Q&A: Shortage expected to linger

Q&A: Shortage expected to linger

There are 29 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Sep 22, 2008, titled Q&A: Shortage expected to linger. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

Comments on Topix forums : Question: Why is this shortage happening in the mountains? Answer: No one has a definitive answer, experts included.

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Since: May 07

Great Falls, MT

#1 Sep 23, 2008
So no one can agree on why we can't find gas. Shortages in Atlanta and Nashville and other areas. Not just here.
rose55

Maxton, NC

#2 Sep 23, 2008
If the gas supply can shut down on us then we need to shut down on the gas suppliers. Everyone should not got to work, not shop, stay at home one day. What would that do to the local economy?

Since: May 07

Spartanburg, SC

#3 Sep 23, 2008
rose55 wrote:
If the gas supply can shut down on us then we need to shut down on the gas suppliers. Everyone should not got to work, not shop, stay at home one day. What would that do to the local economy?
It may come to that whether we do it voluntarily or not. I think it is getting worse, not better.
what cave

Eddyville, KY

#4 Sep 23, 2008
According to the colonial pipeline web site the pipeline shut down only a few hours.
"Within hours of both hurricanes, Colonial Pipeline was able to restore pipeline service. After performing safety inspections, repowering, and staffing our facilities, we have been able to restart our pipelines in a safe and orderly manner. But given disruptions in refinery production and the associated supply issues, Colonial has been forced to operate at reduced rates."

The pipeline carries several fuels in the same pipeline, avation, deisel, gasoline, etc. at the same time.
"Different product batches are pushed through the system abutting each other. Mechanical separators (pigs) are seldom used. The stream is always in a turbulent flow condition which minimizes mixing. The areas where different products mix are called interfaces and are refined again"

For more info go to: www.colpipe.com
Josh

Buffalo, NY

#5 Sep 23, 2008
rose55 wrote:
If the gas supply can shut down on us then we need to shut down on the gas suppliers. Everyone should not got to work, not shop, stay at home one day. What would that do to the local economy?
A one day gas boycott will do nothing but raise the price tomorrow. You need a good organized effort that last for 3 or more days to send any real message. Most of us myself included do not have that luxury. Its either go to work an suffer the prices or no gas at all... Or get fired and then really be up the creek without a paddle. This is one of those times when they really do need to tap into the reserves for the southeast... Although I am not buying this terrain BS, eastern TN has the same teraain we have yet they have plenty of gas at 3.79 a gallon. So someone somewhere is pulling our legs and we are letting them, although I dont know what we could do to stop this.
local

Greer, SC

#6 Sep 23, 2008
There has not been a capacity update from Colonial since Ike...They got the pipeline going in hours...but, at a greatly reduced rate...September 10th was the last report given for "Full strength operation"

Pedal your bikes few a few days kids...it'll get better...
breckenridge

Maxton, NC

#7 Sep 23, 2008
Locally, Saluda has gas. Etowah has gas. Brevard has gas. Tryon has gas. Landrum has gas. Mill Spring has gas. Lake Lure has gas.

And as Josh said, all of estarn Tennessee has gas. Just had a friend drive in from north Alabama up through east Tennessee -- there is no "gas shortage" in any of these areas.
Good Luck

Taylorsville, NC

#8 Sep 23, 2008
breckenridge wrote:
Locally, Saluda has gas. Etowah has gas. Brevard has gas. Tryon has gas. Landrum has gas. Mill Spring has gas. Lake Lure has gas.
And as Josh said, all of estarn Tennessee has gas. Just had a friend drive in from north Alabama up through east Tennessee -- there is no "gas shortage" in any of these areas.
That's because there are not thousands of idiots living there that ran out and bought up all the gas before the hurricane hit. Stop informing everyone where the gas is because they'll just make a desperate run for it like they've done here. I blame the gas shortage on the greedy little people of our lovely little city.
ashevillian

Weaverville, NC

#9 Sep 23, 2008
mlc9852 wrote:
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It may come to that whether we do it voluntarily or not. I think it is getting worse, not better.
My employer has already sent an email out stating that "out of gas" will constitute an "unexcused" absence (3 of those and you're fired!)...

really understanding aren't they.

Since: May 07

Spartanburg, SC

#10 Sep 23, 2008
Good Luck wrote:
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That's because there are not thousands of idiots living there that ran out and bought up all the gas before the hurricane hit. Stop informing everyone where the gas is because they'll just make a desperate run for it like they've done here. I blame the gas shortage on the greedy little people of our lovely little city.
Shortages across Southeast
Arthur Burnier, of Old Fort, couldn’t find premium gas for his 13-year-old BMW for the past week. He waited in line at the Shell for about an hour Monday, creeping toward the pump to fill up on regular.

“I’ve waited 60 minutes to pay $60 for regular,” Burnier said.“I don’t understand why this is only happening in Western North Carolina. They say if you get out of the mountains, there’s plenty of gas.”

In fact, there were problems across the Southeast.

Nashville continued to see widespread gas outages with problems also being reported in metro Atlanta and Tallahassee, Fla.

“Our deliveries have been at reduced rates for almost 20 days, so that’s a long time not to be able to meet the market demand,” said Steve Baker, a spokesman for Colonial Pipeline.

http://citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articl...

It's not just Asheville. Pay attention to what is happening in other areas.

Since: May 07

Spartanburg, SC

#11 Sep 23, 2008
ashevillian wrote:
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My employer has already sent an email out stating that "out of gas" will constitute an "unexcused" absence (3 of those and you're fired!)...
really understanding aren't they.
Well, I imagine your employer has to get gas like everyone else. Maybe when he/she can't find any, they will reconsider.

My daughter just told me Hot Spot on Leicester Hwy. got gas and the lines stretch back down to Patton Ave. and cars are lined up on the center lane coming from the north. No cops there to help with traffic. Tempers flaring. Bad situation.
roofoo

Arden, NC

#12 Sep 23, 2008
ashevillian wrote:
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My employer has already sent an email out stating that "out of gas" will constitute an "unexcused" absence (3 of those and you're fired!)...
really understanding aren't they.
Hehe... so does that mean he will fire himself if his tank goes dry?
FEDUP

United States

#13 Sep 23, 2008
The main blame should go to the news. They're who is responsible for the panic.
I keep hearing and reading that one thing that makes gas more expensive here and why there is no gas is because of the "MOUNTAINIOS TERRAIN". This might have been believable in the 70's Now we have interstates.
The pipeline I hear only travels four miles per hour. How big is this pipeline? I would like to know haw many gallons per hour.
LBP

Columbia, SC

#14 Sep 23, 2008
That's not quite accurate - I searched Brevard last evening(5 stations) no gas. Then today at lunch I was sent from one to another (4 more) no gas. Finally this afternoon one station got some and I spent 50 minutes waiting my turn. My boss went from Brevard to Hendersonville over the lunch hour to find some. Had I not found it today I could've made it home, but not back to work tomorrow. This is crazy!
I live in Brevard

Blackstock, SC

#15 Sep 23, 2008
breckenridge wrote:
Locally, Saluda has gas. Etowah has gas. Brevard has gas. Tryon has gas. Landrum has gas. Mill Spring has gas. Lake Lure has gas.
And as Josh said, all of estarn Tennessee has gas. Just had a friend drive in from north Alabama up through east Tennessee -- there is no "gas shortage" in any of these areas.
where are you? brevard has no gas. 1 station had it and had a mile long line and is now sold out. etowah has no gas either.
daddyblue

Lexington, TN

#16 Sep 23, 2008
Good Luck wrote:
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That's because there are not thousands of idiots living there that ran out and bought up all the gas before the hurricane hit. Stop informing everyone where the gas is because they'll just make a desperate run for it like they've done here. I blame the gas shortage on the greedy little people of our lovely little city.
It's a tad more sinister than that BUB...when the oil bigs sat me in gas lines in the mid 70's it took a few years later to learn that they diverted oil and gas to EUROPE on purpose for higher prices and casued the USA gas shortage for their own greedy whim. How is that republican vote doing for you these days, kowtow?????
breckenridge

Dillon, SC

#17 Sep 23, 2008
I live in Brevard wrote:
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where are you? brevard has no gas. 1 station had it and had a mile long line and is now sold out. etowah has no gas either.
I drive across about 5 counties every week. The gas situation changes somewhat day to day. Today, people I know filled up in Landrum and Lake Lure with no problem. There's still gas in Greenville & Spartanburg, though some stations are out.

Tonight, drovomg between Asheville & Hendersonville (about 6 PM) there was gas at the Enmark station in North Hendersonville and later (at about 9:30 PM) there was gas at the Shell station on I-26 at the Fletcher exit (at Naples). The tanker was there as we passed by. At about 9:00 PM, we also saw gas at a station in Biltmore at the corner of Swannanoa River Road and Biltmore Avenue. There was a long line at this one.
breckenridge

Dillon, SC

#18 Sep 23, 2008
Typo. That should be:
"Tonight, DRIVING between Asheville & Hendersonville... "
breckenridge

Dillon, SC

#19 Sep 23, 2008
Today, the Hendersonville Chamber of Commerce sent out the following statement:

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Representatives from local gasoline distributors indicate that we should start seeing relief to the gas shortage by Wednesday. We encourage everyone to conserve whenever possible. Waiting to top off your tank will help make gas available to those without any.
The nature of the problem is a supply shortage from Texas pipelines due to Hurricanes Gustav and Ike. It typically takes two weeks to refill the pipeline, which was shut down in preparation for the hurricanes. Saturday, September 27th will mark two weeks since Hurricane Ike made landfall in the Gulf Coast. Henderson County stations should start to receive more shipments on Wednesday and improvements should continue until the supply line has stabilized.
Please bear in mind that the gas shortage is not the fault of the employees of the businesses that provide gasoline.
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So it looks like the problem will begin to ease up on Wednesday (tomorrow) and will continue to improve from that point on. This is no crisis. The sky is not falling.

Since: May 07

Great Falls, MT

#20 Sep 23, 2008
There is no gas - well, some but it is taken as soon as it arrives. Exxon on Leicester got a tanker and within a few minutes the line was back to Dollar General and the station parking lot was packed. Word got out that Shell in Biltmore is getting a tanker at 11:00 and cars were lined up waiting. Cops made everyone leave. Hot Spot on Leicester got gas and the line of cars went back down to Patton. It's getting worse, not better.

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