged into another world war.
Salty Dog

Vallejo, CA

#4 Sep 15, 2012
Yesterday a band of murderous, militaristic thugs decided to break into a diplomatic location in Libya. They were carrying RPGs and automatic weapons and murdered four people, including the Ambassador.

There were other related incidents across the Middle East and Africa. These attacks exhibited command and control, along with detailed planning. They were not, as many have represented, "mobs" that got out of control while demonstrating and had nothing to do with a video on Youtube.

To the people of the Middle East and Africa, along with Muslim radicals everywhere: Let me make America's position clear and may you carry this message far and wide.

If you violate our sovereignty with force of arms we will treat that as the armed invasion that it is. We will hunt you down and splatter your viscera all over the dirt where you stand and live upon, as we would do to any invading militaristic force. Politicians often talk about "bringing people to justice"; I instead wish you to know that it will be God who judges you in the present tense and you will then get to learn whether your belief that 72 virgins await you in paradise is real, or whether you are headed straight to Hell.

I understand that you don't like us very much. The feeling is mutual. However, you have built your economy around our consumption of your oil, and we have built ours around your supply of that oil. Today I announce that we are putting in place a crash program to end our use of your oil supply through the use of CTL and thorium nuclear technology. Within the next few years we will cease to care about your petroleum and we will depart your corner of the world forever. You may then kill one another with impunity and we will simply watch, take videos and post them to Youtube.

But in the meantime if one more American dies or is mistreated, if one more square millimeter of our property is damaged or destroyed, or if one more armed military action is taken against our people or property you will be hunted down like dogs and the pieces of what remain when our military is done with you will be fed to feral pigs. And once we have done that we will expropriate what you used to have, dollar-for-dollar, to compensate us for the harm you inflicted upon us.

Oh, one more thing -- we will not implement Sharia Law or anything approximating it. Further, self-declared enemies of our nation are not welcome on our soil; America is a place for freedom-loving people who respect the freedom of religion, including the right to be free from religion if one so chooses. The people of this nation have the absolute right to insult anyone they so choose; while such behavior may be boorish or rude the right to free expression is nonetheless one of our founding principles. Any individual or group that resorts to violence in response to free expression and through doing so brings harm to any American or their property will be deemed to have self-declared themselves as a rabid animal and we will defend our citizens and property from such rabid animals using all necessary force without apology or second thought.

Consider this a formal warning, because it is.

We're done tolerating this crap.

May God bless America.
Salty Dog

Vallejo, CA

#5 Sep 15, 2012
Now where is there one politician with a large enough sack to say that...chirp...chirp...chirp
sack o spuds

Richmond, CA

#6 Sep 15, 2012
Well the right Reverend Salty Dog can preach a mean sermon but I thought he was Canadian ? feral pigs and rabid animals , really now . CTL sounds interesting
maby he could share some info on the subject . I agree an organized and militarized force with standard weapons is not a spontainious mob but keep in mind it is an election year "any thing can happen"
remember Obama and Clinton did not start these wars.
Salty Dog

Vallejo, CA

#7 Sep 15, 2012
sack o spuds wrote:
Well the right Reverend Salty Dog can preach a mean sermon but I thought he was Canadian ? feral pigs and rabid animals , really now . CTL sounds interesting
maby he could share some info on the subject . I agree an organized and militarized force with standard weapons is not a spontainious mob but keep in mind it is an election year "any thing can happen"
remember Obama and Clinton did not start these wars.
correction...the very right, spammy.
GEE

Union City, CA

#8 Sep 15, 2012
sack o spuds wrote:
Well the right Reverend Salty Dog can preach a mean sermon but I thought he was Canadian ? feral pigs and rabid animals , really now . CTL sounds interesting
maby he could share some info on the subject . I agree an organized and militarized force with standard weapons is not a spontainious mob but keep in mind it is an election year "any thing can happen"
remember Obama and Clinton did not start these wars.
What is being a Canadian have to do with this? Are we sensitive to the opinions of others that are not US Americans to the point that we do not want to have their support? An "also" American country, Canada could be the next to be targeted as hate knows no borders. Any western country will do to express rage.

Clinton knew but ignored and let the "other" guy deal with it,.... and Obama could have ended it with the stroke of his pen, if he would have kept his campaign promises.

This is not political anymore but involves ideology and believes, hate being the nucleus!
Salty Dog

Vallejo, CA

#9 Sep 15, 2012
sack o spuds wrote:
Well the right Reverend Salty Dog can preach a mean sermon but I thought he was Canadian ? feral pigs and rabid animals , really now . CTL sounds interesting
maby he could share some info on the subject . I agree an organized and militarized force with standard weapons is not a spontainious mob but keep in mind it is an election year "any thing can happen"
remember Obama and Clinton did not start these wars.
We (Canadians), just last week, closed the Iranian embassy and declared their diplomats "persona non gratis". We (Canadians) are also fighting along side and dieing with American forces in Afghanistan. But, of course, you wouldn't know that.

The war against Islamic exfremism didn't end with the death of O Bin Ladin. These folk listen to one thing only- brute force.
Wanglow

Union City, CA

#10 Sep 15, 2012
Hillary (Secretary of State, female)signed the decision to allow the Marine guards to be "armed" but with NO BULLETS. What would George Patton do?
GEE

Union City, CA

#11 Sep 15, 2012
Wanglow wrote:
Hillary (Secretary of State, female)signed the decision to allow the Marine guards to be "armed" but with NO BULLETS. What would George Patton do?
He would not let Ms. Clinton tell him what to do! He would provide extra "BULLETS" to his men! But then he was a man that knew how to lead fairly and win!

Btw. "FEMALE" has nothing to with it, being of the ueber liberal persuasion does!
Why carry a weapon in a war zone without having the ability to deploy it for the intended purpose?
A Thought

Vacaville, CA

#12 Sep 16, 2012
and Sudan is telling us we can't send more of our Marines to protect our own Embassy....

Time to take Sudan out too!
Salty Dog

Vallejo, CA

#13 Sep 16, 2012
A Thought wrote:
and Sudan is telling us we can't send more of our Marines to protect our own Embassy....
Time to take Sudan out too!
That is the irresistible conclusion but hang on....that type of action is what gets people riled up about Americans. There is the little matter of sovereignty- to which the US subscribes.

A better course may be to recall the embassy and suspend aid to the country.
Wanglow

San Francisco, CA

#15 Sep 16, 2012
A "better response" would be to to handle these people and this country with the ONLY thing a bully understands; A BIG STICK. Hit them first, hit them hard and you don't have to worry about them again. Negotating with a thug or a government never results in success. Oobama's weak-kneed, cowardly example will get more Ameicans killed; watch and see.
anonymous

San Francisco, CA

#16 Sep 16, 2012
I say bomb them with Pig Fat!
Salty Dog

Vallejo, CA

#17 Sep 16, 2012
Wanglow wrote:
A "better response" would be to to handle these people and this country with the ONLY thing a bully understands; A BIG STICK. Hit them first, hit them hard and you don't have to worry about them again. Negotating with a thug or a government never results in success. Oobama's weak-kneed, cowardly example will get more Ameicans killed; watch and see.
You mean women and children too, I assume since any such action would likely involve collateral damage. Then who becomes the "bully" to hundreds of million people around the world?

At any rate, speaking softly and carrying a big stick may have been appropriate at the beginning of the last century, using that stick today, not so much. imo

Not very American.
Jim in SF

Greenbrae, CA

#18 Sep 16, 2012
My God, did anyone else see Susan Rice on ABC's "This Week" news program. She contradicts the Libyan President and military experts by saying the attack on our embassy was NOT preplanned. How stupid can this administration get? They are rank amateurs and should be replaced in Nov.
scooter

United States

#19 Sep 16, 2012
President Romney will get the USA back on track,after the 4 year train wreck called owebama.
Salty Dog

Vallejo, CA

#20 Sep 16, 2012
Jim in SF wrote:
My God, did anyone else see Susan Rice on ABC's "This Week" news program. She contradicts the Libyan President and military experts by saying the attack on our embassy was NOT preplanned. How stupid can this administration get? They are rank amateurs and should be replaced in Nov.
Now, that I can agree with. How can any responsible and appropriate action be taken with people like that in positions to shape the action.
oil money and blood

El Sobrante, CA

#21 Sep 18, 2012
Dont be dummys several attackers were taken alive and bet your booty they were tortured until they talked
Rice and others in the Administration recieved this intel. there must be many groups in the region that
equipped themselves with military hardware ,for sure
there are a profusion of sleeper cells that became well armed during the coup chaos, who the hell knows what kind of hardware they obtained . These nuts are fanatics you could whip them into a frenzy easily .
Romney is the type of idiot that will get us into LARGE and protracted wars he would make bush look like a peace-maker dove . Dont you dummys ever think things through ?.

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