General Motors: From No. 1 to running...

General Motors: From No. 1 to running on fumes

There are 19 comments on the Long Beach Press-Telegram story from May 30, 2009, titled General Motors: From No. 1 to running on fumes. In it, Long Beach Press-Telegram reports that:

For generations, General Motors fueled America's love affair with the automobile, building cars that defined their owners' status in life and the industrial might of the nation.

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Leprechan

Long Beach, CA

#1 May 31, 2009
GM got big and lazy. They poorly engineered their vehicles and expected Americans to continue to buy American cars. I bought an American truck several years ago. What a mistake.

GM is also a victim of the UAW. The UAW creates fat lazy workers that demand more money and benefits, but don't produce. BY the next generation, GM will be gone. Sad.
Ronald

AOL

#3 May 31, 2009
It is a common tactic employed by Big Government to warn of what might be in order to conceal that which already is. The objective is to increase Governmental control and interference with every economic and social decision made by decent overtaxed Americans. This tactic is also used as a means of protectionism. This is made manifest through such means as "environmental regulations and standards". This has been especially so since the clever 60s generation (now in power) "got their chance".(so to speak)

As a means of protecting the American automobile industry, Big Government threw down the cudgel to foreign automobile manufacturers in the form of safety standards and vehicle emissions and fuel standards and regulations. Unfortunately for the American automobile industry, foreign automobile manufacturers picked up the cudgel and beat Big Government at its own game.

Big Government is now tapping the overburdened American taxpayer to bail out Big Detroit because of decisions it itself made. It is also proposing a further subsidy for American manufactures in the form of Governmental (taxpayer) paid medical insurance in order to eliminate medical insurance as an issue from the management/labor bargaining table.

Because of Big Government "regulations and standards", American automobile manufacturers have essentially been producing Obamamobiles for the past 30 years. The "new generation" of these vehicles is near, with Government designed and manufactured Segway Obamamobile already in prospect.

Despite the cognizant dissidence these "new and improved" vehicles will likely produce in the minds of automobile buyers, Big Government's controlled media will likely be able to convince buyers they like them, especially when one weighs the alternative of complete destruction of the world as we know it because of global warming, or cooling - whichever may be appropriate at the time.

Ronald

“American & European cars FTW!”

Since: Mar 09

North Aurora, IL

#5 May 31, 2009
Great words my friend. I still believe in the American Auto Industry though only in denial of the fact that they are so greedy. What a mistake it is that these cars aren't always given to the best of conditions (i.e. heavy-footed drivers) but that is what brings them their cash flow. I've always owned GM or German made vehicles and the only complaint I've had is the complexity of work on the German cars and the amount of work with American. But, American cars are simple in design and mechanic friendly and the German cars rarely ever have problems. Most people comment on the nwere cars but never take a second to look back. I own a Pontiac Fiero and a Volkswagen Fox. Both my cars are from 1988 and perform above and beyond for being 21 years old. Most of the issues with these car companies is the biased opinion and favoritism for their label. All cars are good cars. They just need the time and place where they will perform the best. Instead, they get dumped in the junkyard for having a bad first impression.
Sorry GM

Los Angeles, CA

#6 May 31, 2009
Sorry GM, and the other American car makers. Back in 2003, when I was looking for a fuel efficient car, your lots were filled with gas guzzling trucks and SUV's. So, I bought a German car. I'm hooked. I love German engineering. Any cars I buy in the future will be German.
Otto

La Mesa, CA

#7 May 31, 2009
OPEC raised gas prices so naturally, small fuel efficient vehicles would be in demand. This started around 1979 so the foreign car makers did just that. Now finally, General Motors, now called Government Motors, are going to start building small fuel efficient cars as their main object. They are only about 30 years too late but what the Heck? The CEOs have made a killing income wise.
Otto

La Mesa, CA

#8 May 31, 2009
Then too, for example, on a '65 Pontiac, when a tail light lens was broken which occurred all the time because they protruded, the rear bumper had to be removed to change it. This had to be done by a mechanic. The foreign auto makers made most repairs simple so the car owner was able to fix it himself. GM's greed caught up with them. What goes around, comes around.
Abolish welfare

Cerritos, CA

#9 May 31, 2009
Ronald wrote:
It is a common tactic employed by Big Government to warn of what might be in order to conceal that which already is. The objective is to increase Governmental control and interference with every economic and social decision made by decent overtaxed Americans. This tactic is also used as a means of protectionism. This is made manifest through such means as "environmental regulations and standards". This has been especially so since the clever 60s generation (now in power) "got their chance".(so to speak)
As a means of protecting the American automobile industry, Big Government threw down the cudgel to foreign automobile manufacturers in the form of safety standards and vehicle emissions and fuel standards and regulations. Unfortunately for the American automobile industry, foreign automobile manufacturers picked up the cudgel and beat Big Government at its own game.
Big Government is now tapping the overburdened American taxpayer to bail out Big Detroit because of decisions it itself made. It is also proposing a further subsidy for American manufactures in the form of Governmental (taxpayer) paid medical insurance in order to eliminate medical insurance as an issue from the management/labor bargaining table.
Because of Big Government "regulations and standards", American automobile manufacturers have essentially been producing Obamamobiles for the past 30 years. The "new generation" of these vehicles is near, with Government designed and manufactured Segway Obamamobile already in prospect.
Despite the cognizant dissidence these "new and improved" vehicles will likely produce in the minds of automobile buyers, Big Government's controlled media will likely be able to convince buyers they like them, especially when one weighs the alternative of complete destruction of the world as we know it because of global warming, or cooling - whichever may be appropriate at the time.
Ronald
Have you noticed that new cars don't come standard with ashtrays anymore. That the charge the purchaser extra for one, but still come with 'lighters', interesting...
carlover

West Covina, CA

#10 May 31, 2009
You know, I'm a big fan of cars. I always loved them since I was a young boy. Sport cars to be exact. I liked trucks too, but knew that they were heavy pieces of machinery, and something heavy takes more energy to move. My dream sports car would be any high performance sports car by Porsche, Ferrari, Saleen, any of the exotic brands. The thing with GM, Chrysler, and Ford is that they engineer there cars really cheap. If it's not a truck, suv, the corvette or viper, it wouldn't be a good idea to buy it. The interior begins to fall apart after two years, you know the cheap wanna-be vinyl plastic they use. They require more maintenance then other foreign brands. I'm guessing what they do, from what I know as a student engineer, they try to find the cheapest way and cheapest materials to manufacture there "cars", and sell them where there is equilibrium in order to maximize profits. Throwing quality out the window.
carlover

West Covina, CA

#11 May 31, 2009
Actually, from what I know, I don't think Gm is as bas as Ford and Chrysler. Just saying.
Ronald

AOL

#12 May 31, 2009
Abolish welfare wrote:
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Have you noticed that new cars don't come standard with ashtrays anymore. That the charge the purchaser extra for one, but still come with 'lighters', interesting...
Abolish welfare.

Yes. Decent tobacco smokers would use those handy little gadgets as places to put their cigarette ashes and butts so as to not spoil the environment. Decent non smokers would use them as places to hide their bridge toll and parking meter change.

During the radical 60s revolution, Big Government provided seed money for all sorts of divisive organizations in order to ensure society was continually in uproar so as to ensure the current corrupt political system remains the biggest frog in the pond.

One of these divisive elements were the various radical extremist anti smoker organizations that were established for the purpose of making $Big $Bucks for the cons who operate them, and for the purpose of passing out political spoils.

Big Detroit took advantage of the hostile anti smoker environment created by these thugs by leading the drive to shake down customers in the form of charging extra payments for "smokers packages" (ashtrays) Is it any wonder why Government controlled Big Auto have committed bankruptcy?

Ronald
Seth Adams

Long Beach, CA

#13 May 31, 2009
Smart money managers agree that you Best sell your Ford Motor Company stock asap.

The Obamaites will now kill Ford in order to nationalize the entire Industry.

Otherwise, Ford may succeed. And, no Obamaite wants a privately owned American Company to prosper.
Andy

Los Angeles, CA

#14 May 31, 2009
carlover wrote:
You know, I'm a big fan of cars. I always loved them since I was a young boy. Sport cars to be exact. I liked trucks too, but knew that they were heavy pieces of machinery, and something heavy takes more energy to move. My dream sports car would be any high performance sports car by Porsche, Ferrari, Saleen, any of the exotic brands. The thing with GM, Chrysler, and Ford is that they engineer there cars really cheap. If it's not a truck, suv, the corvette or viper, it wouldn't be a good idea to buy it. The interior begins to fall apart after two years, you know the cheap wanna-be vinyl plastic they use. They require more maintenance then other foreign brands. I'm guessing what they do, from what I know as a student engineer, they try to find the cheapest way and cheapest materials to manufacture there "cars", and sell them where there is equilibrium in order to maximize profits. Throwing quality out the window.
I knew a few employee's at GM. First, the dealer's make NO money in their car division. They sell it for no profit, ordinarily. They make money by charging you interest to buy the car in their finance division, which many people don't even know exists. If it were not for their financing division, GM would have gone bankrupt years ago. Another method of making money is engineering failure into their parts. Some parts are engineered to fail by a certain time, so GM dealers can make money selling a replacement part.
I was told of one year during a dealer's convention, many dealers were up in arms with GM because the alternator of a certain "popular" car line wasn't failing by the usual time, and they were losing a lot of money because of it.
In any case, GM makes their money in their truck and exotic car division, and that's it. It's also where they put their quality. GM trucks are very well made, all around. The consumer car division is a financial model that is created to extract a certain amount of money from the consumer for the life of the vehicle.
The foreign car companies do not have that kind of business model, and that's why their consumer cars tend to last as you'd expect. They make money on their new cars, so they don't have to rig the game to make you pay later. I'm just speaking of what I've heard from employee's at GM. I'd assume it's roughly the same for the other two domestic car companies.
If you want to buy a truck or exotic car, GM is as good, or better than anybody else. Anyone who knows trucks will agree. Otherwise, buyer beware.
refugee

Philadelphia, PA

#15 May 31, 2009
the problem is, we're still talking about them.
they should be dead and gone long time ago.

nobody plans to fail, they just fail to plan
Head In Sand

Long Beach, CA

#16 May 31, 2009
GM & UAW did this to themselves. They concentrated on producing high profit gas guzzling SUV & trucks. GM never put any priority on producing econo cars like the Japanese. Their econo cars that were produced were a joke & ugly in comparison to the Japanese makes. The quality of their cars was also a joke. They also couldn't compete price wise with the Japanese cars because of the inflated UAW costs.

The UAW doesn't promote efficiency or productivity. The UAW didn't volunteered any concessions for a long time when GM was looking at ways to cut costs to save themselves. I don't feel sorry one bit for the GM & the UAW.
never forget

Los Angeles, CA

#17 May 31, 2009
Let us not forget that the reason we don't have the most efficient mode of mass transit in the country is because of GM's well documented attack and disassembly of the Red Car line back in the fifties, and it's replacement with their busses, which are a national embarrassment today.
They absolutely trashed southern california.
carlover

West Covina, CA

#18 May 31, 2009
Oh yeah I forgot about the car loans and interest stuff. Not suprised they engineer them to fail. They teach us to engineer to help society as a whole. I guess some of them get greedy along the way.
Bob Samuels

Long Beach, CA

#19 May 31, 2009
never forget wrote:
Let us not forget that the reason we don't have the most efficient mode of mass transit in the country is because of GM's well documented attack and disassembly of the Red Car line back in the fifties, and it's replacement with their busses, which are a national embarrassment today.
They absolutely trashed southern california.
I believe that was Firestone Tire and Rubber Company which colluded with that generation of deceitful elected gangsters to destroy the Red Cars.
Larry Stokes

Aurora, CO

#20 Jun 1, 2009
It boils down to this: Americans that have purchased foreign cars should be ashamed. Unions should be ashamed, GM should be ashamed. All for NOT backing/BUYING and building an American product.
The giant of the auto business has fallen. America is falling with it.
Be assured, sometime soon, those of you that bought foreign cars, will be speaking Chinese,
if, you are intelligent enough to learn.
Most Americans are lazy nowadays. It's the new way, gimmee gimmee for no work society.
SAD
Jeff Robinson

Long Beach, CA

#21 Jun 1, 2009
If you know any one with Ford Motors stocks or bonds it would be wise to advise them to dump them.

As Obama Nationalizes the American Auto Industry in order to reward the UAW it will be vital to use his Power as Auto Czar to destroy Ford. Then the Auto Industry can finally be run as a "collective" farm runs in the Soviet Union.

Once Ford is either destroyed or nationalized the Obama will be able to end any free choice by the consumers.

He is will use his vast experience in the Auto Industry to force American tax slaves to buy what he wants rather than what they want.

The Soviet Union model of "collectivism" may end free choice for the tax slaves but it should Meet Obama's goal of a politically driven decision making process.

It's the exact kind of CHANGE that Lenin and Stalin brought forth almost 100 years ago which ultimately led to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Many feel The Obama can succeed where all who attempted this have failed before him.

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