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created by: Bobby Kennedy | Oct 25, 2009

Belmont, NC

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Should Bill Toole Resign from Belmont Council Race?

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illegal immigrant

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I think we all know why. Bill is not a resident of Belmont. He's faking his residency to run, with the ulterior motive of saving his primary residence in the county, which just happens to be in path of the proposed Garden Parkway.

This is not right. I hope Bill realizes his good intentions have resulted in a abuse of the public trust.

Do the right thing. Resign Bill.
King Leary

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Why don;t you grow a pair and call him a liar? come on now, you want to spout your truth then back it up.

he stated publicly he had moved to his rental house.

you say he has not. you say he is a liar and probably a cheat too.

that's CREDITABILITY in this forum. get it? you must prove the truth with your own ass on the line.

otherwise you are just another blow hard without the convictions of their words.

so, pony up, if you believe what you say then you will. if not, you are the liar.
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illegal immigrant wrote:
I think we all know why. Bill is not a resident of Belmont. He's faking his residency to run, with the ulterior motive of saving his primary residence in the county, which just happens to be in path of the proposed Garden Parkway.
This is not right. I hope Bill realizes his good intentions have resulted in a abuse of the public trust.
Do the right thing. Resign Bill.
Wow. You really have to question the motives and identity of someone who puts up a poll about this non-issue at the eleventh hour. The incumbents must be really worried. Please name the specific requirement that Mr. Toole has failed to meet to run for Council. As to the road, I'm sure he knows that Council will not be making the decision on that. But it is true that people get involved in politics because something motivates them to do so; you seem to think this is a fault. I guess you would prefer a candidate who runs to get a paycheck or who is so unmoved by any issues that he doesn't even bother to tell the electorate why he's running when he's asked to by the local paper. What is Mr. Toole supposed to resign from? The ballot? If people disagree with his qualifications or positions, he won't win. And since your supposed bar for public trust is set so low, I'm sure you're incensed by sitting councilmen who fail to recuse themselves on votes or council recommendations that benefit them or their property?
Find a real issue.
Bobby Kennedy

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Is his wife leaving the lake house in the county to join him in the rental house? Does he have to continue to live there if elected and if so who is going to monitor that? If he loses will he remain in the rental house?

His primary residence has always been in the county. He has found a loophole in the system and is manipulating it to his advantage. He is not a resident of Belmont, it's just a ploy to gain political power and a veiled attempt to save his primary residence in the county.

What about this little scheme is ethical?
Bobby Kennedy

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He may not live in Belmont, but he is a democrat, so I do have to give him props for that.
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LETS BE FAIR NOW

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I think the correct term is "drop out of the race" not resign, as there is nothing to resign from.

I think Bill's a great guy but I seriously question his judgement with this particular situation.
Morgan

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Bobby Kennedy wrote:
Is his wife leaving the lake house in the county to join him in the rental house? Does he have to continue to live there if elected and if so who is going to monitor that? If he loses will he remain in the rental house?
His primary residence has always been in the county. He has found a loophole in the system and is manipulating it to his advantage. He is not a resident of Belmont, it's just a ploy to gain political power and a veiled attempt to save his primary residence in the county.
What about this little scheme is ethical?
Do you stay awake at night worrying about these things?

His wife isn't running. Who cares where she lives? She can live wherever she wants.
Why don't you volunteer to be the house monitor if he is elected? Sounds like something you have already been practicing.
If he loses, what do you care where he lives?
Wow, glad you exposed that "loophole" for all of us too dumb to see it--live and work in the Belmont area for many years, buy a house, maintain and pay taxes on it for over a decade and then become motivated to make a difference in the community instead of just complaining, move and meet the only necessary legal requirement to run for Belmont City Council-- which is to live here for 30 days--so you can try for a shot at a thankless job representing and dealing with people like you. Gosh, what a brilliant diabolical plan, excuse me, ploy, to get political power. He has really taken advantage of that "loophole" know by some as the requirement for eligibility for Belmont City Council.
It is truly amazing how you make his valuing his home a fault that disqualifies him from office. Why don't you run? The way things are going it could really mess things up to have a councilman who can empathize with those of us who are getting ready to have a highway come through our living room. Obviously you are not facing this problem.

What's not ethical is a little scheme that uses a sham poll as a disguise for a mean-spirited smear to help some other candidate. Ethical would be an election based on people voting their choice based on facts and issues.


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Bobby Kennedy wrote:
He may not live in Belmont, but he is a democrat, so I do have to give him props for that.
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Morgan

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LETS BE FAIR NOW wrote:
I think the correct term is "drop out of the race" not resign, as there is nothing to resign from.
I think Bill's a great guy but I seriously question his judgement with this particular situation.
Oh, mr china grove, there you go again.
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illegal immigrant wrote:
I think we all know why. Bill is not a resident of Belmont. He's faking his residency to run, with the ulterior motive of saving his primary residence in the county, which just happens to be in path of the proposed Garden Parkway.
This is not right. I hope Bill realizes his good intentions have resulted in a abuse of the public trust.
Do the right thing. Resign Bill.
First of all, the Belmont City Council can't stop the toll road so whether Bill is on the Council or not is irrelevant to that issue. The State is conducting this new traffic study and based on that and other factors the decision will be made to build or not sometime in 2010. And I don't think the Council can bring up a new resolution against the road for at least a year after the previous one for it passed and by then it will be too late. If that is wrong someone please correct me. But the bottom line is the Council can't stop the road.

Second of all, Bill hasn't broken any rules according to what I've read and been told. I read in a earlier post by Mr. Dixon I believe that a person only has to live in the city limits for 30 days prior to the election and if Bill is indeed living in the house in the city limits he entitled to run.

Finally, the rules need to be rewritten anyway. The Belmont City Council votes on issues that affect residents outside of the city limits so why shouldn't those residents be allowed to run and/or vote. This is irrelevant to this election but it should be changed in the future. If voters outside the city limits could vote Dick and Charlie wouldn't stand a chance after their stance on the road. And I hope that holds true for the residents inside the city. I didn't hear a single town resident supporting the road before the public comment period ended yet both Dick and Charlie supported it. I hope the residents hold them accountable.

Bill is a smart guy with some good ideas for our town and as I said before he can't save his house and hasn't broken any rules so if he stands for the things you stand for vote for him. The same goes for the other candidates.
Petruchio

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If the local populace do not support the road then the road isn't built. This is according to the NC Toll Authority's Legislation, and verbally reiterated by them.

Without a referendum, then local politicians are the next logical "voice" of the people's wishes.

Its important because the toll road depends upon local usage for revenues.

The council does have any authority with the Authority other than that.

The entire point should be annexed way before the other side of the river.

Kinda hard for the Authority and Hoyle to say we want the road when our council says we don't.

But the road is a mute point. All toll roads are a mute point at this time.

Not just Belmont, but the rest of the country as well.

Belmont started a national fire.

AS intended.

But it ain't the last.
Petruchio

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And another end is the MPO way of doing things.

Those little fiefdoms are gone for good.

Boyz, we ain;t playing this time.

Never again.

Its all coming home to roost. The roads, the banks, the non-profits and all the back-room operators.

Hunt'em down like dogs.

Seditious Dogs.
Irl Dixon

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RulesAreRules wrote:
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First of all, the Belmont City Council can't stop the toll road so whether Bill is on the Council or not is irrelevant to that issue. The State is conducting this new traffic study and based on that and other factors the decision will be made to build or not sometime in 2010. And I don't think the Council can bring up a new resolution against the road for at least a year after the previous one for it passed and by then it will be too late. If that is wrong someone please correct me. But the bottom line is the Council can't stop the road.
Second of all, Bill hasn't broken any rules according to what I've read and been told. I read in a earlier post by Mr. Dixon I believe that a person only has to live in the city limits for 30 days prior to the election and if Bill is indeed living in the house in the city limits he entitled to run.
Finally, the rules need to be rewritten anyway. The Belmont City Council votes on issues that affect residents outside of the city limits so why shouldn't those residents be allowed to run and/or vote. This is irrelevant to this election but it should be changed in the future. If voters outside the city limits could vote Dick and Charlie wouldn't stand a chance after their stance on the road. And I hope that holds true for the residents inside the city. I didn't hear a single town resident supporting the road before the public comment period ended yet both Dick and Charlie supported it. I hope the residents hold them accountable.
Bill is a smart guy with some good ideas for our town and as I said before he can't save his house and hasn't broken any rules so if he stands for the things you stand for vote for him. The same goes for the other candidates.
The reason the people outside Belmont can't vote in our elections, is because they don't pay city taxes on their primary residences. I will gladly allow anyone willing to pay city taxes the opportunity to vote in our election. If you don't pay, you can't have a say. Sorry.
The Observer

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Goooooooooooooooooo Bill. Belmont needs you desperately.

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Irl Dixon wrote:
<quoted text>The reason the people outside Belmont can't vote in our elections, is because they don't pay city taxes on their primary residences. I will gladly allow anyone willing to pay city taxes the opportunity to vote in our election. If you don't pay, you can't have a say. Sorry.
What if they have other real property in Belmont, such as rental homes or businesses - would that count or does it have to be their primary residence?

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Oct 26, 2009
 
Are the taxes collected from a rental property somehow differen from thoes of a primary residence. Money is money. NO?
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Are the taxes collected from a rental property somehow differen from thoes of a primary residence. Money is money. NO?
Come on!!! If I own property in 50 counties and 100 cities in the nation does that give me the right to vote in every election held?

THROW ME FREAKIN BONE PEOPLE!!!
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Bill might be an alright guy but I don't want any more liberal minded democrats in government!

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crackerjack wrote:
Bill might be an alright guy but I don't want any more liberal minded democrats in government!
I concur.
Petruchio

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I don't want any more liberal minded democrats?

I didn't know they had any liberal minded democrats on council. He is the first.

The others are so crusty, they crunch when they walk.

Let's get somebody who will stay awake for the whole meeting? how about that?
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