State Senate approves limited unpasteurized milk sales

Apr 16, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WisInfo

MADISON - Wisconsin farmers could sell raw, unpasteurized milk for the next two years directly to consumers under a bill passed Thursday by the state Senate.

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bob

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Apr 16, 2010
 
stupid
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Apr 20, 2010
 
What's so stupid about it? I drank from the tank my whole life. I've never had any issues. My father and father-in-law did it. Heck, they did it back before refrigerated milk tanks. Staight up is how 100% of the world used to drink milk and most, if not all, diary farmers still do it now. When my father-in-law gets ahold of some now, we are like kids in a candy store.
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Apr 20, 2010
 
Spalding wrote:
What's so stupid about it? I drank from the tank my whole life. I've never had any issues. My father and father-in-law did it. Heck, they did it back before refrigerated milk tanks. Staight up is how 100% of the world used to drink milk and most, if not all, diary farmers still do it now. When my father-in-law gets ahold of some now, we are like kids in a candy store.
i'm a dairy farmer,i grew up drinkin it too, we buy milk cause it's more convenient and has better a shelf life. The problem is that when people who are not used to drinking or handling it, get sick, it'll be bad publicity for the rest of the industry. The headlines will only read MILK MAKES PERSON SICK. You can eat raw meat if handled properly but why would you promote it to the general public
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Apr 21, 2010
 
Correct. You and I can handle it because we are used to it. It's amazing how the human body can adjust to it's environment, when it's allowed to.

Two, When you pasteurize milk you are not only killing possible bacteria but you are killing nutrients.

Three, How is buying it more convenient? Maybe your set-up was different from ours. We just dipped the pitcher in the bulk tank and walk to the house. We never had to worry about shelf life, I polished off 3 pitchers a day.
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Apr 21, 2010
 
Spalding wrote:
Correct. You and I can handle it because we are used to it. It's amazing how the human body can adjust to it's environment, when it's allowed to.
Two, When you pasteurize milk you are not only killing possible bacteria but you are killing nutrients.
Three, How is buying it more convenient? Maybe your set-up was different from ours. We just dipped the pitcher in the bulk tank and walk to the house. We never had to worry about shelf life, I polished off 3 pitchers a day.
I exercise and watch my diet, 3 pitchers of 4% buterfat milk a day wouldn't fit in my lifestyle. The main issue here is the the health risk to the general public and the P.R. from a food bourne illness
Cosie Moto Singrunde

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Apr 21, 2010
 
Limit my Manure, and I'll be pi$$ed
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Apr 21, 2010
 
I'm 6'4 200 pounds. I'm at ideal weight with drinking milk like it's the only beverage available. Adding a choice of unpasteurized milk is no different then the choice between Whole, 2% or Skim. My wife actually grew up on skim only. She can't drink whole. Look at a baby. The first time you switch them over to cow's milk, you better have shopped for some good diapers. I haven't looked up statistics so I could be wrong here but the only illness I've personally seen from and adult switching to unpasteurized milk is a good case of the runs. Now granted you need strict testing for ecoli from farmers doing improper tank cleanings but all milk is currently sampled.
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Apr 21, 2010
 
Spalding wrote:
I'm 6'4 200 pounds. I'm at ideal weight with drinking milk like it's the only beverage available. Adding a choice of unpasteurized milk is no different then the choice between Whole, 2% or Skim. My wife actually grew up on skim only. She can't drink whole. Look at a baby. The first time you switch them over to cow's milk, you better have shopped for some good diapers. I haven't looked up statistics so I could be wrong here but the only illness I've personally seen from and adult switching to unpasteurized milk is a good case of the runs. Now granted you need strict testing for ecoli from farmers doing improper tank cleanings but all milk is currently sampled.
Anyone that wants to drink milk out of their own cow or bulk tank no problem. selling it is a problem. There r countless cases of food bourne illness related to raw milk according to the C.D.C.
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Apr 22, 2010
 
so what you are saying is its fine to drink but as soon as you put a price tag on it you are in danger of getting sick. Hundreds of kids just poured it on their cereal this morning. Your basic argument is its ok to drink but it's not ok to drink.
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Apr 22, 2010
 
Spalding wrote:
so what you are saying is its fine to drink but as soon as you put a price tag on it you are in danger of getting sick. Hundreds of kids just poured it on their cereal this morning. Your basic argument is its ok to drink but it's not ok to drink.
You're guaranteeing no one will get sick drinking your raw milk? You're not at all concerned that by some small chance someone does contract campylobacter jenuni, listeria monocytogenes, salmonella or ecoli.0157 they won't sue you for your farm. You're not concerned that the local and national media would have a field day and jump all over this story? Are you passing on the cost savings of not having to heat the milk to 160 degrees for 10 mins(pastuerization) to your customers?
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Apr 22, 2010
 
No but there is as much risk buying USDA packaged meats in the grocery store as there is from raw milk. There are constant recalls. Yet people still buy meat there everyday. It's the same risk as getting sick from improperly handled food at a restaurant. Yet people still eat out.

If my customer doesn't wish to have his milk pasteurized then why would I sell him pasteurized milk? Could there by cost savings for the customer of course. Could the farmers decide to pocket the extra savings. Of course. Would it be a bad thing for farmers to take a little. We are losing family farms all over the state.

Am I afraid of seeing farms lost because of improper handling. No. Your milk won't get picked up now unless it passes testing. Not only by your hauler, your processor but also by your inspector.

No one is saying that if you still want pasteurized skim milk you can't have it. Go ahead.
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Apr 22, 2010
 
Does anyone have updated info re: the raw milk bill vote for today in Madison...April 22? I keep looking and can't find the results. Thanks!

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Apr 22, 2010
 
Haven't seen anything yet. Thomas Nelson(D - State Assembly). Has a twitter account but hasn't posted anything.
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Spalding wrote:
No but there is as much risk buying USDA packaged meats in the grocery store as there is from raw milk. There are constant recalls. Yet people still buy meat there everyday. It's the same risk as getting sick from improperly handled food at a restaurant. Yet people still eat out.
If my customer doesn't wish to have his milk pasteurized then why would I sell him pasteurized milk? Could there by cost savings for the customer of course. Could the farmers decide to pocket the extra savings. Of course. Would it be a bad thing for farmers to take a little. We are losing family farms all over the state.
Am I afraid of seeing farms lost because of improper handling. No. Your milk won't get picked up now unless it passes testing. Not only by your hauler, your processor but also by your inspector.
No one is saying that if you still want pasteurized skim milk you can't have it. Go ahead.
no risk from properly cooked meat< no risk from properly pastuerized milk.
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Apr 22, 2010
 
Spalding wrote:
so what you are saying is its fine to drink but as soon as you put a price tag on it you are in danger of getting sick. Hundreds of kids just poured it on their cereal this morning. Your basic argument is its ok to drink but it's not ok to drink.
1998-2008 FDA reported 1614 cases of illness related to raw milk, 187 hospitalizations, 2 deaths. It is illegal to sell raw milk in the U.S. B smart, don't break the law

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Apr 23, 2010
 
Actually, it's not a United States law. The FDA released the pasteurized milk ordinance which has been adopted by most states. Wisconsin pasteurization laws were adopted in 1959. The state can overturn that now.

Take him for what you will but check out http://douglassreport.com/reports/raw-milk/...

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Apr 23, 2010
 
Your right. If, If it's properly pasteurized and if it's properly cooked. It's safe.

You can eat raw meat if handled properly (Your Words)

You can drink raw milk if handled properly.

In the end you are taking just as much risk assuming that the processor pasteurized correctly as you are assuming the farmer is following sanitation procedures. If he's not following sanitation procedures he's currently not getting picked up.
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Apr 23, 2010
 
Spalding wrote:
Your right. If, If it's properly pasteurized and if it's properly cooked. It's safe.
You can eat raw meat if handled properly (Your Words)
You can drink raw milk if handled properly.
In the end you are taking just as much risk assuming that the processor pasteurized correctly as you are assuming the farmer is following sanitation procedures. If he's not following sanitation procedures he's currently not getting picked up.
Raw milk doesn't cure cancer. Why eat raw meat? cook your meat and milk. b safe. Milk's strongest selling points are it's safety and wholesome goodness. There's no government conspiracy. Cooking milk doesn't "kill" the magic healing properties of raw milk because there are no holistic healing powers in raw milk.
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Apr 23, 2010
 
It's always about money. People want to carve out niche markets to charge a little more so they come up with "all natural" "small" "family" "local" "amish"then they have "organic" taken it 1 step further with raw. What's next "extra terrestrial free? Conventional milk is safe and healthy. Stop bashing my industry.

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Apr 23, 2010
 
Who's bashing your industry? No one has said stop selling pasteurized milk. No one has said stop farming. Again you’re right. All industries are looking for niche markets. Why shouldn't the Wisconsin farm capitalize on that? Something tells me you are a large commercial farmer and you are afraid this will give the family farm a leg to stand on.

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