Toj

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#80362 Feb 15, 2013
RACE wrote:
I dont get a lot of what you wrote.
NOBODY owns the damm word! That is stupidity talking.
To say that by blacks using the word is to take the bad connotations out of it??? TOTAL BS! They have been using that word for generations, but the connotation is still there every time a white person says it, to obviously that plan aint working!
And your idiot challenge is the same as sams! since you want to deny me the right to use the word, but cant, you will just encourage and support other people to beat me up when I do. How very civilized of you toj, you can get off your high horse now you hypocrite.
How about I invite you to my hood and start rapping about raping white women and killing the white man, and see how long you go unbloodied. Cause yanno nobody can control anothers actions and stuff and free speech, while free is not always a wise thing to excercise, and bla bla bla.
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Rage much?

I never, ever said you could not say it. As a matter of fact, I said go ahead and say it and was giving examples of places where you might not feel comfortable saying what you feel you have every right to say. I actually am saying, "Go ahead". Sory if you didn't get that.

I was giving my opinion of how it is perceived. Do you understand perception and the effect words can have on people's perception?

As for going to "your hood", why would I say about raping women? I would never say that nor agree to anyone saying that.

You're sounding like edog right now. I am not denying you any rights at all.

I'm trying to give you insight about how people may perceive you when you say certain words in certain places.

To pretend words do not have power is not genuine in my view.

Do you say that words have no power said in certain settings and certain places?

Toj

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#80363 Feb 15, 2013
Sam I Am wrote:
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Wow.
I know, right? Rage in full force. I don't understand the anger in discussing something like this. I just don't get the anger in the words. But whatever. I have to laugh at ragey people b/c they are not on the earth at that moment. They're letting anger color their words.

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Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#80364 Feb 15, 2013
And with all that said, I am done with this conversation for now.

If you think me a racist, so be it. Your wrong, but it's your right to think what you like. I have had this argument in the past and it always boils down to the same stupid idea that you cant say anything that has any possible negative connotation about a black person, because if you do you're a racist.

I thing obamma looks similar to curious george
That does not mean I am a racist.

I dont think blacks should be offended by me using the N word if they themselves use it.
That does not make me a racist.

I think everyone, no matter what color their skin should be required to keep their pants up to their waist.
That does not make me a racist.

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Since: Feb 09

Neda, stay with me!

#80365 Feb 15, 2013
(since you asked)
OH, gee, thanks toj, I have absolutely no idea how my acts may be percieved, I must be as dumb as you cause I need you to tell me how other people will react.
Your entire post is one of sensless self justification all the wile trying to dress me down.

Pathetic.
Toj wrote:
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Rage much?
I never, ever said you could not say it. As a matter of fact, I said go ahead and say it and was giving examples of places where you might not feel comfortable saying what you feel you have every right to say. I actually am saying, "Go ahead". Sory if you didn't get that.
I was giving my opinion of how it is perceived. Do you understand perception and the effect words can have on people's perception?
As for going to "your hood", why would I say about raping women? I would never say that nor agree to anyone saying that.
You're sounding like edog right now. I am not denying you any rights at all.
I'm trying to give you insight about how people may perceive you when you say certain words in certain places.
To pretend words do not have power is not genuine in my view.
Do you say that words have no power said in certain settings and certain places?

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#80366 Feb 15, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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The right to not be fired based on sexual orientation.
The right to not be evicted based on sexual orientation.
In 30 states, it is legal to discriminate based on sexual orientation.
Married couples have over 500 financial and legal benefits in the state of Minnesota that unmarried couples do not. So denying a gay couple the right to marry is unfair, because they are being denied those benefits.
Number one, people are not getting fired and evicted for being gay. Not sure where you're getting your news from. Number two, nobody has a "right" to an apartment, nobody has a "right" to a job, and nobody has a "right" to marry.

Toj

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#80367 Feb 15, 2013
RACE wrote:
I honestly dont know why you are personally attacking me about this! I am discussing what I believe to be a bias in our society, but apparently it is such a protected "hands off" subject that to even admit this bias exists is blasphemy.
I would not say to to squish, or her husband or her children, Why would I want to? The perceive racial implication aside, I have no cause to use the word. You may well challenge me to say the word "death" or "pornography" or "rape" or "molestation"
All of these are charged words, and I could say them if I wanted to, but I am not going to just to prove a point.
You all need to start admitting that a free society means that that, and unfortunately it chaffs sometimes. The N word had a long history and saying that only blacks can use it is just stupid. tolerating blacks who say it among themselves, saying it empowers them, and takes the sting out of the word is BS and it aint working as the conversations here so pointedly prove, so they need to come up with something else.
If blacks find the word so offensive then maybe they should do the exact opposite of what they are now, and insist that blacks NEVER use that disgusting "white" word in conversation with each other, that seems to me a better approach to take. It means taking the high road, it means your telling everyone else you find the word offensive while others may say it to us, we will never use it amongst ourselves. But hey, then they lose the right to use the word, dont they?
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I've never had a black person use "white people" in a conversation to me other than pointing out the one white person among different races when trying to identify someone or in a context where we were talking about the different viewpoints of people generally and our thoughts. Always used respectfully. I've never had a black person I know call me "cracker" which would be more akin to the n-word I suppose but not quite.

Again in my view.

Who is telling you that you cannot use the words? I don't read anywhere here anyone telling you that you cannot use it except in the context of not using it if you don't want a bad reaction.

Are you saying you want to control other people's reactions to certain words? Because you can't. You can't control other people's reactions, including your weird reaction to this discussion.

If you want to change people's reactions, that's a whole 'nother ballgame.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#80368 Feb 15, 2013
RedheadwGlasses wrote:
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Really? "You can take the brother out of the ghetto..."?
Sure it's not for saying Obungo looks like Curious George? Good to know you're the authority on what makes a racist. And a homophobe.

Toj

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#80369 Feb 15, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Number one, people are not getting fired and evicted for being gay. Not sure where you're getting your news from. Number two, nobody has a "right" to an apartment, nobody has a "right" to a job, and nobody has a "right" to marry.
I believe we're talking law and not necessarily a right. However, a right to pursue happiness might come into play here.

“The two baby belly, please!”

Since: Sep 09

Evanston IL

#80370 Feb 15, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>I think you'd like scallops. I like clams in chowder or fried, and oysters, but I'm with you on the rest of them. I don't really dislike the taste of the calamari I've tried at our favourite place, but the texture ruins it for me. I've tried it other places and at those both the taste and texture were yuck.
There was a whole This American Life about the supposed urban myth that lots of what is served as fried calamri in restaurants is actually pork bung.

They actually got some, fried it up and did a blind taste test with some calamri lovers and they could not tell the difference.

I never ate calamri before - I think cephalapods rock and can't bring myself to eat one - but if I had, I never would again.
Sam I Am

Cedar Grove, TN

#80371 Feb 15, 2013
RACE wrote:
No stupid their "groups" like irish and english
Try to keep up.
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You: "For a skinny person to use [fat] is racist...."

Nice attempt at backtracking. You do realize that your prior posts are still there, right?

Toj

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#80372 Feb 15, 2013
RACE wrote:
(since you asked)
OH, gee, thanks toj, I have absolutely no idea how my acts may be percieved, I must be as dumb as you cause I need you to tell me how other people will react.
Your entire post is one of sensless self justification all the wile trying to dress me down.
Pathetic.
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No, I was furthering the discussion and did not call you names. I wasn't dressing you down but it's interesting that you thought I was and more insight into your thinking. I was explaining my point of view. Do you always call people names when you have nothing to further the discussion? You seem to do that a lot with Sam so I'm wondering if this is a general thing with you.

I think this is interesting and something I might bring to my next get together with my gf's --
http://www.biospace.com/News/do-you-really-kn...
Sam I Am

Cedar Grove, TN

#80373 Feb 15, 2013
Toj wrote:
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I know, right? Rage in full force. I don't understand the anger in discussing something like this. I just don't get the anger in the words. But whatever. I have to laugh at ragey people b/c they are not on the earth at that moment. They're letting anger color their words.
Having your shortcomings as a person pointed out would be frustrating for anyone, especially when you can't defend them. And lashing out is easier than reason.

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#80374 Feb 15, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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I don't think "racism" has anything to do with it.(How many racist children do you know?) People and words were just a lot less sensitive back then.
???
She said at school it was "tiger", everywhere else she heard it as "ni__er". That's not about school just school kids, but whoever else she was around when she was not at school. So you're saying back in the good old days, people were not so sensitive and you could toss around the N-word more freely and it was ok? And you wonder why people think ou'rea racist.
Sam I Am

Cedar Grove, TN

#80375 Feb 15, 2013
RACE wrote:
(since you asked)
OH, gee, thanks toj, I have absolutely no idea how my acts may be percieved, I must be as dumb as you cause I need you to tell me how other people will react.
Your entire post is one of sensless self justification all the wile trying to dress me down.
Pathetic.
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You're dressing yourself down.

“What's it to ya?”

Since: Mar 09

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#80376 Feb 15, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Show me an ape that invented something, composed music, can do math, speak a language, and I'll agree with you. Monkeys and apes are no more intelligent than a house-hold dog.
And I'll remind you that you (or science) still can't empirically prove what exactly homosapiens evolved from.
So there.
TSTI

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#80377 Feb 15, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Show me an ape that invented something, composed music, can do math, speak a language, and I'll agree with you. Monkeys and apes are no more intelligent than a house-hold dog.
And I'll remind you that you (or science) still can't empirically prove what exactly homosapiens evolved from.
So there.
n ape invented the light bulb, phonograph, and movie camera.
An ape invented the printing press.
An ape invented the computer.
An ape invented the telephone.
An ape composed "In the Hall of the Mountain King"
An ape wrote "King Lear"
etc., etc., etc.

FOR THE RECORD, it's "Homo sapiens" just like that, genus capitalized, species not capitalized, TWO words, and it should be italic, but I can't do that here.

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#80378 Feb 15, 2013
Sgt__Smith wrote:
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Probably not. a scallop is a bivalve, like mussels and cockles, so if you don't like them, you probably wouldn't like scallops either. Whether you like any of them depends a lot on how they are prepared though, so you may want to try anyhow, at a good restaurant.
Thank you. I kind of figured they would be similar to other bivalves, hence my reluctance to even try them. I might wait until someone else (like my niece or sister...not just some random person) orders them and then ask for a bite (before anyone eats anything of course)...just to try it.

Toj

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#80379 Feb 15, 2013
edogxxx wrote:
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Number one, people are not getting fired and evicted for being gay. Not sure where you're getting your news from. Number two, nobody has a "right" to an apartment, nobody has a "right" to a job, and nobody has a "right" to marry.
Number one -- down. https://www.friendfactor.org/in-29-states-hou...

Sometimes it's not about rights directly taken from the Constitution but what the laws are and what is fair in the general view. Sorta like traffic laws -- it's not discussed in the Constitution nor do you have a right to drive a car. This isn't a political thread (or isn't suppose to be) but what certain people's view are and how they are perceived IMNSHO.

Toj

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#80380 Feb 15, 2013
Mimi Seattle wrote:
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Thank you. I kind of figured they would be similar to other bivalves, hence my reluctance to even try them. I might wait until someone else (like my niece or sister...not just some random person) orders them and then ask for a bite (before anyone eats anything of course)...just to try it.
If you lived close I would so take you out to dinner so you could try it. If you didn't like it I would finish your plate! I would hope you didn't like them, but you would.

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#80381 Feb 15, 2013
PEllen wrote:
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This is to you but for Mimi as the subjet matter expert.
Does the mitochondrial dna work address his question or is the validity of that onfoned to a particular species?
I'm not sure what your question is. Edog didn't really have a question, but mitochondrial DNA helps us to connect the dots, but you have to keep in mind that it's only traceable along the X chromosome, so that leaves out the XY people all together.

After about 50,000 years, DNA becomes pretty much unsealable unless it's been in stasis in some kind of well controlled environment (hence no Jurassic Park). This is why in the Homo line we pretty much can only use H. sapiens, H. neanderthalensis, H. denisovan, and H. florensis right now to trace the human lineage. The same applies to other apes both extant and extinct, there is a 50,000 year limit on DNA...IF it can be extracted.

Also, I'm not a biologist/geneticist, so this is really not my main area of research. I just know *some* stuff.

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