Jim Muir and Orders of Protection

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Harmonica

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Jan 29, 2007
 
I noticed Jim Muir is writing a series in the Southern Illinoisan about orders of protection. I guess he would know all about them. I can't believe they have him writing this story.

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Jan 29, 2007
 
Dont know is this is true, but i have heard that he had one against him at one time.

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Jan 29, 2007
 
Yep, sure did. Looked it up at Jucici.com .

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Jan 29, 2007
 
judici.com .........sry

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Jan 29, 2007
 
It's easy to get file and order of protection against someone, even if they aren't really guilty, I've seen it done many times! Don't be so judgemental people!

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Jan 29, 2007
 
oops I meant file an order of protection

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Jan 30, 2007
 
Harmonica wrote:
I noticed Jim Muir is writing a series in the Southern Illinoisan about orders of protection. I guess he would know all about them. I can't believe they have him writing this story.
Someone who has unjustly been on the wrong end of an order of protection is the perfect source for a piece such as this.

Blessed in Benton is right, it is foolish to judge someone based on this.

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Jan 30, 2007
 
I too have seen this happen. There is always another side to the story. Many women do it for spite and the OP is unjustified.
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Jan 30, 2007
 
I'm just glad that the whole topic of abuse and OP's etc is being brought out into the light of day. It is long overdue.

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Jan 30, 2007
 

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I'm just glad that the whole topic of abuse and OP's etc is being brought out into the light of day. It is long overdue.
I agree! More times than not they are for real and need to be taken seriously. In the case of Mr. Muir, i dont know him or anything about him, but there was one against him on public record. I know that sometimes they are done for spite by the accuser, but you never know for sure what goes on behind closed doors. Why take the chance in light of what happened in Zeigler.

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Jan 30, 2007
 
why that posted twice, I have no idea!
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Northwest Benton wrote:
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Someone who has unjustly been on the wrong end of an order of protection is the perfect source for a piece such as this.
Blessed in Benton is right, it is foolish to judge someone based on this.
It isn't apparent that Muir was "on the wrong end of an order of protection." His first wife has something to say about that and only she and Muir know whether it is foolish to judge him (as a man) based on that fact. It is not, however, foolish to judge him as a reporter for tackling a story where he has a bias that he does not disclose in his story. In that sense, whether the OP was justified or not, he is not the "perfect source for a piece such as this" even if he later discloses in this series that he was the subject of an order of protection, which he hasn't done and which I doubt he will do. Muir is all about pretending to be something he is not. Even if he discloses that he was the subject of an OP, you'd have to question his impatiality on the subject of Orders of Protection--either he was guilty of the allegations in the OP or he wasn't. Either way, his perspective on OP's is going to be skewered by his experience with them. Basic journalistic ethics dictate that you do not report on a story where your impartiality can be questioned, unless you reveal to the reader the facts that give rise to the potential conflict.

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Jan 30, 2007
 
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It isn't apparent that Muir was "on the wrong end of an order of protection." His first wife has something to say about that and only she and Muir know whether it is foolish to judge him (as a man) based on that fact. It is not, however, foolish to judge him as a reporter for tackling a story where he has a bias that he does not disclose in his story. In that sense, whether the OP was justified or not, he is not the "perfect source for a piece such as this" even if he later discloses in this series that he was the subject of an order of protection, which he hasn't done and which I doubt he will do. Muir is all about pretending to be something he is not. Even if he discloses that he was the subject of an OP, you'd have to question his impatiality on the subject of Orders of Protection--either he was guilty of the allegations in the OP or he wasn't. Either way, his perspective on OP's is going to be skewered by his experience with them. Basic journalistic ethics dictate that you do not report on a story where your impartiality can be questioned, unless you reveal to the reader the facts that give rise to the potential conflict.
I'm not foolish enough to believe that ANY human being is completely impartial about ANYTHING. You're cowardly slam at Muir indicates that YOUR perspective is "skewered" on this topic. Jim hides nothing about his humble beginnings, mistakes he has made, and the fact that he is lucky to have a second chance in his professional life. He is the perfect source for this interesting series.
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Jan 30, 2007
 
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I'm not foolish enough to believe that ANY human being is completely impartial about ANYTHING. You're cowardly slam at Muir indicates that YOUR perspective is "skewered" on this topic. Jim hides nothing about his humble beginnings, mistakes he has made, and the fact that he is lucky to have a second chance in his professional life. He is the perfect source for this interesting series.
I didn't say that any human being is completely impartial. You have your biases, I have mine. But what those biases are becomes real relevant if you are a reporter--especially if you are reporting on a subject where you're own experiences could be potentially embarrasing if your readership knew about them. Muir's "humble beginnings" and "mistakes he has made" are subjects he trumpets every chance he gets whenever it suits his purposes. Somehow, he has forgotten to tell us in this series on OP's that he was the subject of one. So, contrary to your assertion, Muir is hiding something (so far) in this series on OP's. He is certainly not telling us "everything" as he tends to do when "everything" makes him look good. I hope he corrects that in later installments, but I won't be holdng my breath. I bet his editor doesn't know he was the subject of an OP because a responsible editor would either make him disclose that fact in the article or would assign the story to someone else. Neither has happened here. Sorry I stepped on your Jim Muir adoration nerve, but my criticism of Muir is neither cowardly nor misplaced. My criticism is based on the ethical standards that have been established for journalists and so far Muir is violating those standards in this series on OP's.

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Jan 31, 2007
 
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Muir is all about pretending to be something he is not.
Really? Then what IS he? Do tell.

As far as having a "Jim Muir adoration nerve" you couldn't be farther off base. I was once the subject of an attack on his radio show. I felt ambushed and still think he was wrong in how he handled the issue. But, that doesn't change the fact that he is a gifted writer and sifts through the B.S. better than most life-long reporters. I realize many envious "journalists" resent him and might think he hasn't paid his dues which leads them to being hypercritical of anything he writes.

Have you read the piece on O.P.'s? Seems pretty objective to me..........
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Jan 31, 2007
 
Muir often takes the position in his articles and op/eds that he possesses a degree of spirit and character that seperates him from others. This latest article on OP's is an example of that. He pretends to be an objective reporter on the OP process without revealing that he himself was the subject of one. He may later remedy that omission and I hope he does. If he was the victim of the OP process, that would be a valuable contribution to the discussion of OP's. But I'm betting he doesn't. Jim only likes to explore his own history where he can portray himself as the hero. If he reveals that he was the subject of an OP, that could potentially spark a debate where it may turn out that facts emerge where he wasn't quite so heroic. As for whether or not his piece on OP's is objective? I don't know yet. I thought this first article was a puff piece on OP's. I thought he was perhaps over-compensating and creditinng the OP process more than was deserved because he potentially had his own experience with them in his mind and was afraid they'd come to light if he raised the legitimate criticisms that can be leveled against OP's. There are supposedly more installments to come and, as I said, one of those installments may (should) be an article on his own experiences with the OP system. Even then, it would be better to have another reporter covering this because his ex-wife may be reluctant to talk to him about those experiences for understandable reasons. The bottom line is journalistic ethics require you to avoid a story where there is the possibility of a perceived bias. I don't know if you've ever been through a messy divorce or not, as Muir's appears to have been, but if you had, would you want your ex-wife covering that story for the local paper or would you want someone else to investigate and write the story?

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Feb 1, 2007
 
I appreciate your frank answer.
If I were the ex-wife, I would certainly rather he NOT mention the personal experience with the O.P. I'm willing to let the series play out and see how it goes. In my opinion, there was obsolutely nothing unethical about the first piece.

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Feb 1, 2007
 
Blessed in Benton wrote:
It's easy to get file and order of protection against someone, even if they aren't really guilty, I've seen it done many times! Don't be so judgemental people!
yes i agree i ahve seen this happen also....almost had that happen to me once and sometimes its unfair...

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Feb 1, 2007
 
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Feb 5, 2007
 
I'm surprised Muir thinks he can get away with writing an article on Orders of Protection without people talking about the fact that he was hit with one. That was pretty commonly known when I was in Franklin County. I agree with those who say he shouldn't be trying to hide this if he is going to get up on a soapbox about Orders of Protection. I don't know if what was said about him by his ex-wife was true or not but it kind of makes you wonder if he tries to hide it.

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