a 70's murder in Bensalem ... was any...
Frank

Feasterville Trevose, PA

#143 May 2, 2012
Kacey wrote:
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This person murdered almost all the family members. That is what happened. Now if you are looking at the big picture you would ask "was there a motive." Now before you go saying we are protecting the assailant, the word motive means "something that caused a person to act in a certain way." It was a horrendous criminal act and it is not justified by the motive. It was not a random act since there was a relationship between the family and a history.
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Now here's where you show ignorance in your evaluating others who look at what happened. Obviously, he was not mentally stable. He was harassed for his own obvious maladjustment's. Maybe they enjoyed doing it.
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Did the family, particularly the parents know about this? Did they observe what was going on?
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What do you think would happen if you pushed someone who is already mentally unstable over the edge? If you ask me it sounds like that's what the bullies are trying to do. It's entertainment to them to try and push someone over the edge. Instead of killing himself a person may decide to destroy those who are bullying.
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In many cases of bullying the bullies pick on someone who is weaker or even retarded. I observed in grade school people making fun of mentally challenged individuals. I observed a girl who was mentally immature being flirted with by boys who did it as a joke. It can be very cruel.
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Here's an analogy of how something happens to an innocent person as the result of someone else's behavior. Two friends are at a bar. The one friend is obnoxious when he gets drunk. The other friend knows this, but he's good friends with him and thinks it's harmless. Well, they are drinking and the one obnoxious friend starts an argument. He's big and tough and believes he can handle himself in a bar fight. The person he picks the fight with throws a punch missing the tough guy and hitting the friend in the temple. He is immediately knocked unconscious, hits the floor with his head and dies.
The guy who threw punch is arrested and sent to jail. The tough guy than has to live the rest of his life knowing that his friend died because of something he did. The guy who threw the punch is not justified, is not exonerated... he's was convicted.
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Now if you look at the friend who died there's one observation. He was the innocent party, but he was aware of his friends actions. He thought his obnoxious friend was harmless and did nothing to try and change it. Sometimes we don't take a serious situation serious.
In the end could the parents of a bully stop a bully? The last resort is for parents to tell a bully to stop or move out. Maybe things would have ended differently and the tragedy would not have occurred.
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Bullies do try and push people to the edge, except they all thing they are tough enough to take the outcome.. they don't always think about others they involve.
Listen, I am absolutely aware that bullying is a problem. But there are people on this board TRYING TO JUSTIFY THE MURDER OF ALMOST AN ENTIRE FAMILY! Do I agree that we as a society have to take steps to prevent bullying? Yes. Do I thik it ever justifies murder? Absolutely not! Do I think that either of the surviving brothers "deserved" to have their family slaughtered? Absolutely Not! And anyone who does is an idiot, CASE CLOSED!!!
Frank

Feasterville Trevose, PA

#144 May 2, 2012
Kacey wrote:
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To answer your question, here's another way of looking at it. If the Abt family knew about the bullying, then why didn't they stop it? By not taking steps to stop it they provided a motive for what happened.
Here's an analogy. Two friends like to go out and drink. One of them is obnoxious and gets in fights. The other tolerates his friend and thinks it harmless. One time the obnoxious friend starts a fight and the other gets killed after getting hit with a bottle. Now you may say the one who got killed was innocent, didn't start the fight, but they were killed. It's unfair, but you see he had the opportunity to take his friends behavior seriously and stop it or kick him out of his life.
Bullying continues until someone deals with it. It may end differently than you think.
So by your logic, since the Abt Family SUPPOSIDLY knew about the bullying, it is ok that they were all murdered??? That makes it ok or somehow justified??? Your analogy is beyond ridiculous because AGAIN, you implicate that a murder was somehow justified.... Ok, a person did not stop his idiot friend from fighting in a bar, so it's his fault that person got murdered??? Not the guy who killed him, right???? The YES INNOCENT PERSON??? You are absolutely certifiable...
Bill

Fairless Hills, PA

#145 May 5, 2012
I used to shit in Diane Goeke's and the Abt families mouths on a regular basis
Kacey

Bensalem, PA

#146 May 17, 2012
Bill wrote:
I used to shit in Diane Goeke's and the Abt families mouths on a regular basis
You almost understand it. It's not the friend's fault in the bar, but he place himself in harms way by ignoring his friend's behavior.

Is it reasonable to believe that if you "hang out" with someone who gets in fights that you may end up on the receiving end?

The point is this; we ALL have the responsibility to stop bullying. If you don't than you will have to live with the outcome... and it may not be what you think.
Kacey

Bensalem, PA

#147 May 17, 2012
Frank wrote:
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So by your logic, since the Abt Family SUPPOSIDLY knew about the bullying, it is ok that they were all murdered??? That makes it ok or somehow justified??? Your analogy is beyond ridiculous because AGAIN, you implicate that a murder was somehow justified.... Ok, a person did not stop his idiot friend from fighting in a bar, so it's his fault that person got murdered??? Not the guy who killed him, right???? The YES INNOCENT PERSON??? You are absolutely certifiable...
This was a response to Frank (not the other crazy comment):

You almost understand it. It's not the friend's fault in the bar, but he place himself in harms way by ignoring his friend's behavior.

Is it reasonable to believe that if you "hang out" with someone who gets in fights that you may end up on the receiving end?

The point is this; we ALL have the responsibility to stop bullying. If you don't than you will have to live with the outcome... and it may not be what you think.
Bambi Golden

Brawley, CA

#148 May 22, 2012
I just sat and read this entire post. Unbelievable. Truly. I can't believe that anyone would think for any reason that if ONE person bullies them that they have a right to take 6 OTHER innocent peoples lives. Why not wait until the next day or whenever and kill the person who tormented you? There is NO excuse for this. Maybe severe mental illness but I don't think that was the case. Uncontrollable anger and maybe he grew up in his own abusive household. Million and millions of children are bullied every year and only a tiny percentage of really screwed up kids retaliate in this way. Don't worry....I am sure that Michael and Clifford both paid. Clifford until he died of a drug overdose and Michael til he dies of whatever God has in mind for him. Just living in drug addiction and alcoholism alone is a pure living hell. Never mind trying to run from those demons. These guys may have ended up staying scumbags but they really never stood a chance at straightening out and growing up to be good people after that. Jesus....cut these poor guys some slack. Mean people suck. Thats all I have to say about that. Period.
susan h

United States

#149 Jun 2, 2012
I knew kathy very well and miss her she was a true friend. It was a drug thing gone bad everyone was killed 1 by 1 as they came home and thrown down the basement stairs including thier dog i will never forget the furneral most of Neil Armstrongs 8th grade class was there.
bronx girl

Helmetta, NJ

#150 Jul 19, 2012
concerned friend wrote:
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If anyone has information on this murder pls let me know my best friend just found out that these are her parents (john Lekka and Diane Goeke). email me at [email protected]
Diane Goeke had a child with Robert Buli not Lekka. He had Lekka help him kill Diane.
TLH

Morrisville, PA

#151 Jul 20, 2012
bronx girl wrote:
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Diane Goeke had a child with Robert Buli not Lekka. He had Lekka help him kill Diane.
They both are serving life sentences, but may get new sentencing hearings since the Supreme Court just ruled that life sentences given to juveniles are unconstitutional. Both Lekka and Buli were under 18 at the time.
Rasputan

Kingston, PA

#152 Jul 20, 2012
TLH wrote:
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They both are serving life sentences, but may get new sentencing hearings since the Supreme Court just ruled that life sentences given to juveniles are unconstitutional. Both Lekka and Buli were under 18 at the time.
This has got to be the most Incredible Miscarrying of Justice I have ever heard of! There must be something that can be done to keep these criminals where they won't have another oppurtunity to harm anything again. What is done is done, sane or not, it was a well thought out and exicuted plan reguardless of age. In my veiw the sentence that was reached was adequate, it could have been death by leathal injection.
Joe SC

Parsons, TN

#153 Jul 21, 2012
susan h wrote:
I knew kathy very well and miss her she was a true friend. It was a drug thing gone bad everyone was killed 1 by 1 as they came home and thrown down the basement stairs including thier dog i will never forget the furneral most of Neil Armstrongs 8th grade class was there.
Susan,

Interesting that you mention "drug thing gone bad" as opposed to bullying. Seems more plausible to me. John and Kathy were classmates at Assumption. I recall they were in the same grade and remember Kathy as being nice, but don't remember too much about John.
mrs kailua kona

San Diego, CA

#154 Aug 14, 2012
michael wrote:
To all the posters here commenting on the Apt family murders. Unless you knew the family personally, you have no right to comment here. I was a good friend of Margies (Abhp Wood) in high school. Lost in all of this discussion about the brothers are the true victims. Marige was simply the nicest, kindest, most caring and beautiful girl that you would ever want to meet. To have her life ended that way haunts me 30+ years later. She had the greatest laugh, excitement and dreams for the future and a great wicked of humor. She was the first to help anyone else in class and was the first to extend her hand in friendship to anyone left out. I think about what happened to Margie all the time and how sadly she was so quickly forgotten as the news stories focused on the sensationalism. Hope you are at peace Margie.
What a small world Michael in Honolulu Hawaii. While I didn't know Margie both my older brother and sister did plus the older boys. My school bus stopped at their bus stop to pick up Margie's younger brother and sister who were always nice and so happy. I lived across the train tracks maybe 1 1/2 miles away on Tremont Avenue.
I remember listening to the radio playing when the news broke it
was so surreal. It does appear while the Amityville murders with six members of their family killed by their son maybe their daughter is famous this murder of five family members and one person Margie's boyfriend has been swept under the rug. I will never forget them so being teased or bulliest doesn't give someone the right to take one life or in this case six lives. I moved to Florida in 1977 the year after spending 33 years there until I moved to Kailua Kona in 2010. Aloha
mrs kailua kona

San Diego, CA

#155 Aug 14, 2012
I knew kathy very well and miss her she was a true friend. It was a drug thing gone bad everyone was killed 1 by 1 as they came home and thrown down the basement stairs including their dog I will never forget the funeral most of Neil Armstrong's 8th grade class was there.

Just like the rest of Neil Armstrong's 8th grade glass I was in that
class too. What a small world! I didn't know Kathy well she was sweet always nice and happy. I was on her school bus so I saw her when she got on as I lived across the train tracks from Trevose Train Station. It was never the same for me stopping at her bus stop I always remembered their family being brutally killed. My older brother and sister knew Margie and the two older brothers. I moved to Florida in 1977 then to Hawaii in 2010 so it still feels so surreal all these years later.

I was unsure of what you meant it was a drug thing gone bad? Their psycho neighbor taunted by the two older sons named George Geschwendt killed five members of the Abt. family and Margie's boyfriend plus the family St. Bernard dog.
mrs kailua kona

San Diego, CA

#156 Aug 14, 2012
Kacey wrote:
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To answer your question, here's another way of looking at it. If the Abt family knew about the bullying, then why didn't they stop it? By not taking steps to stop it they provided a motive for what happened.
Here's an analogy. Two friends like to go out and drink. One of them is obnoxious and gets in fights. The other tolerates his friend and thinks it harmless. One time the obnoxious friend starts a fight and the other gets killed after getting hit with a bottle. Now you may say the one who got killed was innocent, didn't start the fight, but they were killed. It's unfair, but you see he had the opportunity to take his friends behavior seriously and stop it or kick him out of his life.
Bullying continues until someone deals with it. It may end differently than you think.
I guess what you're saying is that an innocent family must pay the ultimate price for their son taunting a neighbor pushed over edge who tries to kill the entire family. I don't get a sense you feel any compassion for the Abts so maybe what you're saying is that you have no heart if someone upsets you by insulting you then you will shoot them in the head. Is that it? Don't even try telling me that if your entire family was murdered for your bad mouth you will think it's justified. Funny how if it's YOUR family that will change your mind about someone wiping out a family.

was bullied in Florida the bully still lives after I fought back once they moved on to the next victim. In this case both bullies live the rest of their family were slaughtered.

Don't even respond I won't be reading your warped comments. Maybe you need some mental health counseling before it's too late from your books for posts you need it!
mrs kailua kona

San Diego, CA

#157 Aug 14, 2012
Jan wrote:
My sister worked with Margie back in the 70's and planned on going to her house for dinner the nite of the murders. My sister Beth ended up doing something else that nite at the last minute. The next day when we heard about this....My sister told us about her last minute change of plans.....we were all terribly happy about Beth not going to dinner over her house as Margie invited her a few times. Beth became her friend at work only and liked her very much. Of course my sister never knew what her brother's were all about at this time. I only know that I'm now online reading about it because something came up in my family about it. We were all traumatized by this incident. I was still in high school at the time...thought it was 1976 in March.
You might be able to interview my sister Beth who knew her from work.
Janice
I was in Neil Armstrong's 8th grade class living across the train tracks from the Abts. when I heard the story break on the radio.
I remember thinking this is so surreal it just didn't sink in at first. Your sister Beth I think God spared her life that day so
it really doesn't matter if the killer neighbor was bullied or not.
Sticks and stones will break my bones, names will never hurt me.
If every time someone said something mean to us we were allowed to kill them this world wouldn't have people! Take care Jan Aloha
mrs kailua kona

San Diego, CA

#158 Aug 14, 2012
Frank wrote:
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Here is the big picture... This guy murdered an entire family of innocent people. THAT'S THE BIG PICTURE! You yourself stated that bullying "dosen't justify killing", and yet you are defending this guy! YOU are the one who is ignorant! By your logic anyone would be able to get away with murder by claiming that someone "picked on them"! By the way, this guy was not a teen but a grown man.
Aloha Frank in Warmister PA:

You said it best! What an idiot just like you I agree if we killed every person that ever said a bad word to us the world would be empty of people! I think George was in his twenties not a teen.
I was born in NE Philly then moved to Trevose in 1968 then moved to Florida in 1977 the year after the Abt murders. I was simply amazed the Amityville murders have been famous yet unless you grew up in PA most have never heard of it.

BTW Frank I was bullied in Tampa I fought my bully after being tormented for months at school where the teachers looked the other way. While I finally had to take drastic action it didn't call for murder right? I went to Neil Armstrong actually I was in one of the Abt's kids grade when it happened then I started Bensalem High School moving to Florida to start 10 grade. May the Abts & Margie's boyfriend rest in peace. I was surprised to learn George Geschwendt was still alive in prison all these years later. That's the irony. Justice still not served.
mrs kailua kona

San Diego, CA

#159 Aug 14, 2012
Kacey wrote:
<quoted text>
This person murdered almost all the family members. That is what happened. Now if you are looking at the big picture you would ask "was there a motive." Now before you go saying we are protecting the assailant, the word motive means "something that caused a person to act in a certain way." It was a horrendous criminal act and it is not justified by the motive. It was not a random act since there was a relationship between the family and a history.
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Now here's where you show ignorance in your evaluating others who look at what happened. Obviously, he was not mentally stable. He was harassed for his own obvious maladjustment's. Maybe they enjoyed doing it.
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Did the family, particularly the parents know about this? Did they observe what was going on?
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What do you think would happen if you pushed someone who is already mentally unstable over the edge? If you ask me it sounds like that's what the bullies are trying to do. It's entertainment to them to try and push someone over the edge. Instead of killing himself a person may decide to destroy those who are bullying.
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In many cases of bullying the bullies pick on someone who is weaker or even retarded. I observed in grade school people making fun of mentally challenged individuals. I observed a girl who was mentally immature being flirted with by boys who did it as a joke. It can be very cruel.
-
Here's an analogy of how something happens to an innocent person as the result of someone else's behavior. Two friends are at a bar. The one friend is obnoxious when he gets drunk. The other friend knows this, but he's good friends with him and thinks it's harmless. Well, they are drinking and the one obnoxious friend starts an argument. He's big and tough and believes he can handle himself in a bar fight. The person he picks the fight with throws a punch missing the tough guy and hitting the friend in the temple. He is immediately knocked unconscious, hits the floor with his head and dies.
The guy who threw punch is arrested and sent to jail. The tough guy than has to live the rest of his life knowing that his friend died because of something he did. The guy who threw the punch is not justified, is not exonerated... he's was convicted.
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Now if you look at the friend who died there's one observation. He was the innocent party, but he was aware of his friends actions. He thought his obnoxious friend was harmless and did nothing to try and change it. Sometimes we don't take a serious situation serious.
In the end could the parents of a bully stop a bully? The last resort is for parents to tell a bully to stop or move out. Maybe things would have ended differently and the tragedy would not have occurred.
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Bullies do try and push people to the edge, except they all thing they are tough enough to take the outcome.. they don't always think about others they involve.
In your extra long books for posts Kacey without a heart you FAIL as you try to make your point as if the family is still alive including the parents to make a rebuttal. They're DEAD. H-e-l-l-o anyone home in la la land? D E A D Kacy No longer able to communicate to live their live to grow old. Feel free to rejoin us in the real world.
mrs kailua kona

San Diego, CA

#160 Aug 14, 2012
Bdone wrote:
Bullies have tricks that they pull. One of the tricks is to offer the victim to be part of their group. In order to be part of the group they have to steal or vandalize or take part in some other illegal thing like take drugs. Then when the victim gets arrested or has a bad trip they pick up the bullying and mock them for trying to fit in.
The victim, who is looking for any way out of being bullied, partakes in the game only to be further humiliated and now they are in real trouble.
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From the news reports it looks like George got in trouble for vandalism with Abt's. His mother forbade him to hang out with those boys anymore.
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I wonder how much Abt family members knew about the bullying.
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Here's something to think about in regard to the motives in the case. George was mentally slow and he obviously had alot of anxiety and rage to do what he did.
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If the Abt parents had stopped the bullying, or even kicked their kids out for bullying would the murders have happened? Would the motive had still existed?
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Bullies tend to push their victims to the edge as a form of entertainment, but they forget that there may be outcomes to their torture.
Just one question bdone in Levittown for you? Is your name Kacey?
What's the chances of TWO people not just one person that's an idiot posting the same thoughts? ZERO That's what I'm talking about.

Cat got your tongue(s)? Thought so!
mrs kailua kona

San Diego, CA

#161 Aug 14, 2012
Kacey wrote:
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This was a response to Frank (not the other crazy comment):
You almost understand it. It's not the friend's fault in the bar, but he place himself in harms way by ignoring his friend's behavior.
Is it reasonable to believe that if you "hang out" with someone who gets in fights that you may end up on the receiving end?
The point is this; we ALL have the responsibility to stop bullying. If you don't than you will have to live with the outcome... and it may not be what you think.
Did you ever try to stop a drunk from driving? A fight will ensue. Try to stop a drunk from being obnoxious saying outlandish things to perfect strangers? That won't happen. The article is about the MURDER of the Abt family plus the boyfriend of their daughter and their dog. READ the story it doesn't speak about bullying.
Frank

Feasterville Trevose, PA

#162 Aug 26, 2012
Kacey wrote:
<quoted text>
This was a response to Frank (not the other crazy comment):
You almost understand it. It's not the friend's fault in the bar, but he place himself in harms way by ignoring his friend's behavior.
Is it reasonable to believe that if you "hang out" with someone who gets in fights that you may end up on the receiving end?
The point is this; we ALL have the responsibility to stop bullying. If you don't than you will have to live with the outcome... and it may not be what you think.
You know what, you are so stupid, that you will never even come remotely close to "understanding" it... Dear Mrs. Retarded for life..., I can quote in caps just like you.....We "ALL" have the responsibility to "NOT MURDER A FAMILY IN COLD BLOOD"!!!
Get your head out of your A$$

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