Former Island Pond church teacher get...

Former Island Pond church teacher gets time served in sex case

There are 21 comments on the Boston.com story from Sep 24, 2007, titled Former Island Pond church teacher gets time served in sex case. In it, Boston.com reports that:

“If you violate the terms and conditions of your probation and you come back before me”

Molested as a child, a 23-year-old man wept in court Monday as he confronted the former church teacher who abused him when he was 11, telling him: "Don't you ever do it to anyone else." John W. Thomas, 37, of ... via Boston.com

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Anonymous

Phillips, WI

#1 Sep 26, 2007
I would like to object to inaccurate information being reported in the following article and ask that you follow up with additional research to see if your claims are correct.
Former Island Pond church teacher gets time served in sex case
By Dave Gram, Associated Press Writer  |  September 24, 2007
The article states that:“John W. Thomas, 37, of Savoy, Mass., pleaded guilty to molesting two boys in the stockroom and basement of the Simon the Tanner shoe and clothing shop maintained by the Twelve Tribes Community Church.”
This is untrue.
Mr. Thomas agreed to a plea bargain offering 2 counts of lewd and lascivious conduct. He did not admit to inappropriate sexual behavior with the boys. The only thing he admitted to was masturbating in the stock room and having the boys walk in on him. When asked why he was masturbating in the store stockroom, it was because he was a member of the Twelve Tribes. He shared a room with 5 other single men and shared a bathroom with 20-25 other people. Not a lot of room for privacy.

Monday's plea-change hearing in Vermont District Court for Essex County marked the near end of a case that has taken more than a decade to resolve.

Again this is inaccurate. These charges were pressed against Thomas in Jan 2005-more than ten years after the supposed incident occurred. The charges conveniently happened shortly after Thomas filed for child support from his estranged wife, Licorice Melnick, who still resides in the Twelve Tribes and was fighting with Thomas for custody of their two sons. Originally, Melnick had surrendered her sons to Thomas’s care but changed her mind 18 months later after Thomas went after her for child support. She was in contempt of court for not paying child support when the group filed these charges.

The group has a history of evading child support orders and has taken severe steps to avoid doing so based on religious convictions. There premise, however, is that they can not afford to pay child support to all of the children who live outside of the group and have an absent parent within the group.(Child support order is through Greenfield Probate Court in Massachusetts.)
While the two pending counts at Monday's hearing related only to the masturbation incidents, during his statement to the court, M.W. mentioned oral sex, and Judge Thomas Zonay threatened to reject the plea agreement unless Thomas admitted to engaging in it with M.W.
In a tense exchange, Thomas said "I never forced anyone" to have oral sex.
"Do you really believe that an 11-year-old boy can make that decision on his own?" Zonay replied.
Thomas ended up admitting to engaging in oral sex, though not in the context of the charges against him.

Please make it clear that Thomas did not agree to engaging in oral sex with these boys.
anonymous

Belmont, NH

#2 Oct 17, 2007
Give it up John Thomas. We all know that it is you trying to defend yourself. Your address gives you away- the same article makes it clear that you moved to Washburn, WI to live with relatives. Nice try...
a Ponder

Colchester, VT

#3 Oct 30, 2007
Time to spend time mr. You never should get away with this. I have see someone with less of a crime in VT get 15 yrs. You should at lease 25 yrs. Mr. Thomas
atheist

Jericho, VT

#4 Oct 30, 2007
Anyone in the 7 tribes is just a communist in disquise. All the money they make goes into the kitty. It seems as though the women are downtrodden. It's just another brainwash in the name of God. And, just like the Catholic priests who ruined a child in the name of God, this man should be punished, maybe castrated or hung. Sicko.
atheist

Chattanooga, TN

#5 Nov 29, 2007
you are horrible.you'll get your just punishment.
i hate you and everyone that practices these outrages,horrible crimes.....!!! sicko.You are terrible!
Mamabear

Phillips, WI

#6 Jan 4, 2008
I would encourage you to move beyond the unsubstantiated judgement and name-calling. At least get the facts and think critically about the entire situation before you start throwing out your accusations-oh and leave the judgments to God.
atheist wrote:
you are horrible.you'll get your just punishment.
i hate you and everyone that practices these outrages,horrible crimes.....!!! sicko.You are terrible!
Mamabear

Phillips, WI

#7 Jan 4, 2008
Well, I have to say that your ignorance is showing again. First of all, I am not John Thomas. Second of all, I would really encourage you to get the facts. I was there, were you?
anonymous wrote:
Give it up John Thomas. We all know that it is you trying to defend yourself. Your address gives you away- the same article makes it clear that you moved to Washburn, WI to live with relatives. Nice try...
Sad ip res

Colchester, VT

#8 Jan 4, 2008
atheist wrote:
you are horrible.you'll get your just punishment.
i hate you and everyone that practices these outrages,horrible crimes.....!!! sicko.You are terrible!


Chattanooga Tenn? That is where this church group (cult,twelve Tribe)originated from. You must be a relative or an X-Member and I don't blame you for being upset, but why are you an "atheist"? I didn't know there where atheists in the Bible Belt. God is real, and know where you are going when you die.
flatlander

North Kingstown, RI

#9 Jan 5, 2008
Mamabear wrote:
Well, I have to say that your ignorance is showing again. First of all, I am not John Thomas. Second of all, I would really encourage you to get the facts. I was there, were you?<quoted text>
Mamabear, Are you Laura's daughter ?
abcnonymous

Middletown, CT

#10 Oct 18, 2009
twelve tribes is a cult, they travel the us, hunting for their slaves, JOHN SMARTENED UP, LEFT THE TWELVE TRIBES, TOOK HIS CHILDREN AND THIS ANGERED THEM, THEY FOLLOWED HIM AROUND AND SENT OTHER SCUM CULT MEMBERS TO HIS FRIENDS HOMES, THEY PRACTICE CORPRAL PUNISHMENT ON THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN, WATCH THE STORY ABOUT THEM ON DATELINE..
Jose

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#11 Jan 12, 2010
how Can I find this on Dateline?
abcnonymous wrote:
twelve tribes is a cult, they travel the us, hunting for their slaves, JOHN SMARTENED UP, LEFT THE TWELVE TRIBES, TOOK HIS CHILDREN AND THIS ANGERED THEM, THEY FOLLOWED HIM AROUND AND SENT OTHER SCUM CULT MEMBERS TO HIS FRIENDS HOMES, THEY PRACTICE CORPRAL PUNISHMENT ON THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN, WATCH THE STORY ABOUT THEM ON DATELINE..
concerned parent

Mercer, PA

#12 Jan 18, 2010
It's interesting that you would want to "correct" the information and only to confuse and misinform people of the actual facts. I personally lived with you and your then wife licorice in 2004/05. Not only were these allegations brought against you in 2005 outside of the court system. You were actually asked to leave the Twelve Tribes when these incidents came to light. There were cases in Vermont that were brought up and the charges you speak of only took this long to to be brought to court because of a matter of deciding jurisdiction.
So before you get on your high horse and start bad mouthing the mother of John Thomas's children perhaps you should do alot more work on how abused women do act seemingly irrational at times. I personally witnessed how John Thomas was with his wife and it's no wonder she thought she didn't have options when he arrived with the police and took her young son and her nursing baby from her.
Sometimes abused women take a while before they realize they have choices and figure out how to act on what they know is right.
Before you try to misallign the truth consider how long it took to establish jurisdiction and how long it took for those boys to feel safe enough to come forward.
You are only decieving yourself. In the time John Thomas had his boys why don't you explain how it is that his youngest developed a fear of public bathrooms so deep that he goes into convulsions when he enters one. Or why his oldest son would offer his naked hind end to people when they would walk in his room. These two boys have suffered greatly and thanks to their mother have been in therapy and have hopes of a normal life.
good luck with your version of the truth.
1whocares

Leola, PA

#13 Aug 18, 2011
Mamabear wrote:
Well, I have to say that your ignorance is showing again. First of all, I am not John Thomas. Second of all, I would really encourage you to get the facts. I was there, were you?<quoted text>
yes actually I was there. And yes he is guilty.. and yes he molested my child. he is sick.. I knew his wife and she's not in the TT anymore thank God. She's not a vindictive person and was suffering from being an abused wife which lead her to be overly submissive in letting her children go..After regaining her senses and realizing she was not under his control any longer she realized the danger her children were in. The children have since had therapy and help for the abuse they suffered while in his care. Keep going Mamabear but those who need to know the truth do.
lasky

Johnson City, TN

#15 Sep 19, 2011
How about you fine folks? What were you created for? Was there a specific purpose for it? Is God a spirit and did He desire a body to dwell in? Did you ever wonder why we are referred to as vessels and tabernacles in the Bible? Christ in you (The anointing of the Holy Spirit)is the hope of glory, Colossians 1:27. If we are not having this experience, we don't have Him.
"And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us" 1John 3:24
"Hereby know we that we dwell in Him, and He in us, because He hath given us of His Spirit" 1John 4:12.

Why is it important to have His Spirit?

For if you live after the flesh (the inherited and learned habits that are contrary to the heart of our savior) ye shall die; but if you, through the Spirit, mortify (put to death) the deeds (habits) of the body, you shall live.

We are never saved by showing up at a building, putting money in a plate and doing good deeds. It is only by overcoming our natural born and learned ways, and by the Spirit following "The way, The Truth and The Life" are we to enter into the eternal society of God.

"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne" Revelation 3:21

To as many as receive Him (His teachings of the way, the truth, and the life) to them gave He power to become the sons of God". John 1:12
debbieg1969

Cape Coral, FL

#16 Oct 11, 2014
This case was a fraud and lies among the Tribes
So called leaders. Miss Melnick left Mr Thomas
She abandoned her children with their father and he was happily raising them on a farm. The children were very happy and they loved their Abba. The reasons that Mr. Thomas was charged
With this awful crime was because Miss Melnick came back almost 2 years later to reclaim her
Children but Mr Thomas was not letting them go.
They did not know Miss Melnick and some women acting like an attorney made boys from that group tell those lies of so many years ago.
They told the lies cause the members of this malicious group told the Men in this incident
To lie so that Miss Melnick could get Mr. Thomas children. It was the most horrific site. Mr. Thomas
Was found guilty because the CULT had him and several other officials in their pockets. Money is a
Powerful tool that was used in several of these CULT communities to get the officials to look away when charges were brought against them.
Miss Melnick is not to be living with the children
In this CULT and she has ignored the judges
rulings. It is too bad because those beautiful children are living among these liars and sinners
And being tormented with switches that they use
For teaching their idea of right and wrong. Mr.
Thomas and his living family have not seen their
Family for about 10 years and they have no idea
Where they are living with theses so called Gods
Followers.
debbieg1969

Cape Coral, FL

#17 Oct 11, 2014
Mamabear wrote:
Well, I have to say that your ignorance is showing again. First of all, I am not John Thomas. Second of all, I would really encourage you to get the facts. I was there, were you?<quoted text>
. debbieg1969 .you are all liars and yes, you are not to judge, and he did not go to Wisconsin to run away. He was in prisoned for 2 or 3 yrs. so before you flap your lies you should find out the facts. Foolish people. You
Were not there..... But I was.
debbieg1969

Cape Coral, FL

#18 Oct 11, 2014
a Ponder wrote:
Time to spend time mr. You never should get away with this. I have see someone with less of a crime in VT get 15 yrs. You should at lease 25 yrs. Mr. Thomas
Get your facts straight. You do not know what you are flapping your dirty mouth about Get the friggin
Facts before you start stating stupid false lies
debbieg1969

Cape Coral, FL

#19 Oct 11, 2014
atheist wrote:
you are horrible.you'll get your just punishment.
i hate you and everyone that practices these outrages,horrible crimes.....!!! sicko.You are terrible!
Until you get your facts straight then shut up
You are the atheist. Your soul can never be saved.
debbieg1969

Cape Coral, FL

#20 Oct 11, 2014
a Ponder wrote:
Time to spend time mr. You never should get away with this. I have see someone with less of a crime in VT get 15 yrs. You should at lease 25 yrs. Mr. Thomas
You idiots he was punished and sent to prison where more punishment was brought upon him. Get your dirty mind out of the gutter and get the facts before you start flapping your lips. Give it up
Stupid I know you are one of th!
jonp

Henderson, NC

#21 Nov 9, 2014
@debbieg1969: you flap alot.

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