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Since: Dec 08

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#67912 May 31, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
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Yes, my parents did volunteer while I was growing up. Now that their kids are out of the house, my Dad is on the board of the YMCA in town and my Mom is on the Literacy Council and very involved in Rotary Club.
It is important to me that I lead by example for my boys, like my parents did and continue to do for me.
Volunteering was not something that was modeled in my upbringing, therefore it is unimportant to me.

Since: Jan 10

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#67913 May 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Volunteering was not something that was modeled in my upbringing, therefore it is unimportant to me.
It wasn't modeled to me, either (other than one aunt who's very much a giver that way), but it is important to me. But my time is even more important, so I will volunteer for things that have personal meaning to me, not babysit some 7yos on a hike through the woods.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#67914 May 31, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
It's not a big deal, because I'd probably take off that week anyway. I don't like to work from Christmas to New Years.
Other than being sick, I don't take multiple days in a row off ever unless Ihave a trip out of town planned. So the week from xmas to new years, if I was going to just be around the house, I'd not voluntarily take that time off.

If I was in your situation, I would just change the way I view things. To my way of thinking, you don't have 4 weeks of vacation. YOu have 3 weeks of vacation, but you have more company holidays. Cause to me, if the office is closed, that's a company holiday. Vacation is time that I get to use at MY discretion.

Actually, I'm curious as to why your company does not already categorize it as such. At my previous company, we did not get the day after thanksgiving off. At this one we do. The company is closed. It's considered a company holiday. Is there some financial benefit to the company for calling it vacation, but then mandating that you take it off during that week?

Since: Jun 09

Madison, WI

#67915 May 31, 2012
I'm glad the 1st circuit ruled this way:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/31/us/massachusett...

Obviously I have some bias since I support gay marriage, but I think it's absurd for the Federal gov't to be able to take the position that marriage laws belong to the state at the same time it tries to decide which states' definition of marriage it finds acceptable for Federal purposes. If a state recognizes a marriage, then the Federal gov't should have no place to deny it.

The Republicans fighting this are so hypocritical.
Stina

Saint Petersburg, FL

#67916 May 31, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
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The 5th graders here go to Philly for a tour of historical sites. I can't wait for that one!
I think we do Epcot next year. I forget what the year after that is. Middle School is Washington DC.

Since: Aug 08

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#67917 May 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Other than being sick, I don't take multiple days in a row off ever unless Ihave a trip out of town planned. So the week from xmas to new years, if I was going to just be around the house, I'd not voluntarily take that time off.
If I was in your situation, I would just change the way I view things. To my way of thinking, you don't have 4 weeks of vacation. YOu have 3 weeks of vacation, but you have more company holidays. Cause to me, if the office is closed, that's a company holiday. Vacation is time that I get to use at MY discretion.
Actually, I'm curious as to why your company does not already categorize it as such. At my previous company, we did not get the day after thanksgiving off. At this one we do. The company is closed. It's considered a company holiday. Is there some financial benefit to the company for calling it vacation, but then mandating that you take it off during that week?
I think they do it that way, because they have a company wide policy for the number of vacation days you receive (although my boss intervened on my behalf and made them give me more than 2 weeks ... they wanted to do the same to him when he started and he told them no way).

However, they don't have a company wide policy for holidays. So not every part of organization has to take Good Friday off, for example. Not every part of the organization has to take the week of Christmas off.

Some parts of the organization have to take Martin Luther King off too, and I donít. Other parts have to take off the week of Thanksgiving. Those who work in HR don't have any mandatory days they must take off.

Since: Aug 08

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#67918 May 31, 2012
cycle003 wrote:
I'm glad the 1st circuit ruled this way:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/31/us/massachusett...
Obviously I have some bias since I support gay marriage, but I think it's absurd for the Federal gov't to be able to take the position that marriage laws belong to the state at the same time it tries to decide which states' definition of marriage it finds acceptable for Federal purposes. If a state recognizes a marriage, then the Federal gov't should have no place to deny it.
The Republicans fighting this are so hypocritical.
I don't agree with the underlying law, but I'm not so sure the federal government should have no say. I didn't look at the case very closely and just briefly saw an article, but doesn't this concern federal benefits? If the federal government has to pay these benefits, I don't see why it shouldn't have no say.

What if the state says that pologamy is legal and one dude dies and has 6 wives. Are you telling me the federal government has no choice but to pay all these widows and has no right to deny them benefits? I'm not so sure about that.

Since: Jun 09

Madison, WI

#67919 May 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Other than being sick, I don't take multiple days in a row off ever unless Ihave a trip out of town planned. So the week from xmas to new years, if I was going to just be around the house, I'd not voluntarily take that time off.
If I was in your situation, I would just change the way I view things. To my way of thinking, you don't have 4 weeks of vacation. YOu have 3 weeks of vacation, but you have more company holidays. Cause to me, if the office is closed, that's a company holiday. Vacation is time that I get to use at MY discretion.
Actually, I'm curious as to why your company does not already categorize it as such. At my previous company, we did not get the day after thanksgiving off. At this one we do. The company is closed. It's considered a company holiday. Is there some financial benefit to the company for calling it vacation, but then mandating that you take it off during that week?
Really? You only take off multiple days if you are traveling? Do you usually travel for the holidays? Seems a little strange to me. Do you think this will change once the kids get into school and have all those days off around the holidays, or are you going to find care for them?

I can't speak for Sub's company, but I think a lot of companies do things this way for a number of reasons. For one, large companies will have different regional and/or specific location needs/expectations. Official holidays are often set by corporate policy, so one location may not be able to get special permission. Another reason is that companies often treat some types of employees differently. While Sub gets 1,000 days a year off ;p, I suspect some of the lower-ranking employees don't get nearly as much time off. Companies don't want to pay hourly employees any more than they have to. They might only pay them when they work and on holidays (ie, they may not even get paid vacation), so calling Christmas week shut-down a holiday would cost more. I guess I've just seen companies treating such employees pretty bad, so I'm kinda cynical. Executives, management and lawyers don't get treated as bad, so they say "Hey, we'll give you 29 days of vacation, but you might have to use some of those for shutdown"

Since: Jun 09

Madison, WI

#67920 May 31, 2012
Sublime1 wrote:
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I don't agree with the underlying law, but I'm not so sure the federal government should have no say. I didn't look at the case very closely and just briefly saw an article, but doesn't this concern federal benefits? If the federal government has to pay these benefits, I don't see why it shouldn't have no say.
What if the state says that pologamy is legal and one dude dies and has 6 wives. Are you telling me the federal government has no choice but to pay all these widows and has no right to deny them benefits? I'm not so sure about that.
That's exactly what I'm saying. IMO, by overriding the power owned by the state, the Fed gov't is overstepping its bounds. States' rights are becoming fewer and fewer, and even those rights that are retained by the state are effectively overturned by de facto Federal policies.

“I Am Mine”

Since: Dec 08

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#67921 May 31, 2012
cycle003 wrote:
Really? You only take off multiple days if you are traveling?
Pretty much, yes.
cycle003 wrote:
Do you usually travel for the holidays?
I do, but that is usually entails only taking the day after christmas off. We typically go to the parents. Xmas eve we drive out. Xmas day we celebrate. Day after, we drive back.

Sub said he's got the week off between xmas and new years. Up to now, I've never even considered doing such a thing. A week off is for a cruise, a ski trip, a week on a tropical island, etc. I've never taken a week off to stay in town.
cycle003 wrote:
Seems a little strange to me.
Seems pretty normal to me. Do you take a week of vacation to stay home?
cycle003 wrote:
Do you think this will change once the kids get into school and have all those days off around the holidays, or are you going to find care for them?
I imagine as life progresses, a lot will change due to the kids. I imagine we are going to have to plan any springtime vacation around their spring break. As for time off around christmas, we'd probably take turns. We've also discussed the possibility of non working grandma coming to get them and taking them to her place and then we get them back before xmas. We will play that by ear.

“reign in blood”

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#67922 May 31, 2012
cycle003 wrote:
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That's exactly what I'm saying. IMO, by overriding the power owned by the state, the Fed gov't is overstepping its bounds. States' rights are becoming fewer and fewer, and even those rights that are retained by the state are effectively overturned by de facto Federal policies.
Please, we've been over this, states do not get to act independently of the federal government. You seem to think that states should be able to do whatever they want and the federal government has no say. No, know your history, states do not get to pass laws that supercede the federal government. And Republicans are hypocritical? There's a laugh. How do you feel about the state of illinois superceding my federal right to bear arms?

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Schaumburg, IL

#67923 May 31, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
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Do you always do exactly the same thing with all three of your kids? Do you take them out separately based on their interests or say that you are doing X activity with your oldest and when the next turns that age you will take him to do that activity, just the two of you.
I'm not accusing here, just opening a new line of questioning up to everyone. My parents didn't do the same activities with all of us (like chaperone all our field trips just because they chaperoned for one of us), but we knew not to expect exact equal treatment. We still got fair treatment.
When we turned 16, my Dad took each of us on a business trip with him. I got to go to China. My brother went to Toronto (Dad wasn't working in China at that point). We have talked about it and he didn't feel short changed, but just took it as its own experience. My little bro declined his trip because he hates flying, but it was still offered to him.
wow! that must've been a neat experience - going on a trip, especialy China, with your dad! my dad was a "work is work, home is home" kind of employee. while i know that he did socialize outside of work with a couple guys, i don't think we ever went in to meet him for lunch, went to family events, etc. my mom was a SAHM, so she was active in whatever needed parents whenever they needed help. i don't really remember them doing X when we were 10, Y at 14, etc., or "well i did it for AS, so i need to do sometihng like that for Bro." we were both active in scouts, and my mom was acitive in both and dad was active w/ boy scouts.

But then, i could have not noticed and/or forgotten...

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Schaumburg, IL

#67924 May 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>WAit, your office is closed and you are reqquired to use vacation days on them? Granted its a nice problem to have, but that's like saying the office is closed on saturday & sunday, so we are going to charge you 2 vacation days.
hubby works for a company that has stores open 5 days a week. everyone gets teh same number of vacations days and a set of "floating holidays" regardless of if they wrok in a store or in "headquarters". Those who work for headquarters have to take one of their floating holidays for teh day after thanksgiving since hte stores are open and they don't have one set of rules for the stores and another for HQ. and the store workers can take their floating holiday for Octember 32nd if they want...

“It made sense at the time....”

Since: May 09

Schaumburg, IL

#67925 May 31, 2012
i get 15 vaca days, and 3 "optional days" that are for "celebratign or observing any holiday not already on the corporate calendar"... we get presidents day and all teh standard holidays, so the optional days are for MLK, Good Friday, Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Diwali, Ramadan services, etc. Or, for many of us, they're an extra 3 vacation days taht don't roll at the end of the year. THis is the first time i've been at a company long enough to get to 15 days (10 has been teh standard, or no work no pay), so i kinda don't know what to do with myself.... i managed ok last year on 10!

Since: Aug 08

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#67926 May 31, 2012
cycle003 wrote:
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That's exactly what I'm saying. IMO, by overriding the power owned by the state, the Fed gov't is overstepping its bounds. States' rights are becoming fewer and fewer, and even those rights that are retained by the state are effectively overturned by de facto Federal policies.
These are federal benefits that are paid with federal tax dollars. Since it concerns federal dollars, I don't think the federal government should have no say in such things. If these were state benefits, you'd be right.

If Utah makes polygamy legal and some guy has 6 wives and dies are you telling me the federal government has no choice but to give them all benefits?

“bELieve”

Since: Jun 09

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#67927 May 31, 2012
Aisle Sitter wrote:
<quoted text>wow! that must've been a neat experience - going on a trip, especialy China, with your dad! my dad was a "work is work, home is home" kind of employee. while i know that he did socialize outside of work with a couple guys, i don't think we ever went in to meet him for lunch, went to family events, etc. my mom was a SAHM, so she was active in whatever needed parents whenever they needed help. i don't really remember them doing X when we were 10, Y at 14, etc., or "well i did it for AS, so i need to do sometihng like that for Bro." we were both active in scouts, and my mom was acitive in both and dad was active w/ boy scouts.

But then, i could have not noticed and/or forgotten...
It was awesome! My dad and I have get along great and have many similar interests, including traveling. We also went to Vegas a couple months after I turned 21. He didn't do that with either of my brothers, but they do other things that I have no interest in.

About every other year, my parents give my middle bro and his wife a week in Hawaii as their anniversary/Christmas present. Bro covers the airfare (he travels a lot for work, so the flights are free) and my parents make it the same week as they go for their timeshare. As much as I like Hawaii, that would bore me. We go someplace different every year. This year we are meeting up with my parents in Williamsburg, which we did 4 years ago, but we have a mostly different itinerary.

Since: Aug 08

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#67928 May 31, 2012
cycle003 wrote:
<quoted text>While Sub gets 1,000 days a year off ;p, I suspect some of the lower-ranking employees don't get nearly as much time off. Companies don't want to pay hourly employees any more than they have to. They might only pay them when they work and on holidays (ie, they may not even get paid vacation), so calling Christmas week shut-down a holiday would cost more. I guess I've just seen companies treating such employees pretty bad, so I'm kinda cynical. Executives, management and lawyers don't get treated as bad, so they say "Hey, we'll give you 29 days of vacation, but you might have to use some of those for shutdown"
You can be in one of 3 categories. I'm in the top category and I also got 5 more days cause I was experienced. Even the lowest category new hire with no experience gets more than 3 weeks vacation. That's not too shabby, if you ask me.

I know your kidding, but I also put in my dues.

Coming out of graduate school, I got 2 weeks. I didn't make that much money either ... not even close to 6 figures. I was willing to do so, just to get experience, and I got thrown right in the fire, which I loved and was doing stuff that folks fresh out of school working at prestigious law firms making 3 times my salary don't do until at least 2 or 3 years into it, if not later. I was working with partners at big law firms, sitting in on meetings with them, and formulating litigation strategy as well as doing a lot of prosecution work. I didn't care about $$ so much at that point, I was just a f'ing sponge, soaking every thing up. I knew down the road it would pay dividends.

Heck, I offered to clerk at law firms for free when in school. I couldn't get ANYONE to give me a chance, at first, despite having really good grades. I think my second year I finally got a job clerking, but I only made $10 an hour. He was a sole practitioner, but when I graduated, he offered to let me join his firm with him and he had never offered that to anyone. It was too uncertain, in terms of what I would make and I would have to provide my own benefits. So, I took an in-house position instead, that offered certainty and benefits.

I was very hungry and driven. Now, I wouldn't say I'm not driven, but I've made it so to speak. I'm also seasoned. I'm almost ten years into this, not counting clerking. So, it's not so hard, as I know the ins and outs of it.

Like I said, I feel I've put in my dues.
Stina

Saint Petersburg, FL

#67929 May 31, 2012
I get 3 weeks vacation plus 6 days sick time. My last job I had like 6 weeks and when I started at this company (different job, though) they would give, as a rule, new hires whatever they had at their last job. I am mad at myself for not taking 4. I wouldn't take the 6 because that would put me past the very senior folks. Standard was 2, so I felt 3 was OK. I think I go up to 4 soon now, anyway.

Tonka - I was ALWAYS like you and pretty much still am. The only time I take more than one day at home now, though, is Christmas. It is painfully slow at work and, while I didn't care when my kid was younger, now it's extra time to spend with her since she is in school. And I get a few things done for the holidays also.

Other than that, I use them for "one-off things" and then real vacations.

This year, we are doing a longer than usual mom/daughter trip AND I am doing a trip with a friend of mine for 6 days (grown up girls trip).

Since: Feb 08

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#67930 May 31, 2012
Jess in NJ wrote:
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That sucks.
I have been listening to people complain lately that there aren't as many extracurricular activities for the kids as there used to be. But these same parents expect some other parents to run the events. They don't want to volunteer in the evenings because they are tired from working all day. Um, so the same stay-at-home parents who volunteer during the day should do all the work in the evenings, too?
We do not live in an affluent area and our school budget has been cut drastically in the past few years. The only way we are even able to keep our school library open is through parent volunteers because all the librarians in the elementary schools were cut from the budget 3 years ago. They have also cut many of the sports programs because they can't pay coaches. And for the many children who live with single moms (especially the boys, and we have quite a few of them in our district), seeing the dads get involved at school events may not be something they talk about, but it is just another example of a positive male role model, which can't be underestimated.
I think my kids are pretty well adjusted and happy kids, but I know that we don't live in a bubble. It is important for me to give back to my community in a way that will help other people AND my kids. In the grand scheme of things, one afternoon or evening a year really isn't that much for the school to ask from each parent.
It did suck for him.
One of the things that told me he was worth going against my stand of never marrying again was not just his attitude, but his actions with this stuff.
From the time HE was serious about me he never missed a program or play or special event either of my sons had.
Before he'd moved in with us, even if he had to switch shifts or take time off. They were part of the package, they are always going to be there, and he stepped right up and into being a part of THEIR lives, supporting and encouraging them.
It's only part of why I love him so much.
And we're off. The charge has been picked up, Bear is off and we're going out to celebrate our anniversary. Twenty-six years down and as many as we've got living to go.
This year at least it's not on a weekend. Those years we need to go out for lunch instead of dinner. The places are always packed with prom goers in the evening.
Have a great day!
See y'all tomorrow.

Since: Aug 08

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#67931 May 31, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text>Sub said he's got the week off between xmas and new years. Up to now, I've never even considered doing such a thing. A week off is for a cruise, a ski trip, a week on a tropical island, etc. I've never taken a week off to stay in town.
Dude, I have almost 6 weeks vacation, not counting holidays, tho. I dunno about you, but I can't afford to spend 6 weeks taking my family on cruises, ski trips, and visiting tropical islands. My last name's not Hilton.

If it were just me and Bambi, yeah. However, I have a mortgage for a big house, 3 dogs that aren't cheap and that I'd have to board, and 3 kids that I either have to find a relative who is willing to schlep down here to watch for free or pay a crap load to watch for a week or pay to take them with. Not to mention all the other bills and shyte I have to pay for, from one salary. Unless I find a money tree or until Bambi finishes Nursing school and starts bringing in some decent coin, it's not happening.

I also don't mind just relaxing at home for a week. I don't even leave the house hardly. Everyday is a Saturday for a week! It's nice just to decompress.

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