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pipedream

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Feb 10, 2013
 
Perhaps Really is struggling to fit all of this about fuel tax and car registration tax increases into another right-wing generated conspiracy blaming Democrats, unions, and left leaning families and workers. In any case Really seems very confused.
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Feb 10, 2013
 
pipedream wrote:
Perhaps Really is struggling to fit all of this about fuel tax and car registration tax increases into another right-wing generated conspiracy blaming Democrats, unions, and left leaning families and workers. In any case Really seems very confused.
Still missing your meds I see. You and SIB should get together...you both spew nonsense.
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Really wrote:
<quoted text>Still missing your meds I see. You and SIB should get together...you both spew nonsense.
We're spewing nonsense when it's more important to you where the accuracy came from than it being accurate? okay....

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I find it odd that liberals are whining about Snyder's small tax increase to repair our roads, but yet they have no problem with Obama'a proposed tax increase on the middle class to pay for his spending binge.
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I find it odd that liberals are whining about Snyder's small tax increase to repair our roads, but yet they have no problem with Obama'a proposed tax increase on the middle class to pay for his spending binge.
That's where these threads get so messed up. I started this one. The entire purpose was to so you conservatives that for all your blustering about how it's the Liberals/Democrats/Progressive s that are the tax and spenders it just isn't the way it is. I have posted innumerable times the Conservatives/Teapublicans are as quick to tax and spend, grown the size of government and it's scope whenever they believe it's beneficial to them. And then blame it on the other side.

And apparently you missed the part where he wants to raise your vehicle registration fess $120 per vehicle per year. For just one of mine that's $224 per year. Now not everyone is going to be able to come up that kind of a raise easily.

Especially when the Republicans have already given business in MI a $2billion per year tax cut. So when there comes a budget shortfall because of it it's rectify the shortfall by going after everybody else.

We shall see how many businesses come rushing into Michigan just chomping at the bit to create all those jobs. But then when it doesn't happen somehow they'll find a way to blame it on the Democrats.
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Gville Jim wrote:
I find it odd that liberals are whining about Snyder's small tax increase to repair our roads, but yet they have no problem with Obama'a proposed tax increase on the middle class to pay for his spending binge.
What spending binge o'wise one? Tell us how Obama Administration is on a spending binge and do so with credible and verifiable data and facts. Show us how he compares in spending to his predecessor Bush II or even Reagan.
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<quoted text>Still missing your meds I see. You and SIB should get together...you both spew nonsense.
Show us the nonsense, genius. Show us how smart and wise you are.
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pipedream wrote:
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Show us the nonsense, genius. Show us how smart and wise you are.
To quote SIB, "no need to bother since you don't and won't understand anyway."
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<quoted text>To quote SIB, "no need to bother since you don't and won't understand anyway."
Don't drag me into your inability to back up what you say. I don't do it to you and it is surely shows your lack of character to be doing it to me.
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#53
Feb 11, 2013
 
http://americablog.com/2013/02/citigroup-taxe... These people need skin in the game or should be cut off from taxpayer funds forever.
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Feb 11, 2013
 
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Yes! I had a very real problem with some of it. Perhaps though not in what you mean by it. So please be more precise on what you are referring to in Obama's stimulus package.
Are you talking about the auto bail out that provisions were made in it that that money was to be paid back to the tax payers with interest? Are you talking about TARP, which was instituted by Bush?
Are you talking about cash for clunkers that was intended only to reduce the number of used cars out there so more new cars would be sold?
What Obama stimulus are you referring to?
Sorry, I didn't see your response, Seen It Before. Let's start with this:

One, we were told if Congress approved Obama's plan, unemployment would not rise above 8.0 percent and they published a chart predicting it would drop below 6.0 percent sometime in 2012.

Well, Congress approved Obama's stimulus plan (which the Congressional Budget Office estimates cost $831 billion), and we are now in the second quarter of 2012. What has happened to unemployment?

In February 2009, when Obama signed the stimulus, unemployment spiked to 8.3 percent. Since then, it has never dropped below 8.0 percent.

After the second quarter of 2012, the year Romer and Bernstein predicted unemployment would be drop below 6 percent. It now stands at 8.1 percent.

Two, in the second quarter of 2012, CBO estimates, somewhere between 200,000 to 1.2 million people have jobs they otherwise would not have were it not for the stimulus. Assuming, optimistically, that the number is 1.2 million, that means each of those jobs cost taxpayers $692,500.

As time goes on, the maximum number of jobs sustained by Obama's stimulus will decline rapidly. By the first quarter of 2013, it will sustain between 100,000 and 600,000 jobs, says CBO. If it is 600,000, each of those jobs will have cost taxpayers $1,385,000. By the fourth quarter of 2013, the maximum number of jobs it sustains will be 400,000 at a cost to taxpayers of $2,077,500 per job.

With all due respect to predicting the future, the auto industry/unions payoff, as well as political fuzzy math, I hardly think an $800 billion dollar taxpayer fleecing called "stimulus" was anything to be thankful about.

Now, I'm of the opinion that had McCain been elected he too would have been persuaded to come up with his own stimulus plan, paid for off the credit cards of our kids' wallets. So this is not just some "I hate Obama because he's a black man" comment.

My original point stands, we need to gain control over our politicians' spending, and we need to do it as a people and not as democrats vs republicans.
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Linda wrote:
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Oh now your looking at character!! Ha, ha, ha!! Lol!! You are such a fool!!
And that's been the full extent of your contribution to anything. But then you don't think. Just seek attention hiding behind anonymity. And I think it's horribly pathetic. Not funny.
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And that's been the full extent of your contribution to anything. But then you don't think. Just seek attention hiding behind anonymity. And I think it's horribly pathetic. Not funny.
Its some 15 year old kid, and you're right, who's seeking attention and hiding behind anonymity. Has been playing games using multiple IDs, including other people's names, and posting garbage on topix forums for a couple years now.
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Linda or Phil

Just run along. There's nothing here for you. You never have anything worthwhile to say and its obvious your biggest problem is that you don't have enough to do do. And yes, SIB is right. That is pathetic.
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Sorry, I didn't see your response, Seen It Before. Let's start with this:
One, we were told if Congress approved Obama's plan, unemployment would not rise above 8.0 percent and they published a chart predicting it would drop below 6.0 percent sometime in 2012.
Well, Congress approved Obama's stimulus plan (which the Congressional Budget Office estimates cost $831 billion), and we are now in the second quarter of 2012. What has happened to unemployment?
In February 2009, when Obama signed the stimulus, unemployment spiked to 8.3 percent. Since then, it has never dropped below 8.0 percent.
After the second quarter of 2012, the year Romer and Bernstein predicted unemployment would be drop below 6 percent. It now stands at 8.1 percent.
Two, in the second quarter of 2012, CBO estimates, somewhere between 200,000 to 1.2 million people have jobs they otherwise would not have were it not for the stimulus. Assuming, optimistically, that the number is 1.2 million, that means each of those jobs cost taxpayers $692,500.
As time goes on, the maximum number of jobs sustained by Obama's stimulus will decline rapidly. By the first quarter of 2013, it will sustain between 100,000 and 600,000 jobs, says CBO. If it is 600,000, each of those jobs will have cost taxpayers $1,385,000. By the fourth quarter of 2013, the maximum number of jobs it sustains will be 400,000 at a cost to taxpayers of $2,077,500 per job.
With all due respect to predicting the future, the auto industry/unions payoff, as well as political fuzzy math, I hardly think an $800 billion dollar taxpayer fleecing called "stimulus" was anything to be thankful about.
Now, I'm of the opinion that had McCain been elected he too would have been persuaded to come up with his own stimulus plan, paid for off the credit cards of our kids' wallets. So this is not just some "I hate Obama because he's a black man" comment.
My original point stands, we need to gain control over our politicians' spending, and we need to do it as a people and not as democrats vs republicans.
I don't disagree with your premise. Obama didn't predicate the stimulus money paid out to the private sector must be repaid if the intended result did not materialize. Instead the private sector companies were trusted to use the money as stated intent. They didn't. They lined their pockets with it.

Isn't it disjointed conceptions to believe on one hand the government should stay out of the business of business but with the other hand expect government should somehow be creating jobs? And to believe when the government does hand out tax payer money for the private sector to create those jobs, they accept it and only add it to their profit margins it's the government at fault.

Don't get that wrong. I do blame the government for handing out the money with no absolute provisions it will be used as intended or else. And repaid with interest once recovery has been realized.

That $800billion, wasn't that TARP? TARP was Bush's gift to the financial sector to keep them from imploding along with the global fiscal calamity they caused. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/26/business/ec...

The auto bailout was $25billion and required to be paid back with interest.

We are not going to get control over our politicians and their spending UNTIL the People rise up in unison and demand the end of government belongs to the highest bidder and change the laws and rulings that have made it so.
Phil

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#61
Feb 11, 2013
 
What is Louis a Snyder is a little Jew boy and I don't wanna go up there with Seymour because I need send me he be up there and I'll throw to him a little hobby shop with that boy that says left car battery up at Yes going a little wig Wham Hannah Phyllis and furious Uptown by Waterford said he wouldn't go can I tell you that I don't know when I don't know cos little Jason Jason what's up with Jason and I told him Jason.
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SeenItBefore wrote:
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And that's been the full extent of your contribution to anything. But then you don't think. Just seek attention hiding behind anonymity. And I think it's horribly pathetic. Not funny.
Whatever you say Jason. If there was any doubt that you were in a beautiful black person with your abusive commentary Jason now we know what the truth is about you.
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I don't disagree with your premise. Obama didn't predicate the stimulus money paid out to the private sector must be repaid if the intended result did not materialize. Instead the private sector companies were trusted to use the money as stated intent. They didn't. They lined their pockets with it.
Isn't it disjointed conceptions to believe on one hand the government should stay out of the business of business but with the other hand expect government should somehow be creating jobs? And to believe when the government does hand out tax payer money for the private sector to create those jobs, they accept it and only add it to their profit margins it's the government at fault.
Don't get that wrong. I do blame the government for handing out the money with no absolute provisions it will be used as intended or else. And repaid with interest once recovery has been realized.
That $800billion, wasn't that TARP? TARP was Bush's gift to the financial sector to keep them from imploding along with the global fiscal calamity they caused. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/26/business/ec...
The auto bailout was $25billion and required to be paid back with interest.
We are not going to get control over our politicians and their spending UNTIL the People rise up in unison and demand the end of government belongs to the highest bidder and change the laws and rulings that have made it so.
I can tell you most of the criticism Obama receives regarding his complete failure to deliver on his campaign promises about jobs and the economy is simply because he's the one telling us government can and will create jobs. I sure didn't buy it, but clearly enough voters did. Many of these same voters are now claiming Obama has no control over such things, while a few short years ago they were wailing like babies and insisting somehow Bush had control over these things.

The 800 billion was taken and delivered under Obama's watch, therefore it can't very well be considered Bush's. I don't play the "blame Bush" game very well. It's a game many liberals have taken to use as yet another excuse for Obama's failures. Bush had plenty of his own faults, but so does Obama. They both wasted billions of dollars on our credit cards, drug us into numerous battle grounds that cost thousands of American and civilian lives, and enacted ill-conceived policies. In the end they've destroyed far more than they've delivered in regards to jobs and the economy. I look at Bush and Obama as more the same than different, and I see nothing that tells me Obama has any intentions or ability to change his ways.

The fact American voters are still fighting over left vs right, my team is better than your team, and seeing the same political names circle the bowl over and over again without demanding an end of it, is why we keep getting the same results.

I guess we have to ride out this unprecedented devotion to Obama, because those that support him seem incapable of recognizing he's simply a more progressive version of Bush, the guy they hated so damned much, and will forever think he's some kind of great leader despite all facts and reality. Maybe it's because he's black, or that he's just polarized us so much. I don't claim to know. One thing is certain, you're not going to get the same number of devotees coming out to elect a saggy old white Hillary if that's the path the left chooses, so maybe then it will be about content of heart and policy and not so much about skin color and social pet projects. Maybe then we can get back to working on jobs and the economy.

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And apparently you missed the part where he wants to raise your vehicle registration fess $120 per vehicle per year.
Your whining about $120.00?
You do know that those registration fees are deductable right?
That $120 is small change compared to having to buy a new rim, tire, and get a front end allignment just because you hit a pot hole.
$120 per year, and your whining about that?
Give me a break!
Thats $10.00 per month! Big deal.
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Gville Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Your whining about $120.00?
You do know that those registration fees are deductable right?
That $120 is small change compared to having to buy a new rim, tire, and get a front end allignment just because you hit a pot hole.
$120 per year, and your whining about that?
Give me a break!
Thats $10.00 per month! Big deal.
I'm not whining about it. But then I'm not the only one that lives in this state. There is no doubt in my mind that that could be a breaking point for some. That $10.00 could mean that much less gas, combined with the increases in gas taxes, they need to get back and forth to their overpaid jobs you claim there are so many of.

And as far as it being deductible, that doesn't come till the first quarter of the following year.

The lack of empathy always amazes me. Yet you freak out that companies have to pay taxes. Astounding.

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