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redhed

Lexington, KY

#1 Nov 4, 2008
are they the real deal?
Hmmmm

Lexington, KY

#2 Nov 4, 2008
You mean a real cult?
not for sure

AOL

#3 Nov 4, 2008
Seems like it's a place that wants your paycheck.
someone

Lexington, KY

#4 Nov 4, 2008
i know some people that go there and yes it seems like a cult to me and your right they are all about the money i went once and i will never go again it doesnt seem right to me
Courtney

Eubank, KY

#5 Nov 4, 2008
I heard Chip Devasher is no longer the youth minister. Does anyone know why he left?
pew two_COTR

Lexington, KY

#6 Nov 4, 2008
Define cult!! Old fashion style church, with modern worship is more like it. Been there since the doors were opened, and no one as yet has asked me for money. Tithes and offerings are collected from willing givers, no one is coerced. No one is forced to attend. You want a genuine experince with God, give it a go for yourself, don't take someone elses word or hearsay.
yea boi

Berea, KY

#7 Nov 4, 2008
This is a "look at me" church. The pastor for one, loves the attention. I have been to this church, and I won't be back. They want money to show off. I'm not sure what larger group it is affiliated with, but it's fringe at best.
pew two_COTR

Lexington, KY

#8 Nov 4, 2008
In a Sunday morning service, the attendance of 850 to 1000 people will speak for itself. It is easy to throw rocks when one stays on the outside.
yea boi

Berea, KY

#9 Nov 4, 2008
pew two_COTR wrote:
In a Sunday morning service, the attendance of 850 to 1000 people will speak for itself. It is easy to throw rocks when one stays on the outside.
It does speak for itself. It's a feel good, look at me, service. Isn't the preacher's wife called a pastor too? It was on the web page. How is a woman pastor an "old fashioned".

Are you sure you're not overstating your numbers. That would be a 10th of the population of Berea.
Big Cuz

Lexington, KY

#10 Nov 4, 2008
I went there one time. I was there for a Christmas play and before anything was really said at all Darnell Hill got up and asked for an offering before the play got started. I dunno it just made me feel a lil weird taking up an offering so soon with no message being delivered at all yet.
Randy J

Berea, KY

#11 Nov 5, 2008
I have never been to this church, but I think anyone would be hard pressed to define it as a cult. In answer to the original question, I think redhead would need to give more details as to what you consider "the real deal".
I can say tithes and offerings are Biblical, and I would certainly hope they give the attendees the opportunity to give.
As long as they teach the unaltered Word of God, then yes, I would consider them the real deal. No matter the church though, remember it's your job to "validate" the pastor and the message he brings through study.
someone

Lexington, KY

#12 Nov 5, 2008
The pastor is a full time pastor which means he gets payed to preach. I myself fell as if you should not go to college to preach nor should you get paid to preach. He has way too many toys to not be a money preacher. I think that tithes and offerings should go to pay the church bills and to help the needed in the church not buy new 4-wheelers and trucks every year. now it says to not judge a man and that i am not this is all my opinion on what a pastor should be take it how you would like.
pew two_COTR

Lexington, KY

#14 Nov 5, 2008
When ever COTR gives a presentation such as a Christmas production, to avoid interruption, the people are given the opportunity to give (tithes & offerings) before hand, so as not to interfer with the mood of the play. That's how it was explained to me.
pew two_COTR

Lexington, KY

#15 Nov 5, 2008
someone wrote:
The pastor is a full time pastor which means he gets payed to preach. I myself fell as if you should not go to college to preach nor should you get paid to preach. He has way too many toys to not be a money preacher. I think that tithes and offerings should go to pay the church bills and to help the needed in the church not buy new 4-wheelers and trucks every year. now it says to not judge a man and that i am not this is all my opinion on what a pastor should be take it how you would like.
The man is liked by many people, some who like to give him gifts directly. Not long ago, he was given a trip to Israel. Nothing came from church funds.
pew two_COTR

Lexington, KY

#16 Nov 5, 2008
not for sure wrote:
Church on the Rock is not affilited with any larger group. The money that comes in, which I heard was well over $100,000 a month goes directly to the church AND Mark. I have never been there in person, but if you catch it on tv all he preaches on is money. And in my opinion he does in such a rude way I wouldn't give a dime. Mark is living the high life- big home, nice cars and anything else he wants, while Joe Blow on the front row probably is desperate for groceries.
I also agree that you should not be paid to be a preacher OR go to college. It's a gift that is given to you.
COTR has a board of trustees/financial committee who handle and disburse all funds. Pastor Mark receives a salary as set by these boards, as far as the $100,000 goes, how would you like to pay a $24,000 a month light bill to heat and cool a sanctuary that holds 1250 people? I've heard a lot of things about many people, but that don't make it truth, possibly just gossip or hearsay.
one of the least of these

Macon, GA

#17 Nov 5, 2008
good afternoon all. I certainly hope that no one is advocating ignorant leaders. Paul the apostle was a very well educated man and is the most celebrated preacher (outside of Christ) in the entire New Testament. If the blind (uneducated) lead the blind, then are we not just setting ourselves up to fall in a hole? It may come as a surprise to all of you good intending people, but the Bible is clear to take care of the men (and women) in ministry...

1 Timothy 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

and if you want a preacher that can't read, drives a broken down 1977 Pinto to your mother's funeral, and must wear torn clothes from the clothing ministry, then you did not read the next verse...

1 Timothy 5:18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

Let's be clear about the man that you have insulted and the congregation that you scrutinize without cause. Pastor Mark Sarver has no formal education beyond Berea Community High School. The leadership of the church is mostly volunteer. The Chevrolet Pick up truck that he drives is not new (of course that would be nice) and his wife had a secular job as a florist (providing most of the income to purchase his home). Furthermore, salaries are a matter of public record for anyone that attends the budget meetings. His is not even near what you would imagine (of course that too would be nice). Now, as for judging, I am doing that now. "In righteousness shall you judge", this is what the scriptures tell me. I must challenge those, that would give their time to idle chatter and defamation of character, to consider the words of King David when he refused to touch the annointed of God. Whether you agree with the doctrines of Mark Sarver or Church on the Rock, I am sure that no one wants to heap damnation on their own head. Please come out to visit Church on the Rock, leave your purse behind, and allow me and the others of our family to offer (free to all) our hospitality, love, and resources.

May God Bless you in spite of yourselves.
dara

Nicholasville, KY

#18 Nov 5, 2008
i think a lot of this info is not correct. i have been there before but it has been a while. i enjoyed every minute i was there when i did go and never could give a lot in the offering plate (bag). i was not treated any different than the lady next to me that was putting in more than myself. i think you should attend before you could say some of this negative nonsense..
yea boi

Berea, KY

#19 Nov 5, 2008
pew two_COTR wrote:
<quoted text>COTR has a board of trustees/financial committee who handle and disburse all funds. Pastor Mark receives a salary as set by these boards, as far as the $100,000 goes, how would you like to pay a $24,000 a month light bill to heat and cool a sanctuary that holds 1250 people? I've heard a lot of things about many people, but that don't make it truth, possibly just gossip or hearsay.
$288,000 per year for only your lights, heating and air? Do you expect anyone to believe these numbers?

You have a building on Hwy25, not Rupp arena.
yea boi

Berea, KY

#20 Nov 5, 2008
one of the least of these wrote:
good afternoon all. I certainly hope that no one is advocating ignorant leaders. Paul the apostle was a very well educated man and is the most celebrated preacher (outside of Christ) in the entire New Testament. If the blind (uneducated) lead the blind, then are we not just setting ourselves up to fall in a hole? It may come as a surprise to all of you good intending people, but the Bible is clear to take care of the men (and women) in ministry...
1 Timothy 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
and if you want a preacher that can't read, drives a broken down 1977 Pinto to your mother's funeral, and must wear torn clothes from the clothing ministry, then you did not read the next verse...
1 Timothy 5:18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
Let's be clear about the man that you have insulted and the congregation that you scrutinize without cause. Pastor Mark Sarver has no formal education beyond Berea Community High School. The leadership of the church is mostly volunteer. The Chevrolet Pick up truck that he drives is not new (of course that would be nice) and his wife had a secular job as a florist (providing most of the income to purchase his home). Furthermore, salaries are a matter of public record for anyone that attends the budget meetings. His is not even near what you would imagine (of course that too would be nice). Now, as for judging, I am doing that now. "In righteousness shall you judge", this is what the scriptures tell me. I must challenge those, that would give their time to idle chatter and defamation of character, to consider the words of King David when he refused to touch the annointed of God. Whether you agree with the doctrines of Mark Sarver or Church on the Rock, I am sure that no one wants to heap damnation on their own head. Please come out to visit Church on the Rock, leave your purse behind, and allow me and the others of our family to offer (free to all) our hospitality, love, and resources.
May God Bless you in spite of yourselves.
I think any reasonable person would not assume a position as a florist would be enough to pay for a home.(no disrespect to florists) Please share what his salary is if it is so freely given as "public record" as you say.

He also has plenty of toys, motorcycles, 4 wheelers, etc. He lives in a very high style.

Everything about him and this church is "look at me/us." I have been there on multiple occasions. I didn't feel pressure to give any money, but I did feel pressure to become a lemming and worship the pastor.
just because

Berea, KY

#21 Nov 5, 2008
I DO NOT GO TO THIS CHURCH BUT MY KIDS HAVE WENT TO THERE 3 DAY BASKETBALL CAMP AND I COULD NOT ASK FOR NICER PEOPLE..THE KIDS LOVED THE CAMP AND IT WAS ALL FREE.. THEY INVITED ALL THE KIDS BACK FOR ANY ACTIVITY THEY HAD EVEN IF THEY DONT GO TO THAT CHURCH..I THINK YOU SHOULD GO TO A CHURCH THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE AT AND IF THIS ONE ISNT IT THEN YOU SHOULD MOVE ON AND FIND ANOTHER...

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