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concerned citizen

Lexington, KY

#1 Aug 2, 2010
Why doesn't the state of KY do something about checking into all the people who are pulling their children out of school and are claiming that they are home schooling them? Yes, there are a few people who follow a good curriculum and do a great job with home schooling, so I am not worried about them.I do worry about the trend going on with a certain group in a certain area that claim to be home schooling when they are not capable of teaching any child. It is so unfair to be able to just take away their child's chance to get an education.They do not encourage their children to value an education or set goals for their future.All these parents seem to want for their children is to grow up to be lazy, and look for free handouts.This is one reason we have so many people in KY who have no job skills.I know several of these home schooled kids and all they do is sleep, watch TV, or play all day.They are not being educated!
big problem

Versailles, KY

#2 Aug 2, 2010
concerned citizen wrote:
....I know several of these home schooled kids and all they do is sleep, watch TV, or play all day.They are not being educated!...
They will end up being trash just like their parents.
Searcher

United States

#3 Aug 3, 2010
The large problem with home schooling is if the parents are successful in teaching their children everything they know, then those children are only as smart as someone stupid enough to remove their kids from school.

Nuff said.
Observer

Berea, KY

#4 Aug 3, 2010
As a retired educator, I have seen this happen time after time. The children disappear off the radar.... Many of these kids have potential, but parents think they can do better than public schools, but soon find out it is not that easy.
Many remove their children because of behavior problems and the child receives no help or encouragement, thus the cycle continues.
The only answer is state oversight and supervision... and some type of evaluation. However, since much funding is cut back, and people being laid off...that will not happen.
IMO

Versailles, KY

#7 Aug 8, 2010
And yea I know my grammar and spelling is bad, after all I learned everything from the puplic school system.
Take Back the Night

Lexington, KY

#8 Aug 9, 2010
concerned citizen wrote:
Why doesn't the state of KY do something about checking into all the people who are pulling their children out of school and are claiming that they are home schooling them? Yes, there are a few people who follow a good curriculum and do a great job with home schooling, so I am not worried about them.I do worry about the trend going on with a certain group in a certain area that claim to be home schooling when they are not capable of teaching any child. It is so unfair to be able to just take away their child's chance to get an education.They do not encourage their children to value an education or set goals for their future.All these parents seem to want for their children is to grow up to be lazy, and look for free handouts.This is one reason we have so many people in KY who have no job skills.I know several of these home schooled kids and all they do is sleep, watch TV, or play all day.They are not being educated!
I have worked in AND with the public school system in 4 different states. I have also homeschooled my children during a few intervals. I have seen terrible parents who send their kids to public schools and I have seen terrible parents who homeschool. One of my questions on your posts is what makes a curriculum "good" in your eyes? Many public school assignments include watching TV, and we did use PBS quite a bit to reinforce what we taught in homeschool in the science area. As long as certain topics were covered in homeschool, there is not a set "curriculum" requirement. IMO Saxon math beats the everyday math that is used in the Madison County schools I have dealt with. There are many reasons to homeschool, and often kids learn in about 3 hours what public school takes all day to teach. There was a time when my kids spent their days at the pool or on the farm in their grandparents care while I worked, and I homeschooled them in the evening. Things are not always as they appear. All children must be educated and those who homeschool are still watched by the dept. of education. Often it is a better option for special needs kids and those with PTSD, at least on a temporary basis. Often it is better when a parent is in a position where they have to move more than once during a school year too. Just like everything else, there are political parties pulling on different sides of this issue, so if you feel that strongly about it, vote for the party that supports your opinion.
Take Back the Night

Lexington, KY

#9 Aug 9, 2010
IMO wrote:
And yea I know my grammar and spelling is bad, after all I learned everything from the puplic school system.
One of the blessings of homeschool is that you can teach the courses you excell in and use a curriculum or a homeschool group for the subjects you are weak in. I applaud your choice, most mothers know what is the best for their children and it is not always the same as what all their peers choose.
Masters Degree

United States

#10 Aug 9, 2010
Wow.... I did not realize that so many people were fooled by home schooling. I can tell you this for a fact. I have been in human resources for many years and can assure you that when people apply for a position with our firm, the minute we realize that they were home schooled, they leave and the resume is tossed into the trash.

There are many things one receives from school above and beyond the educational benefits.

Social Interaction: People that have been home schooled are just socially inept. They make the entire environment uneasy. It creates individuals that are unable to handle even the simplest problems outside their environment.

Suffice it to say that home schooled people have the difficulty later in life regardless what their uneducated and clannish parents thought before they ruined the lives of their children.

As for getting in a good college. Well now, who do you think you are kidding.

The best thing that could happen is the state remove any child not attending public school from the abusive environment its parents have it in. Children are the most precious resource and do not deserve to be mistreated by anyone. And attempting to home school, especially when the home schooling parents lack the education needed to make any decisions, much less one as important as educating a child.
Pundit

United States

#11 Aug 9, 2010
IMO wrote:
And yea I know my grammar and spelling is bad, after all I learned everything from the puplic school system.

One gets what one puts effort into. Firstly you seem to be able to communicate, so thank your teacher.

But the fact that you failed in school could be linked too you just being from poor stock. Was either you mother or father of low self esteem and not very intellegent? This could lead to someone being unable to grasp the informationin school.

Were you by chance abused? Did uncle roy or whoever visit you in the night? Another valid reason for maybe being a slo-poke.

But the good news it is never too late to learn. Go buy yourself a Dick and Jane book and start reading it every evening.

Allow me to get you started.

See Dick! Dick speaks to Jane about the show. She says she wants to go.

There, now you're off and running.
Take Back the Night

Berea, KY

#12 Aug 9, 2010
Masters Degree wrote:
Wow.... I did not realize that so many people were fooled by home schooling. I can tell you this for a fact. I have been in human resources for many years and can assure you that when people apply for a position with our firm, the minute we realize that they were home schooled, they leave and the resume is tossed into the trash.
There are many things one receives from school above and beyond the educational benefits.
Social Interaction: People that have been home schooled are just socially inept. They make the entire environment uneasy. It creates individuals that are unable to handle even the simplest problems outside their environment.
Suffice it to say that home schooled people have the difficulty later in life regardless what their uneducated and clannish parents thought before they ruined the lives of their children.
As for getting in a good college. Well now, who do you think you are kidding.
The best thing that could happen is the state remove any child not attending public school from the abusive environment its parents have it in. Children are the most precious resource and do not deserve to be mistreated by anyone. And attempting to home school, especially when the home schooling parents lack the education needed to make any decisions, much less one as important as educating a child.
Tell that to the three I know that are in Harvard, and the two in Berea who scored a 28 or higher on the ACT, or the several who currently attend Madison Southern for their high school ONLY...who were homeschooled all their life and are now in honors classes. Perhaps if you were homeschooled you might have a PHD instead of a masters. A good teacher is only a part of learning, a willingness and ability to learn play a role as well. Currently most colleges are interested in the ACT score and could care less where one was schooled. Your firm may just be missing the boat.
Take Back the Night

Berea, KY

#13 Aug 9, 2010
Advocacy for homeschoolers

with the local attitude, I thought I would put this up for those in need.

http://www.hslda.org/Default.asp...
IMO

Nicholasville, KY

#14 Aug 9, 2010
Please do research before showing your ignorance!

Top ivy league university is more likely to accecept someone who is homeschooled, in fact there are more homschooled kids who go to ivy league schools then their are public schools kids. I am not counting private schooled kids.

Not hiring someone who homeschooled just shows you ignorance and just encourage us homeschooling parents we are doing the right thing.
excuses

Berea, KY

#15 Aug 9, 2010
Masters Degree wrote:
Wow.... I did not realize that so many people were fooled by home schooling. I can tell you this for a fact. I have been in human resources for many years and can assure you that when people apply for a position with our firm, the minute we realize that they were home schooled, they leave and the resume is tossed into the trash.
There are many things one receives from school above and beyond the educational benefits.
Social Interaction: People that have been home schooled are just socially inept. They make the entire environment uneasy. It creates individuals that are unable to handle even the simplest problems outside their environment.
Suffice it to say that home schooled people have the difficulty later in life regardless what their uneducated and clannish parents thought before they ruined the lives of their children.
As for getting in a good college. Well now, who do you think you are kidding.
The best thing that could happen is the state remove any child not attending public school from the abusive environment its parents have it in. Children are the most precious resource and do not deserve to be mistreated by anyone. And attempting to home school, especially when the home schooling parents lack the education needed to make any decisions, much less one as important as educating a child.
In my experience there is kids who go through a legit homeschool program are better in every way. Social skills is an old worn out criticism of homeschooling I know of children who go on field trips often with other children their age. If you watch the Duggar family on TLC you can clearly see how much better they are educated than many public school children. I love teachers but their hands are tied. They cant discipline the children even if they are attacked, they cant teach their own way and they are unfairly blamed for low scores.

I for one dont want my children in a class full of children who dont want to learn and teachers that cant discipline them. Parents have gotten lazy and they do not care what their kids do as long as they are out of their hair. One on one teaching is much better than 30 to 1. Homeschooling is the better way!
homeschooler

Berea, KY

#16 Aug 10, 2010
some kids are homeschooled for medical reasons. we have 2 children homeschooled by doctors orders. Their health was being damaged by going to school. A person with a college education and degree is teaching them. I know they re learning. I know also some children are pulled out of school and never see a book again. Pray for our children that they get an education they need and god is included.
pendergast

Winchester, KY

#17 Aug 10, 2010
IMO wrote:
Please do research before showing your ignorance!
Top ivy league university is more likely to accecept someone who is homeschooled, in fact there are more homschooled kids who go to ivy league schools then their are public schools kids. I am not counting private schooled kids.
Not hiring someone who homeschooled just shows you ignorance and just encourage us homeschooling parents we are doing the right thing.
the ivy league "statistics" you allude to seem a little suspect to me. in 2010 princeton had 5 homeschooled students in the freshman class, while harvard had 3. i suppose that means princeton had four or less public schooled students and harvard only 1 or 2. possible i suppose, but doubtful. source is the harvard and princeton admissons office class demographics, which are available online.
pendergast

Winchester, KY

#18 Aug 10, 2010
and this from the ny times, dec. 17, 2008: "We see only a few homeschooled applicants, and we do occasionally admit a homeschooled student. Evaluation is usually difficult, however. It helps if the applicant has taken some college level courses, and we can get evaluations from those teachers. We are not keen on homeschooled students where the only evaluations come from parents and the only other information available consists of test scores."
--Jeff Brenzel, Dean of Undergraduate Admissions, Yale University
it's great to be proud of your homeschooled students and the job you did homeschooling them, but it's great to be realistic too.
buffy

United States

#19 Aug 10, 2010
lol
concerned citizen

Lexington, KY

#20 Aug 10, 2010
I am sure that some children do get good homeschooling and go on to college and/or are able to find good jobs and become productive citizens.My concern is for all the innocent children who are being pulled out of school and their parents did not even make it through high school or if they did they were at the bottom of their class-D or F students, and yet it is these kind of parents who think they are qualified to teach their children!Most college educated people that I know would not attempt to teach their own children through middle and high school.Also you never hear many of these parents put any value to getting a good education.
realistic home schooler

Lexington, KY

#21 Aug 10, 2010
pendergast wrote:
and this from the ny times, dec. 17, 2008: "We see only a few homeschooled applicants, and we do occasionally admit a homeschooled student. Evaluation is usually difficult, however. It helps if the applicant has taken some college level courses, and we can get evaluations from those teachers. We are not keen on homeschooled students where the only evaluations come from parents and the only other information available consists of test scores."
--Jeff Brenzel, Dean of Undergraduate Admissions, Yale University
it's great to be proud of your homeschooled students and the job you did homeschooling them, but it's great to be realistic too.
Here is a quote for ya "Marlyn McGrath Lewis, Director of Admissions for Harvard College says "We receive a good number of candidates every year with all or part of their education from a homeschool background. Homeschooling is broader than some people realize. We are looking for the strongest candidates in the world and we find some of those among homeschoolers."
Harvard University uses the same requirements for homeschoolers and traditional students. Harvard requires applicants to submit the results of either the SAT I or ACT standardized test and the results of three SAT II Subject Tests, which applicants may take in different subjects to demonstrate a mixture of academic interests." taken from http://www.homeschool.com/articles/College05/...
and at the link below is an article on a homeschooled child who will experience her first classroom at Harvard http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/201...
Here is Princeton's tips for homeschoolers who want to attend.
http://www.princeton.edu/admission/applyingfo...
HSM

Berea, KY

#23 Aug 11, 2010
We personally homeschool because our children are not wardens of the state - they are OUR children. It is up to the parents to make sure that children are being raised and educated in the way that is under the authority of the parents. I want to have a say so in WHAT my chldren are learning and WHO they are learning it from. God didn't bless us to have children just for someone else (strangers usually) to spend 8+ hours each day educating them.....that is OUR jobs! Having a degree from a liberal college/university does not make someone qualified to teach.

As far as the social argument, I would much rather my children not act like majority of children in public schools. Only because they come from homes that don't care how they act. That to me is very sad. Your chldren are YOUR responsibility!!!

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