Police Arrested Porterville Murderer

Sep 9, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: ABC30.com

It happened Thursday night on F Street near Willow in Porterville. Witnesses told detectives 38 year old Samuel Hart stabbed 23 year old Ruben Martinez during an argument. via ABC30.com

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Enraged

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The last time I checked I still live in the USA where we are all presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. To declare someone a murdered when you do not have all of the evidence and they have not recieved a fair trial, or any trial for that matter, is irresponsible. If you are going to parade as a journalist as least show your knowledge of journalism 101: Mr. Hart is an alleged murderer until proven otherwise.
Johanna

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I think that he killed him He is guilty. All this gang stuff in Porterville needs to calm down the police need to get more involved in the criminal activities that are going on. mostly all the murders happen in the morning time robberys happen in the morning around 1:00am ect. They need to get more police men on duty around that time. When all the tweekers and partiers are out.
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Enraged wrote:
The last time I checked I still live in the USA where we are all presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty. To declare someone a murdered when you do not have all of the evidence and they have not recieved a fair trial, or any trial for that matter, is irresponsible. If you are going to parade as a journalist as least show your knowledge of journalism 101: Mr. Hart is an alleged murderer until proven otherwise.
No dude' you live in Texass, where they have a revovling door at the gas chamber.
Johanna

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I know innocent until proven guilty, but come on stabbing Ruben in the upper chest area is a murder convection waiting to happen. HE"S GUILTY...
frank

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the police are the ones we should blame. That man came to my back yard twice and the cops let him go now look at what he did, he should stay there because i got little kids at my house and if i see him around here im going to deal with him my own dam self like i should had when i seen him in my back yard being a pervert.
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Enraged is ABSOLUTELY correct. If Samuel is tried and found INNOCENT then he can turn around and sue for defamation of character. The media has NO right to play judge and jury in any case. Indeed, comments such as that are what drive legal costs up because finding a jury that has not seen someone prosecuted in the media is extremely difficult and forces a change in venue for the trial to ensure an impartial jury. For those of you unfamiliar with this practice, costs are incurred when trials have to be taken elsewhere and guess who pays for it?? You do. So yes, enraged is correct. That was irresponsible journalism. By the way, in the United States (NOT just Texas)a person is innocent until proven guilty. Period. It's one of the laws that separates our country from others.
Daughter

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Oct 10, 2007
 
Enraged, I agree quite frankly. Innocent until proven guilty and I admire your ability to say what was wrong with that title. You said exactly what I wished to say. I e-mailed ABC30 and the article no longer exists.

Johanna, gang violence in Porterville doesn't exist you dimwitted idiot. You have five homicides in the whole year. Shut the hell up. You want to know gang violence? Try moving to Stockton. Where there are five homicides daily. Okay, a little exaggerated but we have many more homicides than your town. And, you know absolutely nothing of the case, you cannot declare him guilty. Just so you know, Ruben came onto private property and jumped Sam. It was self-defense. And where Sam stabbed Ruben is unimportant in a case. It's the damge it caused. It's obvious you only made it through the sixth grade.

Wison Pickett, you are in ignorant asshole. I hope that you end up in Brazil someday where you get lost in the jungle and are eaten by animals never before seen by humans. You are a disgrace to Americans.

Frank, you have no idea what you are talking about. One, Sam doesn't own a car. If he did, he wouldn't have the money to buy the gas to drive to Tulare to look at your kids. You are also a dumb asshole that deserves a swift kick in the ass. Sam has kids. He has three. He wouldn't be looking at your kids AT ALL unles he was wishing he hadn't pissed his own off. He is not a pervert and you saying things like "im going to deal with him my own dam self",(Spelling "damn" wrong), puts you on the same level as him. Do not blame cops for other people. People make their own decisions and cops cannot control that. Cops didn't put him away because like I said, he is NOT a pervert.

Lastly, but definately not least, Yvette; you are completely and totally correct. The media does go way farther than it ever should in almost all cases that involve any kind of violence. I want you to know that not all Californians are not as ignorant as these guys, just most of them.

Now my opinion. Yes, Sam is responsible for the death of another man. That DOES NOT make him a murderer. He does have a drug and alcohol problem and that could be what was behind his illogical thinking that fateful night. Yes, I do feel bad for Ruben's family. No one deserves to lose someone that quickly. It is upseting and I feel their grievances. I pray for them as should you. Yes, Sam should be in jail. It is the safest place for him and I'm sure he was on some sort of illegal substance. He was in the wrong in assaulting the man at all. But if you take a closer look at the right side of his face in his mug shot, it is swollen to an incredible amount. This is because Ruben and his buddies have jumped Sam before, on Sam's father's private property, and broke his jaw. He has no medical insurance and since it happened before he got into jail, he has to deal with the pain and the disfigured look. That Thursday night, Ruben came onto private property and Sam defended himself.

Before you go and make assumptions and comments about something you have no idea about, you may want to think about how ignorant you really sound. I apprectiate the Texans. Seems like they are the only people with any sense on here.

Thank you for reading this whole thing. I hope it was worth your time. And oh yeah, if what I wrote upsets you, e-mail me. I would love to hear more of how unintelligent you are. ErCoupeGirl@yahoo.com

P.S. To see Sam's picture:
Go to yahoo.com
Type "porterville samuel hart" into the search engine
Click the first thing that comes up.
SELF DEFENSE

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Johanna wrote:
I know innocent until proven guilty, but come on stabbing Ruben in the upper chest area is a murder convection waiting to happen. HE"S GUILTY...
Johanna... If several people attack you and bust up your face and you try to DEFEND yourself and accidentally kill one, does that make you automatically guilty of murder? Read the FACTS before you jump to conclusions. Please, don't serve jury duty. We don't need half wits like yourself making decisions when you can't even read, spell, or formulate a clear thought.
Daughter

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SELF DEFENSE wrote:
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Johanna... If several people attack you and bust up your face and you try to DEFEND yourself and accidentally kill one, does that make you automatically guilty of murder? Read the FACTS before you jump to conclusions. Please, don't serve jury duty. We don't need half wits like yourself making decisions when you can't even read, spell, or formulate a clear thought.
Thanks SELF DEFENSE. Appreciate it.
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Who accidentally stabs someone several time u Idiot.
Emmanuel

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this wasnt no gang violence this is my uncle the ine who was killed it was an argument beetween my uncle ruben and dat man the man wanted his brother inside or else he thretend to killed him my uncle told him not to do that the man was angry and the got in to a fight and thats wen my uncle was staved and killed rest in piece tio we miss u and so does ur mom
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SELF DEFENSE wrote:
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Johanna... If several people attack you and bust up your face and you try to DEFEND yourself and accidentally kill one, does that make you automatically guilty of murder? Read the FACTS before you jump to conclusions. Please, don't serve jury duty. We don't need half wits like yourself making decisions when you can't even read, spell, or formulate a clear thought.
this is all bullshit fk all ur comments who cares he beat the shit ouut of him no one deserves to die and i dnt think my uncle ruben did r.i.p tio ruben we will miss u
Daughter

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Sep 20, 2013
 
Emmanuel wrote:
this wasnt no gang violence this is my uncle the ine who was killed it was an argument beetween my uncle ruben and dat man the man wanted his brother inside or else he thretend to killed him my uncle told him not to do that the man was angry and the got in to a fight and thats wen my uncle was staved and killed rest in piece tio we miss u and so does ur mom
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<quoted text> this is all bullshit fk all ur comments who cares he beat the shit ouut of him no one deserves to die and i dnt think my uncle ruben did r.i.p tio ruben we will miss u
If you learned to speak/write proper English people might take your comments more seriously. No one deserves to have the shit beat out of them or live in fear of retribution either. Ruben terrorized Samuel and unfortunately someone paid the ulyimate price. If they had left Samuel alone then Ruben would still be alive. People are born with the right to defend themselves, whether you believe it or not.
NORTE ON MINEZ

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Daughter wrote:
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If you learned to speak/write proper English people might take your comments more seriously. No one deserves to have the shit beat out of them or live in fear of retribution either. Ruben terrorized Samuel and unfortunately someone paid the ulyimate price. If they had left Samuel alone then Ruben would still be alive. People are born with the right to defend themselves, whether you believe it or not.
mothafer don't no how to spell either
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Oct 22, 2013
 
Daughter wrote:
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If you learned to speak/write proper English people might take your comments more seriously. No one deserves to have the shit beat out of them or live in fear of retribution either. Ruben terrorized Samuel and unfortunately someone paid the ulyimate price. If they had left Samuel alone then Ruben would still be alive. People are born with the right to defend themselves, whether you believe it or not.
maybe its because im chicano fk dat i can spell however i want fk thoez putos dey aint got shit on me nd my uncle dont got to take all da blame wen samuel started all thiz shit u vatos think u no the story wen the truth u dnt no shit .
barneylocz14

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Oct 22, 2013
 
Daughter wrote:
Enraged, I agree quite frankly. Innocent until proven guilty and I admire your ability to say what was wrong with that title. You said exactly what I wished to say. I e-mailed ABC30 and the article no longer exists.
Johanna, gang violence in Porterville doesn't exist you dimwitted idiot. You have five homicides in the whole year. Shut the hell up. You want to know gang violence? Try moving to Stockton. Where there are five homicides daily. Okay, a little exaggerated but we have many more homicides than your town. And, you know absolutely nothing of the case, you cannot declare him guilty. Just so you know, Ruben came onto private property and jumped Sam. It was self-defense. And where Sam stabbed Ruben is unimportant in a case. It's the damge it caused. It's obvious you only made it through the sixth grade.
Wison Pickett, you are in ignorant asshole. I hope that you end up in Brazil someday where you get lost in the jungle and are eaten by animals never before seen by humans. You are a disgrace to Americans.
Frank, you have no idea what you are talking about. One, Sam doesn't own a car. If he did, he wouldn't have the money to buy the gas to drive to Tulare to look at your kids. You are also a dumb asshole that deserves a swift kick in the ass. Sam has kids. He has three. He wouldn't be looking at your kids AT ALL unles he was wishing he hadn't pissed his own off. He is not a pervert and you saying things like "im going to deal with him my own dam self",(Spelling "damn" wrong), puts you on the same level as him. Do not blame cops for other people. People make their own decisions and cops cannot control that. Cops didn't put him away because like I said, he is NOT a pervert.
Lastly, but definately not least, Yvette; you are completely and totally correct. The media does go way farther than it ever should in almost all cases that involve any kind of violence. I want you to know that not all Californians are not as ignorant as these guys, just most of them.
Now my opinion. Yes, Sam is responsible for the death of another man. That DOES NOT make him a murderer. He does have a drug and alcohol problem and that could be what was behind his illogical thinking that fateful night. Yes, I do feel bad for Ruben's family. No one deserves to lose someone that quickly. It is upseting and I feel their grievances. I pray for them as should you. Yes, Sam should be in jail. It is the safest place for him and I'm sure he was on some sort of illegal substance. He was in the wrong in assaulting the man at all. But if you take a closer look at the right side of his face in his mug shot, it is swollen to an incredible amount. This is because Ruben and his buddies have jumped Sam before, on Sam's father's private property, and broke his jaw. He has no medical insurance and since it happened before he got into jail, he has to deal with the pain and the disfigured look. That Thursday night, Ruben came onto private property and Sam defended himself.
Before you go and make assumptions and comments about something you have no idea about, you may want to think about how ignorant you really sound. I apprectiate the Texans. Seems like they are the only people with any sense on here.
Thank you for reading this whole thing. I hope it was worth your time. And oh yeah, if what I wrote upsets you, e-mail me. I would love to hear more of how unintelligent you are. ErCoupeGirl@yahoo.com
P.S. To see Sam's picture:
Go to yahoo.com
Type "porterville samuel hart" into the search engine
Click the first thing that comes up.
btw u fkn retard u dont no shit about poros aka porterville u dont no what gang violence there is here whit all da homeboys so stfu

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