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Bishop O'Dowd Program Director Refuses to Sign Oakland Diocese's New 'Morals' Code

There are 41 comments on the East Bay Express story from May 13, 2014, titled Bishop O'Dowd Program Director Refuses to Sign Oakland Diocese's New 'Morals' Code. In it, East Bay Express reports that:

In recent weeks, the Diocese of Oakland has increasingly come under fire for requiring teachers in East Bay Catholic schools to agree to a new "morals" code in their contracts - a controversial revision that covers expected behavior in their personal lives.

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Inquisition Irving

San Ramon, CA

#1 May 13, 2014
A Catholic priest trying to instill morality on teachers? I think the priesthood should look within its own ranks before passing judgement on others.
We are watching.

San Ramon, CA

#2 May 14, 2014
Many, many Catholics talking amongst ourselves about this. The majority has said they will not financially support the Oakland Diocese if the Bishop continues down this evil path.
Dan

United States

#3 May 14, 2014
These clauses are quite common in other diocesan schools around the nation.

If the folks who work for them don't like it, resign and find another job. People wil be more than happy to take their place, trust me.

I enjoyed the quote from this Kathleen Purcell person here:

":....... I spent most of my life trying to move forward civil rights."

First, it's "move civil rights forward", and second-you run a Career Partnerships program where you send kids out to job-shadow. You aren't Mohandas K. Ghandi or even Al Sharpton, for that matter. Get over yourself.
tom boyden

Berkeley, CA

#4 May 14, 2014
I thought the Nazis died in 1945. Are they trying to restrict conjugal relations between teachers and their partners to the "missionary position". I certainly would not put it past them. In any case, the backers of this unconstitutional bullshit should live in everlasting hellfire and damnation, which unfortunately only exists in the imagination of non-atheists.
Sherlayne

Blairstown, NJ

#5 May 16, 2014
Dan wrote:
These clauses are quite common in other diocesan schools around the nation.
If the folks who work for them don't like it, resign and find another job. People wil be more than happy to take their place, trust me.
I enjoyed the quote from this Kathleen Purcell person here:
":....... I spent most of my life trying to move forward civil rights."
First, it's "move civil rights forward", and second-you run a Career Partnerships program where you send kids out to job-shadow. You aren't Mohandas K. Ghandi or even Al Sharpton, for that matter. Get over yourself.
Are you speaking of MAHATMA Ghandi? If there really was a Mohandas K., I beg pardon.
Dan

United States

#6 May 16, 2014
Sherlayne wrote:
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Are you speaking of MAHATMA Ghandi? If there really was a Mohandas K., I beg pardon.
Mohandas was his name.

"Mahatma" is an honorific.
Dan

United States

#7 May 16, 2014
tom boyden wrote:
I thought the Nazis died in 1945. Are they trying to restrict conjugal relations between teachers and their partners to the "missionary position". I certainly would not put it past them. In any case, the backers of this unconstitutional bullshit should live in everlasting hellfire and damnation, which unfortunately only exists in the imagination of non-atheists.
No "backing" here and it's constitutional.

Private school, they make the rules, you sign the contract or you walk.

Contracts even apply to atheists from Berkely.
Realist

San Ramon, CA

#8 May 16, 2014
Interesting Roman Catholic embezzlement/fraud case in Menlo Park:

"Evelyn Vallacqua, 44, pleaded no contest to felony embezzlement for a scheme in which she and her boss, Jennifer Morris, allegedly pilfered more than $200,000 from St. Patrick's Seminary and University, a Roman Catholic post-graduate seminary in Menlo Park, according to the district attorney's office."

I guess they didn't sign "The Contract."
Dan

United States

#9 May 16, 2014
Realist wrote:
Interesting Roman Catholic embezzlement/fraud case in Menlo Park:
"Evelyn Vallacqua, 44, pleaded no contest to felony embezzlement for a scheme in which she and her boss, Jennifer Morris, allegedly pilfered more than $200,000 from St. Patrick's Seminary and University, a Roman Catholic post-graduate seminary in Menlo Park, according to the district attorney's office."
I guess they didn't sign "The Contract."
Good point.

Contracts usually stop felons in their tracks, don't they?
Sherlayne

Blairstown, NJ

#10 May 16, 2014
Dan wrote:
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Mohandas was his name.
"Mahatma" is an honorific.
Got it :)
Realist

San Ramon, CA

#11 May 16, 2014
Today's news:

"Students arrived at San Francisco’s Sacred Heart Cathedral High School Friday donning ties in support of a classmate whose photo was deleted from the yearbook because she wore a tuxedo in it.

School officials said Jessica Urbina violated the Archdiocese of San Francisco’s policy because she didn't wear the dress that's required for female students in yearbook photos."

The Catholic drama continues as young, tolerant students push back against antiquated church doctrine.
Dan

United States

#12 May 16, 2014
Realist wrote:
Today's news:
"Students arrived at San Francisco’s Sacred Heart Cathedral High School Friday donning ties in support of a classmate whose photo was deleted from the yearbook because she wore a tuxedo in it.
School officials said Jessica Urbina violated the Archdiocese of San Francisco’s policy because she didn't wear the dress that's required for female students in yearbook photos."
The Catholic drama continues as young, tolerant students push back against antiquated church doctrine.
Tomorrow's news will have the same kid in the unemployment line because she never learned that the world doesn't revovle around what she wants.
Realist

San Ramon, CA

#13 May 16, 2014
We didn't even need to wait one full day for the next Catholic school controversy:

SAN MATEO, California — Students at a San Francisco Bay Area all-boys Catholic school that counts Barry Bonds and Tom Brady among its alumni regularly harassed female instructors and competed to get up-skirt videos of them, and school officials did not do enough to stop them, according to a lawsuit filed by a female teacher.

Sounds like teachers are fed up.
Truth

San Ramon, CA

#14 May 17, 2014
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>Tomorrow's news will have the same kid in the unemployment line because she never learned that the world doesn't revovle around what she wants.
I beg to differ. This young woman will go far as she is proud of who she is, she is not afraid to exhibit her freedom of expression while breaking no laws, and she certainly doesn't give a damn about the antiquated, unaccepting, and totally dated behavior of some Catholics who think they are holier than thou. The school should be practicing acceptance, not discrimination.
Dan

United States

#15 May 19, 2014
Truth wrote:
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I beg to differ. This young woman will go far as she is proud of who she is, she is not afraid to exhibit her freedom of expression while breaking no laws, and she certainly doesn't give a damn about the antiquated, unaccepting, and totally dated behavior of some Catholics who think they are holier than thou. The school should be practicing acceptance, not discrimination.
She won't go far thinking that the world will bend to her will. It won't.

She doesn't have "freedom of expression" in private school as it's understood in public school.

I'm not sure that enforcing the dress code (that all are bound by) qualifies as "discrimination", but I'm sure you felt it neccessary to get a buzzword in there somehow.
Truth

San Ramon, CA

#16 May 19, 2014
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>She won't go far thinking that the world will bend to her will. It won't.

She doesn't have "freedom of expression" in private school as it's understood in public school.

I'm not sure that enforcing the dress code (that all are bound by) qualifies as "discrimination", but I'm sure you felt it neccessary to get a buzzword in there somehow.
Well Dan, you're wrong once again:

Today's news: San Francisco’s Sacred Heart Cathedral High School is apologizing Monday after a student’s photo was not included in the yearbook because she wore a tuxedo in it.

The omitted photo sparked controversy as students arrived at the school Friday donning ties in support of their classmate Jessica Urbina.

School officials had said Jessica violated the Archdiocese of San Francisco’s policy because she didn't wear the dress that's required for female students in yearbook photos, so her photo was not included in the yearbook.

School officials said they met with Jessica and her parents Thursday.

In a written apology school officials admitted that after the meeting,“it was clear that the school had not adequately communicated to Jessica or her parents (about) the decision made several months ago regarding senior portraits.”
Dan

United States

#17 May 20, 2014
Truth wrote:
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Well Dan, you're wrong once again:
Today's news: San Francisco’s Sacred Heart Cathedral High School is apologizing Monday after a student’s photo was not included in the yearbook because she wore a tuxedo in it.
The omitted photo sparked controversy as students arrived at the school Friday donning ties in support of their classmate Jessica Urbina.
School officials had said Jessica violated the Archdiocese of San Francisco’s policy because she didn't wear the dress that's required for female students in yearbook photos, so her photo was not included in the yearbook.
School officials said they met with Jessica and her parents Thursday.
In a written apology school officials admitted that after the meeting,“it was clear that the school had not adequately communicated to Jessica or her parents (about) the decision made several months ago regarding senior portraits.”
Doesn't read like I was wrong.

The school had a dress code. They are saying that they didn't communicate it adequately to the girl. The rest of the girls seemed to receive the message, but Jessica must be a slow learner or a SPED student.
Truth

San Ramon, CA

#18 May 20, 2014
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't read like I was wrong.

The school had a dress code. They are saying that they didn't communicate it adequately to the girl. The rest of the girls seemed to receive the message, but Jessica must be a slow learner or a SPED student.
Dan,

Please read the actual letter of apology that the school issued (there is a link via KTVU news). Then you can make informed comments regarding the student, school, or clarity of thought the school administrators have expressed.

Sounds like the school is joining the 21st century....Why don't you do the same! We would love to have you more open minded and accepting of others.
Dan

United States

#19 May 20, 2014
Truth wrote:
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Dan,
Please read the actual letter of apology that the school issued (there is a link via KTVU news). Then you can make informed comments regarding the student, school, or clarity of thought the school administrators have expressed.
Sounds like the school is joining the 21st century....Why don't you do the same! We would love to have you more open minded and accepting of others.
LOL

Go to work in attire that violates the dress code and tell me what century you'll be unemployed in.
Dan

United States

#20 May 20, 2014
Truth wrote:
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Dan,
Please read the actual letter of apology that the school issued (there is a link via KTVU news). Then you can make informed comments regarding the student, school, or clarity of thought the school administrators have expressed.
Sounds like the school is joining the 21st century....Why don't you do the same! We would love to have you more open minded and accepting of others.
Can you please send a link? I went to KTVU but couldn't locate the story you allude to here.

Thanks

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